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May 15, 2006
Miami Signs Marcus Vick: Just keep him away from Ricky Williams.
posted by chemwizBsquared to football at 10:36 PM - 45 comments
uh...the only way Marcus will be a better QB than Michael is if he gets on the field...and the younger Vick has to leap a 'gimpy' Dante Culpepper AND (yeah, I say this with a snicker) Joey Harrington. That should give him a 10% chance at playing...about 10% more than he had at Virginia Tech coming into this year.
posted by chemwizBsquared at 11:05 PM on May 15, 2006
As a "wide receiver-quarterback-specialist", I doubt he'll be a better quarterback than his brother anytime soon. Being a better quarterback than Michael wouldn't take much in the estimation of more then a few. Michael Vick needs to concentrate on becoming a more winning quarterback, his style of play wins fans but not games.
posted by geekyguy at 12:31 AM on May 16, 2006
First Ricky Williams and now Mucus Vicks. Man The Dolphins just won't learn will they.
posted by The Toz at 01:02 AM on May 16, 2006
yeah....the dolphins are the only nfl team to sign players with legal problems. ray lewis come to mind>? michael irvin??? corey dillon?> shall i go on?
posted by tommybiden at 01:24 AM on May 16, 2006
ray lewis come to mind>? michael irvin??? corey dillon?> shall i go on? I don't know where you're getting your info from, tommytrump. Ray Lewis never played for the Dolphins. Neither did Corey Dillon or Michael Irvin. Lewis and Irvin did play for the Miami Hurricanes in college, though. Dillon played for the Washington Huskies. ????>??>?>?>>>??
posted by wingnut4life at 01:39 AM on May 16, 2006
Good for Marcus. I don't know where you're getting your info from, tommytrump. Ray Lewis never played for the Dolphins. Neither did Corey Dillon or Michael Irvin Tommy is clearly trying to say, other teams sign players w/ problems. Like the ones he listed, and the teams they play on.
posted by BigSpizznizzle at 01:59 AM on May 16, 2006
I guess the slash position is such a fashion must-have this year that teams will sign anyone to fill the role. The East is packed with them. The Jets have Brad Smith, we've got Cleatus Vick, the Pats have whoever Billy chooses to play at wide receiver/cornerback this year and the Bills have, uhh, JP Losman, playing QB/waterboy.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 06:05 AM on May 16, 2006
The Dolphins are the leagues new Raiders, pretty soon they will start signing all the wife beaters and other legal problems. Marcus Vick at QB? I don't think so, too short, too stupid. As far as Ricky, does it really matter? He's out the entire year, he will be doin bong hits and eating Hostess fruit pies on Sunday.
posted by lightman at 06:53 AM on May 16, 2006
Give the kid a break,but as soon as his past transgression shows it's ugly head cut it. He could trun his life around but it's up to him!
posted by Gullahnative at 07:41 AM on May 16, 2006
Just goes to show you that if you have pro athletic talent somebody will take a chance on you, & will overlook past "troubles" I was kind of hoping that no one would take a chance on this kid, he would sit out a year & finally “get it” I hope now that he does not further stain the Dolphins, the NFL & the Vick name & does get it!
posted by directpressure at 07:50 AM on May 16, 2006
marcus vick? i didn't know isiah thomas took a job with the dolphins.
posted by ksb122 at 08:14 AM on May 16, 2006
marcus is a great player, and hes not the only atr with problems in this league(hes not a star yet,but he will be), he could either end up being another maurice clarette, or a ray lewis, i think hyell be grat, a better passer than his borther, but noty a better all around player or leader, so just give him a break!!!!(oh yea, if his name was manning or elway, would we evn be having this discussion)
posted by buettner09 at 08:24 AM on May 16, 2006
Give him a break?? Does he really deserve a break?? I think we all know the answer to that!! We all know what he tried to break. And about Manning & Elway, what does that have to do with it? Somebody always has to play the race card don't they?????
posted by Buckfever14 at 08:41 AM on May 16, 2006
i think it is a big mistake.we certainly have much level headed youngsters in the college league that will take less time in learning moral and more time spending watching football plays
posted by poda72 at 09:02 AM on May 16, 2006
Buckfever14 No one played the race card. Please lets have a decent conversation and not start something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
posted by Folkways at 09:03 AM on May 16, 2006
If Marcus stays out of trouble, then Miami got a QB project with tons of talent, and they can take their time about developing him. If Marcus gets into trouble, Miami cuts him. He probably has a small contract, so very little risk for Miami. I was kind of hoping that no one would take a chance on this kid, he would sit out a year & finally “get it” Marcus has been kicked out of school and gone undrafted, then had to try out with Miami to get a contract. If all of that doesn't help him learn his lesson, then sitting out a year (or more likely playing in the CFL for a year) probably wouldn't either.
posted by bperk at 09:19 AM on May 16, 2006
Wow, I'm incredibly impressed at the reaction here. Marcus Vick is an undrafted rookie and will likely have zero influence in the locker room. Ricky Williams gave the Dolphins a great season last year, and if the reports I read were correct, did not fall to the same troubles that plagued him before. The Dolphins have clearly shown themselves willing to take chances (trading for a "damaged" quarterback and one that wishes he had that excuse) and Vick is the least of those. As was said, the contract is likely dirt cheap and Saban would not hesitate to cut him. I foresee him being used as a Randle El-esque player to exploit his excellent athleticism, and not as much as a QB.
posted by PublicUrinal at 10:00 AM on May 16, 2006
scarcasm my wingnut friend. ALL NFL teams have hired players with criminal records and legal difficulties. marcus vick is just the latest, and won't be the last. there are players who have been charged with murder and drug trafficking working in the league. vick's problem is chicken feed compared to them!
posted by tommybiden at 10:39 AM on May 16, 2006
Understood, tommytrump. I'm going on my fourth twelve hour shift in a row, and I'm just a wee little bit tired. My bad...
posted by wingnut4life at 10:45 AM on May 16, 2006
WARNING WARNING WARNING MOM's & DAD's LOCK UP your daughters. MARCUS VICK has been seen in the MIAMI area.
posted by bruinboy at 11:35 AM on May 16, 2006
chris carter was an alcholic. but he found jesus and became one of the greatest receivers of all time. marcus vick needs jesus
posted by jesusfreak at 11:50 AM on May 16, 2006
Can Jesus throw the 15 yard out?
posted by Mr Bismarck at 11:58 AM on May 16, 2006
that might be the 2nd stupidest comment i've ever seen on here. that ranks with adelman/hitler on the stupid scale. he needs to look after himself. he needs to be an adult.
posted by tommybiden at 12:03 PM on May 16, 2006
his hands have nevr recovered from the nailing...he can't grip the ball i don't think.
posted by tommybiden at 12:06 PM on May 16, 2006
I don't like the guy at all, but I understand the move. It's a low-risk move for the Dolphins, if Vick works out to his potential, he's a steal, if he doesn't and/or screws up, he's cut.
posted by uglatto at 12:40 PM on May 16, 2006
The Dolphins are the new Raiders. Unfortunately for them some of their troubled talent, isn't all that talented. Culpepper stunk with Minnesota, wich was exponentially improved with Brad Johnson. I doubt he will be better with the Dolphins. Harrington may have possibilities since Detroit gave him little to work with. Marcus Vick is nothing but trouble. Ricky Williams is great but only plays 10% of the games due to violations of the drug policy. Since quarterback controversy does little to help a team, I think Miami should keep Harrington and give him an opportunity, with their rookie drafted QB as a back up, and trade Williams, Culpepper, and Vick for one decent reliable running back.
posted by Atheist at 12:40 PM on May 16, 2006
Leaving aside Culpepper stinking, Fanball points out that over the past three seasons Harrington has completed 56.1% of his passes, for 48 scores and 46 interceptions. In the same period, the Dolphins collective passers hit on 54.2% of their passes, for 58 scores and 61 interceptions. So we'll throw the net pretty wide - the "stinker", the bust and the character issues, the German and the Lemon. Can you throw the ball? If so, give Saban a call.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 12:56 PM on May 16, 2006
Atheist, I watched nearly all of the Vikings games last year and I honestly believe Culpepper's woes in Minnesota last season were largely a product of change. He lost his top wideout (Moss), offensive coordinator (Linehan), and saw the line fall apart before him (most notably in the loss of Pro-Bowler Matt Birk). The reason Brad Johnson looked better is because the defense/special teams stepped up an incredible deal, putting less pressure on him. Culpepper was in the same situation as Favre last year, where he simply did not have the players around him to do a good job. Certainly Favre has lost a little of his step, but when your team is down and lacks the talent (and the offensive line factors a lot into that) you're prone to force the ball in hope that you can get even a tiny spark going, and oftentimes that leads to an interception. With the Vikings defense/special teams stepping it up and with the line doing an incredibly better job as they meshed with time, Johnson certainly looked to be a better QB. But let us not forget that Pep is one season removed from an incredible year despite a hobbled and sometimes inactive #84. How he recovers from the injury is a huge question mark, but if he can come back to being close to what the was, the Dolphins got a steal. Also, I think there is no controversy at all here, the Dolphins seem to have made it clear that Pep is their top option with Harrington as a backup that will start until Culpepper is healed. Vick also does not factor into this equation at all; if the Dolphins considered him a realistic shot at even the immediate backup QB spot, he would have been drafted. As for the decent, reliable running back, Brown did more than a serviceable job for a first-year back.
posted by PublicUrinal at 01:08 PM on May 16, 2006
i fell everyone desirves a chance to proove there potentail so i say give him a chance he dont make it you cut him just like the eagles did with owens that sould be the dolphins way of thinking going into this year with vick.
posted by cdavis8338 at 01:16 PM on May 16, 2006
Culpepper stunk with Minnesota Right, except for the other years where he . . . how to put it . . . didn't.
posted by yerfatma at 01:34 PM on May 16, 2006
posted by Grrrlacher at 01:44 PM on May 16, 2006
marcus vick is a great football. he just needs to mature more
posted by T.MAY at 01:58 PM on May 16, 2006
Do we know he's a great football? (Player?) Or are we assuming his potential because of his brother?
posted by chicobangs at 02:06 PM on May 16, 2006
coming soon to miami.....Ramonce Taylor
posted by cowboyfan82 at 02:42 PM on May 16, 2006
"Vick hands-off to Williams......." "Williams leans left, leans right......, pulls his lighter and sparks that J." But wait, there's a flag on the play. "We have a dumb-ass draft on the Dolphins. That will be an automatic headache from the point of the foul. The penalty will be assessed on the kickoff."
posted by Bill Lumbergh at 02:42 PM on May 16, 2006
To Public Urinal - I'm glad that you are on here posting your well thought out comments. It seems like almost everyone else is not doing the research, or is going with what first comes to mind, or just wants to blurb out some garbage. Daunte Culpepper is only two years removed from an MVP-like season (only P. Manning's stats kept Culpepper from winning the MVP). And NO, Moss' departure had none or very little effect on his bad stats last year. Harrington will do much better with an O-line that will block and a better supporting cast. Miami's "gamble" on Vick is not a gamble! Saban has made it very clear that if he phucks up just a little, he's gone!
posted by BigTallChris at 02:56 PM on May 16, 2006
I heard an interview with Frank Beamer, during last season. He said that Marcus was the most talented QB he'd ever coached. When asked who's arm was better, his or Michael's he said without a doubt, Marcus'. Makes me wonder why he's being looked at as a slash type player. We don't know if he'll ever be a great football (player), but I'll take Beamer's word that he is indeed a talented player.
posted by tselson at 02:57 PM on May 16, 2006
high on talent + little against cap + low tolerance for misbehavior = tremendous opportunity, whether 4th option qb, 3rd option wide receiver, back up extra point holder or otherwise...
posted by MW12 at 04:05 PM on May 16, 2006
20 years ago when a player got his leg stepped on, would it have made the 5-o-clock news? No because we didn't have camera's that could read the label on your boxers. There are plenty of "dirty" players out there, in the hall of fame. Football is tough, lets not over sensitize the game. Hockey players fist fight. Give the kid a break!
posted by BigSpizznizzle at 04:25 PM on May 16, 2006
Just a note about Culpepper. One of the reasons he really went down hill was injury. As it is with big strong running QBs, their passing is helped a lot by the threat of them running. Eventually they all get hurt and when their running threat is removed and they are forced to rely on reading the defense and passing their true QB ability or lack of it becomes evident. Come on, the Vikings were dismal and in one week with Johnson turned it completely around and almost went undefeated with the exception of one game. My best guess is Harrington will start and surprise people with a better team around him, Culpepper will never get the starting position away from him and get traded by demand, and if Vick is as good an athlete as they say and stays out of trouble, he will wind up the back up QB, or at another position, or also demand to be traded.
posted by Atheist at 05:23 PM on May 16, 2006
I can't wait to see the new Riverboat scandal.... Ricky Williams, Marcus Vick, and Daunte Culpepper... all on a boat full of booze, weed and loose bitches. lmao....
posted by redsoxrgay at 08:41 PM on May 16, 2006
Of course, Daunte Culpepper had those charges dropped against him because the prosecutor offered no evidence to support the charges, but don't let the facts get in your way.
posted by bperk at 09:39 AM on May 17, 2006
chris carter was an alcholic. but he found jesus and became one of the greatest receivers of all time. marcus vick needs jesus Carter was a halfway decent wide receiver before the epiphany. Jesus had less to do with his ability than his personal code of conduct. I can't wait to see the new Riverboat scandal.... Ricky Williams, Marcus Vick, and Daunte Culpepper... all on a boat full of booze, weed and loose bitches. lmao.... Nice to see you living up to the intellectual standard your nickname set for you. We have a dumb-ass draft on the Dolphins. If they had actually drafted Williams or Vick, you might have a point there.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 10:21 AM on May 18, 2006
I just hope he has a good lawyer on his payroll.......he will need it
posted by megyed at 11:09 PM on May 19, 2006
ricky be comin' to toronto man!! marcus is gonna be a better qb than his bro...and i'm a falcon fan. he was a better passer in college than michael, and more advanced in reading defences.