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September 18, 2006
Lions' Roy Williams says "score means nothing": ... even though those wacky NFL rules suggest otherwise.
posted by littleLebowski to football at 02:02 PM - 34 comments
a) now I have to pull for the Detroit Tigers - you HAVE to feel sorry for fans that have to put up with this b) I'm ticked I wasted my time feeling sorry for Mike, when he got caught up in the Clarett/NCAA/Supreme Court debacle c) I could care less about end-zone celebrations ... these first-down shenanigans have got to go. And a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty isn't enough - I'm talkin' 25 yards plus having to serving time as the net that place-kickers use to warm-up (that means You, Chad Johnson, Kelly Washington, and any Browns players that want to lower themselves to that level ... as if that game wasn't hard enough to watch) But, seriously, I'd love to see rules enforced against this.
posted by littleLebowski at 02:12 PM on September 18, 2006
Will you just shut your mouth and play football! I am getting tired of these players making promises that the team obviously can't keep. Oh, and the TD celebrations are fine by me. It is just big kids having fun.
posted by kidrayter2005 at 02:19 PM on September 18, 2006
I'm not a big fan of celebrating first downs and sacks. It's not like he never made a first down before. I'm sure he's scored a touchdown before too. I forgot who it was, but a coach once said to act like you've been there before. Do you think there is a connect between acting like an ass on the field and acting like one off the field too?
posted by dbt302 at 02:21 PM on September 18, 2006
Keep them coming, fellas! I will never get tired of these players making promises that the team obviously can't keep. Oh, and the TD celebrations are fine by me. It is just big kids having fun.
posted by chicobangs at 02:23 PM on September 18, 2006
I could care less about end-zone celebrations ... these first-down shenanigans have got to go. I completey agree. I also don't mind the end-zone celebrations because you can't win unless you score, period. But, when players start flopping after every tackle in celebration and do that, "Arrow! FIRST DOWN!" think every time it gets excessive.
posted by jmd82 at 02:24 PM on September 18, 2006
Hey, if you're a lions fan, first downs is all you have to celebrate.
posted by Bill Lumbergh at 02:26 PM on September 18, 2006
Lions' Roy Williams says "score means nothing" Chicago Bears defence says "Roy Williams means nothing."
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 02:33 PM on September 18, 2006
Is this Joey Part II? Roy and the rest of the gang should shut up and put up. Harrington tried to stay positive while losing but at least he didn't give the other team bulletin board material. They are so bad, it's fun to watch.
posted by drose92264 at 02:38 PM on September 18, 2006
If you are the Lions and you are down big, you have to keep hyped when you score to try to keep the momentum going. Defensive players do it all the time after a big moment. I appreciate the passion exhibited by such celebrations.
posted by bperk at 02:40 PM on September 18, 2006
I'm not a big fan of celebrating first downs and sacks. It's not like he never made a first down before. I was watching a game this weekend, can't remember which one. The picked up 7 or 8 yeards on first down and then was hit fairly hard by a DB for the stop. The DB jumped up and was doing some stupid dance and celebration, AFTER A 7 YARD GAIN. Who cares if they are driving down the field so long as I look good when I finally do make the tackle.
posted by scottypup at 03:03 PM on September 18, 2006
I am glad that their are players with the leadership and character that make me proud to be an NFL fan (read down to the "other facts" about Lott's finger). And of course I am glad that their are arrogant idiots like Roy Williams that give me villians to root against, especially since this ass-clown is out 2-4 weeks with a broken finger.
posted by kyrilmitch_76 at 03:38 PM on September 18, 2006
I like Roy Williams, but his mouth needs to stop writing checks that his team can't cash. I am a diehard Detroit fan, no doubt about it. But I'm tired of the talk (especially when it's not backed up) and I want to see results. As for the inset about Mike Williams, I want to see him play. I gave him a free pass last year because he needed to figure out how to read the playbook. I want to see if he's any better. Something is still going on in that locker room, and it needs to be taken care of ASAP.
posted by wingnut4life at 03:53 PM on September 18, 2006
Harrington tried to stay positive while losing but at least he didn't give the other team bulletin board material That may be true drose92264, but I honestly believe that Harrington wasn't the reason why they've been non-contenders for all these years. Players like Roy Williams can cause so much drama that the teams moral along with season, may just go down the drain with crap like this (Look at the Eagles last year!). He's not helping the Detiot Lions, he's just trying to shine the spotlight on himself. It really doesn't matter what any of us may think or say anyways. How much did Matt Millen pay to have this guy on his team again?
posted by BornIcon at 03:58 PM on September 18, 2006
Once again it comes back to leadership. As long as Matt Millen is running this team they will never get any credibility or any better. There is obviously no discipline from him or the coaching staff about players running their mouth to the media. Roy Williams is a nobody,and until someone lets him know that, things will not change. I am so glad that I got rid of my season tickets when Barry Sanders retired!
posted by muggsy at 04:05 PM on September 18, 2006
He should just shut the fuck up He alone lost to the Bears last week just kidding but we all know I'm really not you know how chicago is cursed anyhow GO BEARS What the hell? As for Mike Williams, I agree with wingnut. I don't want to see another draft choice go down the drain. If he has problems please somebody clear them up, since I sure would like to see him play at least once this year.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 04:06 PM on September 18, 2006
Muggsy brings up a good point. Where the hell is Millen and Marrinelli when this idiot continues to say stupid shit. Fine him. Bench him. Do something. This guy is an embarassment to a team that is already morally dejected. If nothing else, his teammates should beat the hell out of him. I'm thinking bars of soap wrapped in bath towels. What's that called?
posted by willthrill72 at 04:12 PM on September 18, 2006
I sure miss the class act players like Walter Peyton. No dance, no theatrics, no shooting off at the mouth, he would just score and hand the ball to the official. Some players can just let their playing do their talking. I suppose if you are on the Detroit Lions you might just have to find something trivial to celebrate, since you won't be playing in the playoffs. Come to think of it a first down is a big deal to them.
posted by Atheist at 04:28 PM on September 18, 2006
In his defense (and an admittedly weak one at that) He did say they would win "if [they] did what [they're] supposed to."
posted by IRUNNIKE87 at 04:34 PM on September 18, 2006
Oh, and it's called a "blanket party," willthrill.
posted by IRUNNIKE87 at 04:35 PM on September 18, 2006
He should just shut the fuck up He alone lost to the Bears last week just kidding but we all know I'm really not you know how chicago is cursed anyhow GO BEARS Dude, if that's the best you can do, please, just stop posting. Seriously. My IQ dropped 5 points trying to decipher that gibberish. You just embarrassed every Bears fan on this site with that troglodyte post. Take a few minutes and read this before you touch the keyboard again. willthrill72, it's called a blanket party, and it ain't pretty.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:43 PM on September 18, 2006
We have a flag, number 11, Detroit, illegal motion of the mouth. What an idiot!! I'm a life long Lions fan, and they always seem to fail to live up to expectations, but this over promising and under delivering is so far beyond old that I'm pulling out the little hair I have left. Somebody, please muzzle this moron (and I don't think we can wait for Millen or any of the coaching staff to do it).
posted by ctal1999 at 06:32 PM on September 18, 2006
Hey if he makes enough guarantees then he might eventually be right about one of them.
posted by LaKeR4LiFe at 06:33 PM on September 18, 2006
that is exactly why the lions suck!they have a guy more concerned about being "exciting" than winning.message to the other roy williams:the score is the only thing that matters.I get so sick of people acting like they won the superbowl after making a simple play.thats your job,do it.
posted by mars1 at 08:34 PM on September 18, 2006
I have seen a lot of bad teams. I saw the lions play the bears last year. I thought that was the worst team I ever saw. This years lions team was a joke. Actually Kitna played a decent game. I have never seen so many flags on one team in my life. It that a sign of poor coaching? Bad draft picks? I ca tell you that the lions will be bad for a lond time
posted by whodat at 08:38 PM on September 18, 2006
that is exactly why the lions suck! No it's not. The Lions don't suck because one guy talks smack to the media. They suck because from the head office through the coaching staff to every unit on the field, they're just not very good. Roy Williams shooting his mouth off, on the list of things wrong with the Lions, doesn't even make the top fifty.
posted by chicobangs at 08:49 PM on September 18, 2006
wow, lots of action here. oh, I agree with the black hand, Luther, I've been a Bears fan my whole life and you do give us a black eye when you post garbage like this. Please, I'm certainly no prude but let's grow up a little. As to celebrations, a simple spike of the ball after a TD, ok. First downs, tackles, sacks, how about a high five, fist tap or pat on the back? Otherwise, last time I looked, it is their job to acheive those goals. Or am I missing something?
posted by hoglegs69 at 08:59 PM on September 18, 2006
Remember Barry Sanders. Run tackled hand the ball to the ref. Touchdown hand the ball to the ref. Saw Marvin Harrison on Sunday nice catch, toss the ball to the ref, get ready for the next play. The great ones don't need to celebrate. They let their plays speak for them. These young guns need to learn that from them.
posted by coach at 09:44 PM on September 18, 2006
The great ones don't need to celebrate. Yet most great ones do. Funny, huh?
posted by justgary at 10:04 PM on September 18, 2006
Blanket party. That's right. When I was typing that earlier I was totally thinking of the scene in Full Metal Jacket.
posted by willthrill72 at 10:22 PM on September 18, 2006
"I forgot who it was, but a coach once said to act like you've been there before." It was Paul Brown. The fact of the matter is if Chad Johnson didn't make an ass of himself, the media wouldn't notice him. How much did anyone think about Joe Horn before the "Cell" incedent, or TO pre-Sharpie? Anyway, it's big buisness, and guys are dong what they can to get noticed. Since traditional media will heap praise on your play so long as they know your name, the idea is just to get name recognition... After that they'll just figure you must be good... Everyone's heard of you. Quick question, who here has heard about Billy "White-Shoes" Johnson? Who's heard of Charles Taylor? It may suck, but unfortunately the hot dogs get the cheese.
posted by LostInDaJungle at 10:42 AM on September 20, 2006
The fact of the matter is if Chad Johnson didn't make an ass of himself, the media wouldn't notice him. First, we were talking about Roy Williams, not Chad Johnson. People would notice Chad anyway since he is one of the best receivers in the league. Quick question, who here has heard about Billy "White-Shoes" Johnson? Who's heard of Charles Taylor? It may suck, but unfortunately the hot dogs get the cheese. Who has heard of Jerry Rice? Who has heard of Marvin Harrison? Who has heard of Barry Sanders? These are all great players that everyone has heard of without TD celebrations.
posted by bperk at 10:59 AM on September 20, 2006
Actually, long before I knew Terrell Owens as a "look at me" type, I knew him as the guy who made an incredible catch at the goal line, then got pummelled into the endzone to win a playoff game vs. the Packers. I may be in the minority here, but I also thought Joe Horn was one of the better recievers in the league at least a year or two before he pulled the cell phone stunt. I'm just sayin'...we aren't all sheep, y'know.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 06:17 AM on September 21, 2006
TBH, you're right on. Showboating simply says, "I'm not sure my talent is enough to speak for itself, so I gotta do something else to attract attention". IMO, most of the players who are really secure in their abilities display the attitude of, "I'm gonna do my level best, and if that's not good enough for you...well, that's just too bad for you, now isn't it"? Admittedly, that's not true in all cases. We all have egos, and some of the showboaters really are great players who are hungry for more and more attention at any cost. I just prefer the ones who choose to feed their egos on the recognition by others of how classy they are rather than on how big a spectacle they can engineer.
posted by ctal1999 at 10:38 AM on September 21, 2006
"You can all run with this: We will win the [next] game," he told reporters. "I don't care who it's against. We will win the game as long as we do what we're supposed to do. That's my comment for the whole week." It may be just me, but I don't think it looks real good when you issue another guarentee that is almost identical to the first one, after your guarentee is wrong and your team plays like miserable little shits (a.k.a. typical Lions football). Of course, it is always good to be optomistic. The Lions improved on their point production from week one to week two. In the last game against Dallas they may actually manage three touchdowns.