04/20/24
January 06, 2006
So long, Blacksburg.: Ron Mexico's little brother gets his walking papers from Virginia Tech after his Gator Bowl fiasco.
posted by The_Black_Hand to football at 04:26 PM - 45 comments
This could get a lot bigger, too, as there are rumors flying around Blacksburg that Virginia Tech Head Coach Frank Beamer knew about Vick's Dec. 17 arrest for driving on an expired or suspended license and kept it from the school administration.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:31 PM on January 06, 2006
Or maybe even arena league.He is a punk.
posted by HOE.O.K. at 04:32 PM on January 06, 2006
It is pretty shocking that he has been thrown off the team considering how talented he is. I guess it was the cumulative effect of his bad press. I doubt it will hurt his long term prospects much. He will just go to a 1-AA team, rack up tons of stats, say the right things, and still get drafted. I can't see anything happening to Beamer. They love him there. He pretty much put them on the map.
posted by bperk at 04:51 PM on January 06, 2006
I'm glad a school is doing the right thing and not giving a free ride to someone who clearly feels a sense of entitlement because he's a good athlete. I think this is an occassion where the glare of media spotlight is a good thing. What did he do to get the unsportsmanlike call in the Gator Bowl? I have to admit the big VT-Louisville match-up had me reaching for the remote and searching for Seinfeld re-runs.
posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 05:18 PM on January 06, 2006
Texan, he basically stomped on the leg of a Louisville defender at the end of a play. It was complete horseshit and should have gotten him thrown out of the game at the time. It was so blatant, Vick didn't even try to act like it was an accident. The funny thing was, it just happened to be when one of the reporters found brother Michael in the stands. RM didn't say anything about it (and maybe he didn't see it), but the announcers were pretty upfront about the severity of it after the mini-interview ended.
posted by wfrazerjr at 05:22 PM on January 06, 2006
he basically stomped on the leg of a Louisville defender at the end of a play More precisely, the back of the knee. He then walked off as the guy was writhing in pain.
posted by sad_otter at 05:24 PM on January 06, 2006
Dirty bastard. Thanks for the info wfrazierjr and sad otter.
posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 05:29 PM on January 06, 2006
That stomp was probably worth about 10 million in lost wages and endorsment deals..ouch that really hurts! No draft no signing bonus no Vick brothers memorabilia..dooh! Maybe a one-year deal for league minimum with a few incentives, maybe nothing. I wonder what his major was? ( hahaha )
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 05:35 PM on January 06, 2006
I'm a VT alum and happy to see this shiftless dude get shifted. No amount of talent excuses his behavior, and they did the right thing.
posted by wolfdog at 05:46 PM on January 06, 2006
God, PLEASE don't put us through more Vick hype regarding this clown possibly going to the NFL. We still haven't fully settled the Michael Vick argument with regards to whether or not he's a legit quarterback.
posted by dyams at 06:09 PM on January 06, 2006
I'd like to see an end to the constant "financial analysis" of college sporting events I see on SpoFi. I'm not talking about serious analysis, just knee-jerk armchair-sports-agent reaction to on-the-field bungles. "Leinart lost X million, Bush lost XX million, Vick lost XX million!" File under: I don't care. If they're any good, they'll make it back. (And probably blow most of it in the long run anyway.)
posted by Venicemenace at 06:28 PM on January 06, 2006
We still haven't fully settled the Michael Vick argument with regards to whether or not he's a legit quarterback. Right now he's not. He's inconsistent and doesn't know how to lead a team. Oh, he runs well, but defenses know him now, and how to defend against his rushing ability. After that, he can't pass, fumbles a lot, and doesn't know how to stay in the pocket. Maybe in a few years, if he learns to pass the ball and limit his running, he might be a good quarterback. But if he keeps running against defenses, he won't last long enough to become a good quarterback. Right now he's overrated and reads his own press clippings and hype. Hopefully he'll morph into a solid QB. But he's not there yet.
posted by roberts at 07:09 PM on January 06, 2006
Hey sad_otter thanks for the video. My cousin didn't see the game and wanted to see the little punk throw a tantrum. I'm sure we'll all see again on Saturday's press conferrence.
posted by fan in the 209 at 08:14 PM on January 06, 2006
wow, thanks for the video link sad_otter. talk about a cheap shot! i, for one, want to see this guy in the nfl so he can take a legit crushing by someone like simeon rice or dwight freeney.
posted by ninjavshippo at 08:17 PM on January 06, 2006
The other Vick is a tough act to follow, that should be enough, but to hamstring my own career with some very immature decisions (off the field and on) . . . I don't know. Marcus' stock, which were already falling, has just plummetted. However, as with T.O., Terry Glenn, and other bad seeds who've paved the way for players to play despite embarrassing behavior, the NFL will find a way to suit this guy up. Now is the time for heavy-duty clauses which punish - and incentives which reward - particular behaviors. Seeing as these kids are coming into the league younger, less mature, and simply unable to live life on life's terms, somebody's gotta help 'em grow the f*%# up!!!
posted by babooze808 at 08:42 PM on January 06, 2006
Sad Otter, Thanks for the video. I did not get to watch the game. I have seen alot of dirty stuff, but that is unbelievable. I praise the decision of VT. First because Marcus Vick is a punk and deserves to be behind bars, not taking up a scholarship spot that could go to an athlete who appreciates the opportunity. Second because this will show the younger kids that it doesn't matter who you are, you are not above the rules. Great job Beamer and VT. As for Vick, The Longest Yard is not real. They don't actually make movies about real prison quarterbacks.
posted by mcstan13 at 08:47 PM on January 06, 2006
Marcus Vick deserved what he got. What a jerk. There's no excuse for stomping on someone like that. What really perplexed me though was that the announcers on the game just overlooked it when it happened and didn't say much. It was also pretty ironic that they were doing an interview with Michael Vick when Marcus did it.
posted by garnet&blackattack at 09:04 PM on January 06, 2006
garnet&blackattack, didn't you watch or shall I say listen to the game.the announcers did comment on the cheap shot and they said that it should have gotten him (Vick) ejected.
posted by fan in the 209 at 11:40 PM on January 06, 2006
Oh, come off it. He doesn't belong behind bars. He just needs to learn sportsmanship before he gets to play big-time football again.
posted by chicobangs at 11:52 PM on January 06, 2006
I think the "behind bars" mention was a reference to some of Mr. Vick's off-the-field transgressions...
posted by sad_otter at 02:07 AM on January 07, 2006
Punk? PrisonQB movies? Behind bars? I should say it was an accident just to piss some of you over reacting scared shitless sissies off. He got caught driving with a suspended license? Oh shit, give his black ass the chair. I also see that this leg stomp gets T.O. an honorable mention on this thread. Did the victim lose his leg or something? Is his career over? Some of you are acting like they had to sew this guys leg back on. Vick is going to play in the league. You dont even get fired from walmart if you get a ticket for driving on a suspended license. Bertuzzi crippled a guy and some of you would argue that his suspension was to long. Stop hating, you look foolish. think the "behind bars" mention was a reference to some of Mr. Vick's off-the-field transgressions... YOU DONT GO TO JAIL FOR DRIVING WITH A SUSPENDED LICENSE M. Clarett steal cellphone-20yrs to life M.Vick suspended license/leg stomp-20yrs to life T.bertuzzi cripple man with blind side attack/end his career- 1 yr suspension from playing a game. Hmm??
posted by RZA at 02:31 AM on January 07, 2006
RZA...you forgot to mention Mo Clarett used a handgun, so the witness claims. It did not sound like anyone had convicted Vick, just that they were glad of the actions of VT suspending him.
posted by uzdoug at 03:34 AM on January 07, 2006
T.bertuzzi cripple man with blind side attack/end his career- 1 yr suspension from playing a game. Hmm?? I agree, Todd Bertuzzi should have gotten a lot more than a "one year suspension" (remember it was a few games because of the lockout) and probation. However, after that video link, I have lost all respect for Marcus Vick. Someone needs to start trying to teach that guy some maturity.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 07:03 AM on January 07, 2006
Marcus Vick is the same caliber idiot as Mike Tyson and Dennis Rodman. Hell, in 5 years or so it wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that they were all living in the same refrigerator packing crate under an overpass in Detroit or some other shithole.
posted by jm_mosier at 07:11 AM on January 07, 2006
Now that Marcus Mexico has a little down time till he resumes his playing career, maybe he should hook up with Mo Clarrett for some advise on how to kill some time till football calls again.
posted by Gibbyson at 08:07 AM on January 07, 2006
Marcus Vick's legal problems have all been minor, but they're stacking up -- driving without a license, reckless driving and marijuana possession, serving alcohol to minors. He still doesn't think he did anything wrong by intentionally trying to injure another athlete and lying about it, and will declare for the NFL, where he's just told 32 general managers he's a head case they'll have to babysit. "It's not a big deal," Vick told the Virginian-Pilot. "I'll just move on to the next level, baby."
posted by rcade at 08:08 AM on January 07, 2006
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to play the race card
posted by mick at 10:11 AM on January 07, 2006
This kid is a punk ass, just like his older brother. Like Michael, he will NEVER be a QB in the NFL. He simply doesnt have the talent or tools of the trade. This kid has a lot of growing up to do, both on and off the field. Until then, he will be just another "college athlete" (not pro caliber) who smells the big money in the big leagues, but will never touch it! Speaking of big brother Michael, the sooner the Falcons organization realizes Michael isnt a legit QB, nor will ever be one in the NFL, the sooner the team can move on and be contenders. As for anyone trying to play the race card on this issue.... GO F**K YOURSELF!
posted by CountDracula58 at 11:15 AM on January 07, 2006
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to play the race card Leave it up to RZA and it will come out everytime.
posted by grabofsky74 at 12:03 PM on January 07, 2006
M. Clarett steal cellphone-20yrs to life M.Vick suspended license/leg stomp-20yrs to life T.bertuzzi cripple man with blind side attack/end his career- 1 yr suspension from playing a game. Hmm?? Oh, stop it. Just stop it. If either of those first two crack dreams come to pass, then come back and talk to us. Otherwise, why don't you spend a little time reading what's been written here about Bertuzzi? A lot of us, myself included, strongly expressed the opinion that he should be behind bars -- and, guess what, that's all we can do. We're not the cops, we're not the DA, we're not the judge or the jury or the parole board, and we aren't the ones dealing with any of the above alleged criminal matters. So stop bitching about a "20 years to life" that neither Clarett nor Vick have received.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 01:45 PM on January 07, 2006
Acording to this link Marcus is going to enter the draft.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 02:11 PM on January 07, 2006
Just heard he declared for the draft. No surprise there. Here's a link to the announcement. Interesting to hear Kiper saying he lacks maturity (ya think!) but his passing mechcanics are better than Michaels. As if that's hard to do. Kiper went on to say he won't go the 1st day. I gotta believe there is a team out there willing to think they can handle this guy's attitude. He'll make his $ but not a mark in the NFL. He pulls that crap on the field in the NFL he is liable to end up with some broken bones. I don't put much credance in his QB ability but he sure looked good against Louisville. To Bad he couldn't let his play speak for itself.
posted by skydivedad at 02:19 PM on January 07, 2006
RZA, I have to know...are you the pot, the kettle, the boy or the wolf? From your comment here and in some other threads, surely one of these generalizations applies. And please, don't come back with some mixed-marriage-I-know-how-they-feel bullshit.
posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 03:35 PM on January 07, 2006
I'd like to see an end to the constant "financial analysis" of college sporting events I see on SpoFi. I'm not talking about serious analysis, just knee-jerk armchair-sports-agent reaction to on-the-field bungles. "Leinart lost X million, Bush lost XX million, Vick lost XX million!" File under: I don't care. If they're any good, they'll make it back. (And probably blow most of it in the long run anyway.) Marcus Vick is a good passer..better than his brother. He needs to generate an income like anyone else. Professional football is his best opportunity. First round draft picks historically get more money than the undrafted. Advertizers love gimmicks and promotional tie-ins.(ie Vick brothers cough drops), they hate controversy. Michael Vick would be crazy not to distance himself from his brother at least professionally. Most sports fans like statistical evidence. So "seriously" I figure about $10,000,000.00. I think that this is where the punishment fits the crime.
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 04:33 PM on January 07, 2006
Cry Cry Cry, How dare he. I wasnt the one mentioning prison. And i wasnt the first to pull the card of some of these idiots mentioning he belongs in prison. Oh, come off it. He doesn't belong behind bars. He just needs to learn sportsmanship before he gets to play big-time football again. posted by chicobangs at 11:52 PM CST on January 6 If some of you fell that he does belong in prison maybe you should debate it with chicobangs. Texan, are you the grand dragon, the skinhead or the nazi? Never tell me how to respond. Its only going to get you exactly what you dont want. You're posting without a damn clue as to what happened: What did he do to get the unsportsmanlike call in the Gator Bowl? I have to admit the big VT-Louisville match-up had me reaching for the remote and searching for Seinfeld re-runs. posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 5:18 PM CST on January 6 wfrazerjr offers his opinion and view point: Texan, he basically stomped on the leg of a Louisville defender at the end of a play. It was complete horseshit and should have gotten him thrown out of the game at the time. It was so blatant, Vick didn't even try to act like it was an accident. posted by wfrazerjr at 5:22 PM CST on January 6 then you post again: Dirty bastard. Thanks for the info wfrazierjr and sad otter. posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 5:29 PM CST on January 6 So you form some "yea lets get him" opinion. Then you tell me what "not" to come back with? Are you fucking serious? You obviously didnt even read the link. If you have no thoughts of your own, why the fuck are posting? Just to be in agreement with someone? Atleast my thoughts are my own. Dont fucking post based on someone elses view point. That adds nothing to this place. Then actually have the fucking nerve to tell someone what and what not to "come back with". Next you'll get someone elses quips, act like its your own, and hope someone says your a funny guy. Not enough attention at home i see. Im not implying he did nothing wrong, im implying that as usual there is the over reaction when it comes to a black athlete, like mentioning prison, welfare, or other black men, mike tyson, dennis rodman etc. If you dont think it has racial overtones you are either a racist yourself or your an idiot. LBB, your comment is basically the same as mine. Give me a fucking break. Mentioning prison? What the hell is wrong with some of you? I make my comment in sarcasm because someone mentions prison. And you say im bitching? The bitching is all the people before me making comments as if the guy that got stomped on is their uncle or something. They want to retaliate on Vick almost like he started a family feud in a trailer park. Some of you take my comments so personal. It shows that you indeed view this as some sort of "oneside vs. the other" type setting. i.e. a "white vs. black" thing maybe. I point out that some people are over reacting, i also point out that people are mentioning other black athletes (T.O. , Terry Glenn, Tyson, Rodman) And i point out that people are calling Detroit and citys like it "shitholes". Marcus Vick is the same caliber idiot as Mike Tyson and Dennis Rodman. Hell, in 5 years or so it wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that they were all living in the same refrigerator packing crate under an overpass in Detroit or some other shithole. posted by jm_mosier at 7:11 AM CST on January 7 You read a comment like this, and then claim im playing the race card. What the fuck does the above comment mean to you? we're not the judge or the jury or the parole board, and we aren't the ones dealing with any of the above alleged criminal matters posted by lil_brown_bat at 1:45 PM CST on January 7 Then why do some of you act like the previous mentioned court authorities everytime you comment? This kid did something stupid and hes off the team for it. But thats not enough. Some want prison, others want no chance at a career. Some want him to try this in the NFL so he can have his bones broken. You're hate is for naught. Stop complaining. I cant wait to see who reads all this. Haters.
posted by RZA at 05:39 PM on January 07, 2006
Not everyone is against you RZA. Everyone here admits there are stupid people out there who say stupid things. Not everyone on this site is like that and not everyone on this site is out to get you. The bitching is all the people before me making comments as if the guy that got stomped on is their uncle or something. They want to retaliate on Vick almost like he started a family feud in a trailer park. posted by RZA at 5:39 PM CST on January 7 You sir are taking this as a personal attack on you. I don't think what he did was right and it wasn't my uncle but you sir are not Vick. Why do we have to have sides at all. You claim everyone is taking sides. Some of you take my comments so personal. It shows that you indeed view this as some sort of "oneside vs. the other" type setting. i.e. a "white vs. black" thing maybe. posted by RZA at 5:39 PM CST on January 7 Then you call the people who are reading this haters... I cant wait to see who reads all this. Haters. posted by RZA at 5:39 PM CST on January 7 I am reading this and I am not a hater, nor am I trying to get on anyone's good side. Half the time on this site people are on your side you just don't see it. Don't be guilty of what you claim we are and group us all together.
posted by skydivemom at 06:40 PM on January 07, 2006
Another thing, I think you are just looking for a fight. You only post on the negative threads. Why not completely stand up for your race (as you claim you are doing) and post on the positive ones too.
posted by skydivemom at 07:09 PM on January 07, 2006
Yay for skydivemom!
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 07:30 PM on January 07, 2006
Not everyone is against you RZA. Everyone here admits there are stupid people out there who say stupid things. Not everyone on this site is like that and not everyone on this site is out to get you. You're wasting your time. He's been told that, over and over and over again. He still insists that we're all The Enemy. Makes me wonder if, despite all the hard-knocks credentials that he's paraded, he's forgotten what a real enemy is. There's no point trying to reason with this guy; he doesn't want to listen to reason, and at this point I'm becoming convinced that he's just a big ol' troll.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 08:20 PM on January 07, 2006
Has it crossed your mind that blacks may not need or want you to come to their rescue? Do you have any idea how condescending it is for you to assume that role? Before you start implying another person practices racism, The natural progression of the extremist veiw point is a tendency to become what it opposes.
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 12:47 AM on January 08, 2006
I deleted the last round of race-baiting and debating. Things are getting too personal, and I'd like everyone to cool off before someone loses a calf.
posted by rcade at 12:59 AM on January 08, 2006
Did someone mention TO?
posted by irunfromclones at 01:08 AM on January 08, 2006
Locker Room discussion.
posted by rcade at 07:54 AM on January 08, 2006
Yeah. This is sad. He deserved it, though. Too many bush-league plays and a serious discipline problem. Good on VT for doing the right thing, even if it meant kicking a talented marquee guy off the team. We'll be seeing him in the CFL shortly, I reckon.