April 04, 2006

Really? Ya think? Incredible insight and way to make it about Chmura. Shouldn't he be getting ready for the prom?

posted by geekyguy at 01:15 AM on April 04, 2006

Oh please geekguy, this wait just proves that Favre is selfish. Favre is hurting his team's chances to go out and get players to actually improve themselves by waiting. This guy is as selfish as TO. Green Bay fans go through this shit every year. "Will he come back or will he retire?" He should have his mind made up a long time ago. If i were manager of the Pack, Id've told him "Look, you have till after the Super Bowl to make up your mind, or otherwise I'm just gonna cut ya." I know that's easier said than done, but its time to move on. Favre has had a Hall of Fame 14 seasons in Green Bay and even won a super bowl. Everybody says they don't wanna see him go out on a 4-12 season. Fuck these people! Anyone remember how Dan Marino went out? Yes he is great and he will be missed if and when he decides to retire, but if he's gonna come back, Aaron Rodgers needs to get out of there. He's just wasting away there when he could be out and maybe making some good contributions to some other team. What did they draft him for if they didn't plan on playing him at all while #4's still there? Let me just say to Favre: "Hey you're great and you will me missed, but its time to move on. Now, please, if ya really want to do what's best for your team, please retire."

posted by headgames at 01:53 AM on April 04, 2006

Wow, you think Chmura's been waiting for a chance on the soapbox long, or what? I wonder if Shaq called Kobe after his "legal troubles"? Somehow I doubt it.

posted by fenriq at 01:59 AM on April 04, 2006

I couldn't believe it...when I was accused of raping my babysitter on the bathroom floor, he never called me or nothin'. And even when it came out that I never raped the seventeen-year-old girl, just fondled her on my bathroom floor and had her rub my crotch in the hot tub, even after I made a point of mentioning her full name in court and on national television during the trial, Brett didn't even come to the big freakin' party my wife and I planned. You know, to celebrate my innocence and all. Yeah, fuck you, Mark.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 05:11 AM on April 04, 2006

Favre didn't have to invite him over for dinner.He should at least called to see how things were going,if you are the team leader and all that.What happened to innocent until proven guilty?I don't believe that shit anyway.It always seems to me that you are guilty until you prove your innocent or the media would not thrive on even the littliest of things such as Clarretts recent fender bender,and what the hell was they doing there anyway,isn't there alot more important things to report in the news!Stick to shit that matters,like our kids dying overseas,instead of a bunch of overpaid cry baby asses.Finally,yes he is holding the team back from maaking important decisions towards the teams future.

posted by heath927 at 06:53 AM on April 04, 2006

Hey, I'm all for the backlash that states that Favre is d-u-n done and that he is felated nightly by the media - but I don't think that this alone makes the opposite true. My god, people, this is Mark Chmura calling him out. Not exactly a first-choice character witness for the prosecution. I'm still willing to bet that Favre is liked by most of his teammates. The T.O. comparison is lazy.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 07:51 AM on April 04, 2006

I like Favre as a quaterback. Huge upside, but the major gambles he takes to produce that huge upside comes with a disastrous downside. Won't touch him in a fantasy league. As far as the article, Favre selfish? No doubt, when last season was over before it was, he should have let the kid have the opportunity to play, dare I suggest . . . start? Heaven forbid Favre to try to help the teams future. But I whole heartedly agree with the majority of the posters, (hi fellow posters!), Chumara questioning anothers character, (sp?), and I should lecture about abstinence from acohol, (for those who don't know me, I shouldn't, wouldn't, and can't).

posted by RedStrike at 08:26 AM on April 04, 2006

Favre along with McNair is at the gulf coast handing out money left and right - selfish? Because of who they are and the spotlight they are in Deanna is able to raise millions for breast cancer awareness - selfish? What has Mark Chmura ever done for the public? I'm glad Favre's main concern is not an organization with multi-million dollar salary caps. The Packers have more money under the cap than any other team with or without Favre, so it's not that big of a deal - they don't want to spend money regardless, which is why they have struggled. Honestly, Favre has not been as effective since Chmura was cut from the team - but more than likely that was due to Holmgren leaving and the heavy use of the double tight end schemes. Favre has said numerous times that he isn't an outspoken guy as far as being the team leader is concerned, however he is a guy that most players love to be around. As far as being selfish?? - Favre has given more to the game of football than anyone else in his time. He has earned his glory from his passion, excitement and toughness. People all over the country have become Favre fans who don't even follow the Packers? Selfish - its not like he's sitting back saying give me more money to play this season. Who would want to rebuild a team at this point of their career, but at the same time how can you give up the thing that you love and that has made you what you are? He just wants to see if the Packers can sign a competetive team or if it is going to be an ego-typical building project. Once he does retire, he could have any brodcast position, coaching job, etc. but do you know what he would like to do? Coach high school football! Selfish??? I think anyone who would compare Favre to TO should be banned from football and beer for an entire season. Sometimes you have to follow the game outside of fantasy stats. There are not enough players that play the game with Favre's passion - can you imagine how much more fun the league would be if there were more players to play that way. These clowns worry more about what to wear after the game, how much money they need to play, or how they are going to celebrate if they score a touchdown. Too many Rod Tidwell's in the NFL. The league needs more players like Favre. He could have up to the Saturday before opening day to decide as far as I am concerned.

posted by krer300 at 09:06 AM on April 04, 2006

The T.O. comparison is lazy Maybe, but how is it wrong? You don't think a comment like "what are they going to do, cut me?" would be plastered on page 1 of ESPN if it came out of Bond's or TO's mouth?

posted by bdaddy at 09:13 AM on April 04, 2006

ever since he threw that pass past the line of scrimmage during the vikings playoff game in the 2004 season I thought it was funny but it really was stupid what has he done he played better later in the season last year so you can't put all the blame on his so called inferior teammates I don't really want to see him retire because I love watching him and I'm a Bears fan! but maybe he should just call it a day because I think the packers are gonna suck next year anyway

posted by luther70 at 09:20 AM on April 04, 2006

The difference is Favre or Bond's are at the end of their careers. They have done their time. TO needs the game more than the game needs him as proven last year. The other thing is Bonds and TO have been outspoken throughout their careers and dug themselves into holes because of it. You don't hear alot from Favre outside of the field, and when you do it's because of a rare occassion the media can pin him in a corner. As usual the media probably turned this against him, because it was probably said in a more comical way, which Favre usually is, and turned into a threat and jab to his team.

posted by krer300 at 09:23 AM on April 04, 2006

Mark Chmura was under the impression that Favre and he were friends. So, a friend flat leaves you without a word when you are going through a difficult time (no matter if it is your own fault), still the friend thing to do is to say that he can't support him through this thing -- at least say something. Anyway, I have no doubt that Favre is a dick. It is difficult to be that successful for so long without it. Michael Jordan was as well, he would yell at his teammates and such. The media is exceptionally forgiving of the things that Favre does, but even more so of his decreasing ability to find success in Green Bay. If you want to throw him under the bus, then talk about how his game does not work when he isn't surrounded by talent that can overcome his mistakes.

posted by bperk at 09:35 AM on April 04, 2006

I think "Selfish" is the wrong word. Favre at least has to use some common sense, or at least some sense of obligation to understand the team needs to move ahead. They have a young, inexperienced QB that needs to prepare for leading an NFL team in the aftermath of Favre's storied career. That's more pressure than can be heaped on him come July. The real fact of the matter is, though, that the Packers are in rebuilding mode. If Favre comes back, what's the outcome? A few good stat games, many interceptions, and, if lucky, a .500 record? His taking so long to make a decision leads me to believe he really doesn't have that burning desire to play anymore, and he should hang 'em up. I, personally, am sick of him holding the entire organization hostage waiting for his decision. The things I admire about pro athletes comprise a list that gets shorter and shorter daily, but I respect those who know when to exit, make their decision, and stick by it. Whether it's Jim Kelly, Barry Sanders, whoever. Quit acting like the entire world revolves around you, Brett, and realize the Packers will go on. As for Chmura, any reporter, radio, whatever, that would be dumb enough to elicit a quote from him should look for another line of work. He has a putrid reputation and zero credibility. He was, however, a great tight end and producer for Favre for years, and Brett probably could have offered him a bit of support during his problems. This doesn't mean he'd have to invite the guy to live in his guest room.

posted by dyams at 09:43 AM on April 04, 2006

If player A makes more than $8.5 million for a year and player B makes less than $400,000 for that same year, player A should not call player B selfish for wanting more money. Javon didn't have one good year, he had a breakout year. And, Favre called him out without ever talking to him. Walker did not hold out and he hadn't missed any required time at that point. So, I don't know how Favre's preemptive move is at all defensible.

posted by bperk at 09:48 AM on April 04, 2006

There is a long way to go before the mess that is the Packers is cleaned up. Chmura at his trial came across as a sleazeball and I can't believe anyone would consider letting him host a talk show unless it was broadcast inside the Wisconsin State Peniteniary walls. As much as I have enjoyed Favre's career exploits, I thought he really looked pretty damn bad last year, "inferior" teammates not withstanding. And leaving your teammates to ponder all off-season whether or not you plan to return is damn sure not showing committment to your teammates, fans, or the organization. Shit or get off the pot, Brett.

posted by mjkredliner at 09:51 AM on April 04, 2006

Yes, Favre is on the downside of his career if he does play, but I would rather watch him at this point of his career than some young talent with half the heart (nothing against Aaron Rodgers because we luckily do not know him yet) or some quarterback that thinks they are a running back because they can't pass. By the way - the "thought to be new era quarterback with all the scrambling and running skills" has still yet to win a Superbowl. He will not do it - but Favre could go to a handfull of teams I can think of and turn them into a Superbowl contender. He is definately not looking for that type of project, but his "depleted skills" are still good enough for it. Face it - we have players that do this in every sport. I wish I would have been lucky enough to be faced with such a difficult decision as these athletes face at the end of a career. I don't believe much respect is lost until you try to come back like Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, etc. I don't hear this debate over Roger Clemens and he does it every year - with the difference being he will pimp himself to any willing team with the big bucks.

posted by krer300 at 10:14 AM on April 04, 2006

Do some of the people in this thread know more than the lawyers, judge, and jury that were involved in trying chmura? if not I feel like people should stop alluding to the idea that Chmura was guilty; for some reason that bugs the shit out of me.

posted by everett at 11:04 AM on April 04, 2006

Chmura got a sympathetic jury, the details of what he did admit to are enough to brand him as some one I would not want my children around , and I personally thought his accuser was far more credible than he. Trying a Packer up there is akin to trying Goebbels in Berlin.

posted by mjkredliner at 11:20 AM on April 04, 2006

Holy Cow!! More Packer homers here than I've seen in a long time. Brett should make up his mind and stop holding the Pack hostage. B.F. knows if he will play this upcoming year already I'm sure, stop the drama already. Mark Chmura is not even worth commenting on.

posted by stockman at 11:28 AM on April 04, 2006

Check out the Bonds thread. Now there is someone that should retire instead of suffer redicule for the remainder of his career. He's still playing to corruptly break some records while Favre could care less about any records. I think Favre should come back and make his own decision to sit out a few starts as Cal Jr. did and show the changing of the guard in Green Bay. I hate to see it but it has to happen - soon. He will always be the greatest in my book regardless of how he retires but that would be ending a great career with class. My money is on Favre eventually starting his own Nascar team - maybe he can team up with Bradshaw. Maybe they could call it Hall of Fame Racing - no -wait -that ones already taken.

posted by krer300 at 11:55 AM on April 04, 2006

Bonds? Who's that? Never heard of him. I'm not listening!!! LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa

posted by commander cody at 12:12 PM on April 04, 2006

This is such a non-story it's remarkable we're talking about it. Chmura, who does not play for the Packers and knows nothing about the situation, calls Favre some names because Favre didn't want to talk to him while he was on trial for raping his babysitter. This is barely more credible than if I called up Wisconsin radio and explained why I thought Bubba Franks was probably a child molester.

posted by fabulon7 at 12:32 PM on April 04, 2006

Chmura is just trying to bring Farve down with his ship. Meanwhile Farve is trying to keep his ship from sinking. Does someone have a couple of Anchors?

posted by putitallin at 12:33 PM on April 04, 2006

What the hell gives someone the right to be selfish? And you may not be aware of this, but the Packers actually paid Favre to play for them! That's right -- he's played in a whole bunch of games in a row, but he also was being monetarily compensated to be in them! Of course, he might have helped Green Bay more by not being in some of them, but that's not important, is it?

posted by wfrazerjr at 12:46 PM on April 04, 2006

Unless of course he wants to come to Detriot and play? We just got rid of a washed up has-been QB (and another one that never-was) and management is always willing to pay for another that won't do us any good.

posted by commander cody at 01:34 PM on April 04, 2006

I know the Bears need him, Lions - absolutely, Vikings - couldn't pass that up, as well as a dozen other teams in the league with subpar quarterbacks. As a Lions fan I'd say absolutely NOT! He's getting too old and he'd cost a lot more then he's worth. I'd rather have Harrington back then a washed up Favre.

posted by commander cody at 03:07 PM on April 04, 2006

Well, supposedly the Jets are under by $14 million. Bring him on over. He couldn't possibly do worse than Vinny, right? And with thier front line it might not take to long for an injury to force BF to retire.

posted by njsk8r20 at 03:33 PM on April 04, 2006

Umm, no way do the Jets want to get somebody old in there who will expect to start. You are absolutely right, bperk. But I was just being sarcastic. Sorry for the confusion. What the Jets really need, oh nevermind, this isn't about the Jets. But if Brett didn't jump on board before the first roster bonus signing date, I can't say he is completely selfish. Yes, he does need to make a decision so the Packers would know what they need to do. At the very least I would like to see him come back in a mentor role for a young QB.

posted by njsk8r20 at 05:00 PM on April 04, 2006

Did he really? Wow, what a jerk. If that is his attitude, and he hasn't made a decision, I would say forget him. Other teams are signing and trading so Green Bay needs to do something besides play a waiting game.

posted by njsk8r20 at 05:27 PM on April 04, 2006

Favre can be summed up in two words: Midlife Crisis. Yeah, I get irritated because he keeps putting off the inevitable, but I do feel for the guy. I think that his head tells him he's done, but his heart tells him to stay. This is all that he knows.

posted by wingnut4life at 06:58 PM on April 04, 2006

he could turn lake water into Schlitz (admittedly not a huge change, rofl call TO whatever you want but a liar hes not. mark, probably isnt either.

posted by p0p3y3 at 07:44 PM on April 04, 2006

call TO whatever you want but a liar hes not. mark, probably isnt either. Might I ask you to connect the 4 million dots between those two trenchant points?

posted by yerfatma at 07:54 PM on April 04, 2006

Jose Conseco had sex with Madonna...Madonna is from Bay City, Michigan...Bay City and other Northern Michigan cities and towns root for Green Bay over the Lions...Favre plays for Green Bay...So there is your Barry Bonds steroid connection! P.S. Kevin Bacon told me this...

posted by wingnut4life at 08:11 PM on April 04, 2006

tron7, that's an interesting quote. Rodgers publicly has his teammate's back, though the actual accusations (selfishness, unwillingness to properly mentor his successor) are completely ignored. Which tells me they may have some truth to them. Sorry chico, I didn't include this part of the quote: “He’s helped me out whenever I’ve had questions. He’s answered every question from me,” Rodgers said. “He’s been above and beyond what I expected from him.” I remember seeing the interview with Rodgers who was pretty adament about Favre being great/helpful/blah blah blah.

posted by tron7 at 11:25 AM on April 05, 2006

Are there any players out there that it says they have to teach in thier contract? For some reason I don't think so, but I could easily be wrong. I haven't had a job yet where it said that in my job description, but it's something you do for the benefit of the "team". And if you don't want to burn a bridge you put in your two weeks notice and train a replacement. Now if Brett said something like, "I'm not a good teacher, that's not something I can do" then I could cut him some slack. But if he said, “he wasn’t being paid to coach” and that “it’s not in his contract to teach” then that makes him a jerk with an attitude problem in my book.

posted by njsk8r20 at 01:04 PM on April 05, 2006

That's fine, tron, but that is not one of the team-first responses. The team-first response is that I will do whatever it takes to help the team win, including helping Rodgers be the best player that he can be. There is a very good chance that he is not a team-first kind of guy because these things are never revealed until what is best for the team diverges from what is best for Favre. The Rodgers thing and the retirement thing may be the first time that it has really happened.

posted by bperk at 02:58 PM on April 05, 2006

I think Favre leting the Packers hang like that is a selfish move. They need an yes or no answer! What is so hard about it? The Packers need just go ahead as if Favre has said no... They are going to need a replacement anyhow!

posted by The Tribster at 08:36 PM on April 06, 2006