December 18, 2005

Oh wait, never mind.:

posted by sic to basketball at 09:57 AM - 66 comments

Ron Artest. Great basketball player. Basket case. Would you trade for him?

posted by sic at 09:58 AM on December 18, 2005

If I ran a last place team with no hope I would trade for him. Otherwise there is too much to lose, like your credibility with the players that you keep telling you are going to do what is best for the team.

posted by texoma-slim at 10:50 AM on December 18, 2005

If I didn't have a player who was such a strong leader that he could handle Artest, there's no way in hell I'd take the chance. I honestly don't know who could be that guy - it seems like Shaq gets the necessary respect but Miami doesn't need or want Artest. The Knicks need him but have no leadership whatsoever and have enough trouble on their hands with Stephon. And he's not even crazy.

posted by sakana at 11:15 AM on December 18, 2005

Someone should hit Ron Artest in the face.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 11:44 AM on December 18, 2005

This isnt worth a thread. But hey, we have to have a black athlete thats a little mentally off to bash. i.e TO, Tyson, artest. Or all we would do is sit around and think about what kind of losers we are ourselves. Someone should hit Ron Artest in the face Yea, you. But remember someone tried that with a full cup of beer. All it got him was his friends ass kicked, baned from future piston games and one of his boys in the crowd ran onto the floor and got dropped for his trouble.

posted by RZA at 01:04 PM on December 18, 2005

Come on now RZA. Mentally off or not, when one of the top 10 players in the NBA says he wants to be traded, it's a big story. A trade like that could significantly alter championship possibilities for both teams involved. It's also a big story when that same player suddenly changes his mind. I'm thinking Indiana still trades him. And I'm really hoping it's to Minnesota.

posted by panoptican at 02:08 PM on December 18, 2005

Yea, you. If I could hit his face... I'm only 15.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 02:25 PM on December 18, 2005

Oh wait, never mind. And here I thought this would be a thread about the Colts' perfect season.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 03:28 PM on December 18, 2005

the nba is still playing ball even without mike,larry magic,oscar kareem,pistol jerry, etc so ron artest leaving will not be a factor

posted by par5 at 05:46 PM on December 18, 2005

But hey, we have to have a black athlete thats a little mentally off to bash. i.e TO, Tyson, artest. Or all we would do is sit around and think about what kind of losers we are ourselves. Honestly, RZA, if you think this has a damn thing to do with race, you're not only deluded, you're doing a disservice to actual racism in the world, the country, and sports today. Artest has a history of making a spectacle of himself, be it taking time off during the season to promote an album, bumrushing fans, or demanding trades and then renegging during the season. His entire team is fed up with him. His captain is fed up with him. When the only man defending you is Stephen Jackson, you're in trouble. Face it, the Pacers are one of the five favorites in the league to win the championship this year. When one of their two major components throws a(nother) hissy fit, it's news. When anything happens to disrupt the team, it's news. If it were Jason Williams, or Pau Gasol, or Dirk, or Nash, this would still be news, and worthy of discussion. Race has as much to do with it as I have to do with this year's local Ames, Iowa corn chowder festival. I'm thinking Indiana still trades him. He's left them little choice. The only thing the Pacers can do now is try to get the best they can for him and move on with their season. Rumors abound, from the Clips to the Kings to the Knicks. Time will tell, and probably soon. I honestly hope that Artest can find a good fit for himself (so long as it's not in the Southwest Division). He's a fantastic player to watch on both ends of the court and it'd be a damn shame to see his talent go to waste.

posted by Ufez Jones at 05:46 PM on December 18, 2005

It is damage control. He makes a passing attempt at the appearance of still being a team player while setting himself up to be the victim. "Poor me, they traded me."

posted by geekyguy at 06:14 PM on December 18, 2005

I have to admit that ever since I saw Artest play at St. Johns I've loved his game, but his personality is so volatile I can't imagine a team winning a championship with him. On the other hand I used to think the same thing of Rasheed Wallace. And what about Denis Rodman? Perhaps Phil Jackson, the pre-Laker version of PJ, could have incorporated this guy into his team with relatively little fallout like he did with Rodman, but is there a coach today that could do the same with Artest? Larry Brown? What about the Spurs or Jazz, with their hard nosed coaches? Like Sakana said, maybe a powerful player like Shaq could keep him in line. I suspect that Michael Jordan had something to do with Rodman not totally freaking out when he was on those Bulls championship teams. I'll repeat what Ufez Jones said: it's a shame to see that talent go to waste. thank you moderators for fixing my broken link!

posted by sic at 07:33 PM on December 18, 2005

Ufez Jones, please note elway_fans' comment. Thats what a thread like this opens up. If you want to bash Artest, why not continue posting to the thread that was put up a few days ago? If you dont know that some people (who are not even interested in basketball), are going to join in on bashing this guy because hes' a black man that speaks his mind loudly (no matter how off he is) you my friend are already diluded. I wish more of the racist assholes that post here were as honest as elway_fan. People knew that other thread was about Artest. Thats why most of the veteran members ignored it. Which was a good thing to see. Note Dr. Evans comment. He was disappointed to find this thread about Artest and not the colts. (whether or not he agrees or disagrees with some of the artest bashing here). So with elway_fans comment, do you still think im deluding myself? You probably would. And i dont want to hear shit about "if you dont like a thread dont go to it". How the hell am i suppose to know what this thread is about. Who would guess that there is going to be 15 yr old kids saying "i wish artest would get hit in the face". And then to find adults agreeing with him. Sad sad sad. Sic, i appreciate your lastest comments. They are the type some people like to see. Intelligent, informative and strictly about his playing ability and value to the team. It was just my opinion this subject was just posted (trade either way) and they should have been added to the current Artest thread. Look at the vast world of sport. Not alot of people like to find basically the same topic thread after thread.

posted by RZA at 09:05 PM on December 18, 2005

EVEN if Artest was white I would hate him. But because he is black it makes it easier. HA jackass

posted by mrrocnron at 09:41 PM on December 18, 2005

RZA, take a look for the first comment to mention race in this thread. Yeah, it was you.

posted by geekyguy at 09:56 PM on December 18, 2005

EVEN if Artest was white I would hate him. But because he is black it makes it easier. HA This is the single most offensive comment I have ever seen on SpoFi... You are a fucking moron.

posted by everett at 10:11 PM on December 18, 2005

Artest has game people. Is he a LITTLE off? Sure, but i think Phil could calm him down. Kobe Odem and Artest in the same lineup could be a scary sight western conference.

posted by Fade222 at 10:12 PM on December 18, 2005

Aside from Odom, what do the Lakers have to offer?

posted by panoptican at 10:19 PM on December 18, 2005

These comments about Artest extremely broad in opinion. Let's just get to the bottom line. Ron Artest is a JOKE. He's a worthless piece of garbage. But hey, he's a great player right? Wrong. He is a good player but that doesn't overshadow the fact that he is a crybaby who just wants attention. I mean, what is he thinking? There's no way we're letting him play here anymore. Mel Simon is cutting off this immature jerk. I hope his record label does well because 10 years and 10 trades from now he's gonna be worse off and probably kicking it with Darryl Strawberry and MC Hammer. He probably won't have an agent soon because nobody's gonna want to work with him. I mean I thought Dennis Rodman was bad. At least Dennis Rodman did something really well (rebounding) while respecting his teammates and being somewhat smart. Artest is going nowhere fast and that's what he deserves. That's why he changed his mind and said he wanted to stay. Too bad he sucks at life and will never wear a pacers uniform again, or any other uniform for that matter.

posted by B-Rad jeezy at 12:44 AM on December 19, 2005

Geekyguy, i call them like i see them. For instance, look at the post by B-rad. Notice how he mentions darryl strawberry and mc hammer. He could have compared Artest to john macenroe*(the white tennis player who was the biggest crybaby in sports) or vanilla ice ( vanillia ice was alot worse than hammer). I bring up race because some of these people are to afraid to say how they feel. Note the anger in the post by BRAD. Do you think he hates artest that much becuase of the way he plays? You can tell the difference by the way some of the people post. Look at sakana's post. He/she keeps it entirely in the context of sport and the post is totally relavent to the topic. Now note b-rad jeezy's post. Personal attacts on the mans character, lively hood and the comparison to other not well off african americans. "hes a worthless piece of garbage". "To bad he sucks at life". This coming from B-rad jeezy, americas trailor park representitive. Thank God he'll only be posting until that free trial of AOL he got from walmart expires.

posted by RZA at 04:02 AM on December 19, 2005

I say if your not going to post about athlete's contribution to the game/sport they are involved in, or something positive, why post? posted by RZA at 3:48 PM CST on December 11
Go back to the top. Re-read this entire thread and note the point that it denigrated into a race-based discussion. After RZA brought race into it. In fact, ELWAY_FAN may not have made what is one of the most horrific comments to ever hit SportsFilter if you hadn't come in and pissed in the thread. Enough already. please note that my name is entirely in lowercase. thank you.

posted by geekyguy at 04:41 AM on December 19, 2005

I think Artest heard the rumors of a deal to the Raptors, and suddenly Indianopolis didn't sound so bad. But you're wrong Ron - we'd treat you good up here. We love the hockey player mentality, and welcome a significant amount of violence in our sports. There's plenty of precedent for NHL players to go into the stands and really whomp ass - not that wierdo push-tackle you threw at that guy in Detroit. And with our new and improved hip-hop scene, you're bound to spend quality studio time with some fine musicians. And Hey-zeus Marimba RZA, ever freaking thread is you pontificating about about the thread shouldn't be about race - while managing to make it exactly that. You've been grinding this axe for so long all you've got left is the handle. But that's cool, baby because I love you. And you're not (always) wrong in my book.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:07 AM on December 19, 2005

This coming from B-rad jeezy, americas trailor park representitive. Thank God he'll only be posting until that free trial of AOL he got from walmart expires. you win. discussion over. back to trade analysis. I don't want to see Artest play another game for the Pacers. I'd trade him for a 2nd round pick and cash considerations. Luckily other teams are stupid and we'll get more than that. Pacer's are weak at point guard and center, and Stephon Jackson plays better as a 3 and isn't really a viable 2nd scorer. He's excellent as a 3rd option, and at getting energy buckets. He's a bit streaky, so every once and awhile we can ride him when he gets hot but again, he isn't reliable enough to be the 2nd option on a championship-caliber squad. So, the Pacer's need to either trade for a legitimate second option to replace Artest (tricky, and unlikely), trade for youth/cap space (most likely), or Walsh pulls another miracle and ships off both Artest AND Jackson for a legitimate all-star (pacer fan dreaming). In all likelyhood, the Pacers will win 49-51 games and lose in the second round of the playoffs, which qualifies as a disappointing season given the talent this team has.

posted by chmurray at 09:28 AM on December 19, 2005

The reason I attack Artest personally is because He is a jerk off and that's what's causing the problem. It's not that he sucks at basketball. attacking Artest personally qualifies me as racist and trailor trash? I know for a fact that Artest is gone because I heard it from Simon himself, so if that makes me trailor trash, then you must be heir to bill gates or Larry Ellis. The whole point is that he is immature and incapable of playing the game of basketball without being a jerk to his teammates and his owners, and even his fans. That's why he's going nowhere, not because he's black. A solid, respectable player wouldn't have gotten his teammates into a huge brawl costing them the season.

posted by B-Rad jeezy at 11:16 AM on December 19, 2005

i am proud of what I posted because it pisses off the people the tend to be small minded and only focused on the fact that the Black Man in America is being repressed. Ever heard of affirmitive action RZA?

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 12:55 PM on December 19, 2005

The reason I attack Artest personally is because He is a jerk off And a deity, apparently.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 12:59 PM on December 19, 2005

I never used the the term trailor trash. You use the term piece of garbage, then mentioned a few more african americans. I just pointed it out. Weedy, Im one of the few african americans here. Im tired of seeing these " I hate this black athlete " threads. If it makes a few white people mad along the way, im willing to risk that. I knew another post about Ron Artest would draw people like Elway_fan. So if its out right, or subliminal racism. Im addressing it. And trust me, my ax is plenty sharp. Geekyguy, I'v gotten to much shit about punctuation, grammer and such. Your name was the beginning of my statement, i capitalized it. Nothing personal. And you actually fucking think that people like Elway-fan have racist views because a mixed person says there is underlying rasicm in some of these threads? Yea, and maybe some of my relatives were lynched because they called masa a racist too. Thanks for reminding me about the "shouldnt post unless its positive" comment i made. Its my exact feeling about threads like this in general. It leads back to my original post about people coming to threads like this for a bashing session. "Ron Artest should be hit in the face". Thats the type of BS that this type of thread will draw. My point was there was just a thread about artest to do this in a few fucking days ago. Get it? Do you actually need a black athlete bashing thread every few fucking days? When there is a thread like this, im going to check it. If you dont agree with me, move on. If you see the RZA at the bottom of a thread, skip it. I wont lose sleep.

posted by RZA at 01:04 PM on December 19, 2005

Im sure you have plenty of white pride Elway. I normally wouldnt be drawn into an all out white vs. black debate, but i may be inclined just to see who sides with you. Thank you for affirmitive action. And thanks for the fountains and the seats on the front of the bus. We do be appreciatin it boss.

posted by RZA at 01:13 PM on December 19, 2005

I don't want to see Artest play another game for the Pacers. I'd trade him for a 2nd round pick and cash considerations. Luckily other teams are stupid and we'll get more than that. Wow, good thing you aren't the Pacers GM! Although I understand your frustration, Artest is worth a hell of a lot more than that. Even if a franchise just wanted to attract interest with a spectacle, Artest makes sense from a business aspect. My question is could he be part of a championship team? Again, I point to Rasheed Wallace and Denis Rodman. Can anyone else think of similar type players that were able to win a championship on the right team?

posted by sic at 01:34 PM on December 19, 2005

Thinking about Rodman on the Bulls, I just remembered how much Rodman and Pippen hated each other's guts from way back in the Bad Boys Pistons days. I mean they really hated each other and Rodman routinely tried to injure Pippen during those playoff series back in the late 80s. How Phil Jackson ever got those two to play nice is a total mystery. Still, he also had the MJ factor as well. There was never a player who could will his team to "just play well enough" more effectively than Jordan. On the other hand, I don't think that Kobe and Artest would be a good mix, because they are both problem children.

posted by sic at 01:41 PM on December 19, 2005

And here's some trade speculation

posted by sic at 01:46 PM on December 19, 2005

Im sure you have plenty of white pride Elway. I normally wouldnt be drawn into an all out white vs. black debate, but i may be inclined just to see who sides with you. Like This isn't what you wanted the whole time.

posted by tron7 at 04:14 PM on December 19, 2005

I think I like the laker deal the best overall for both sides. I think they should get maggette though if they want to make a run this year. And I don't think there's anyway they can hold onto him with Jermaine making those kind of comments.

posted by tron7 at 04:20 PM on December 19, 2005

I like the idea of a LA trade as well, but what about Kwame Brown and Deven George for Artest and Croshere?

posted by Fade222 at 04:56 PM on December 19, 2005

Kwame Brown is a bust and George is just average, I would say that Indiana would get screwed on that deal. Artest is a stud, despite all of his emotional baggage. I think Odom would have to be part of that deal for it to be in the ballpark.

posted by sic at 05:45 PM on December 19, 2005

Trouble is if Odom is involved Indiana would have to send another player to make the money work. Players in the $11.5 Mill + 125% +$100 G price range to make a deal work: Bender, Pollard, Jackson, Tinsley, Foster, and Jasikevicius. And Indiana isn't sending Ron, another player and quite possibly cash to get "just" Odom in return.

posted by lilnemo at 05:58 PM on December 19, 2005

"Sure, but i think Phil could calm him down." Riiiiiiiiight, just like Mr. Jackson managed Shaq and Kobe so well in 2004.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 07:01 PM on December 19, 2005

Riiiiiiiiight, just like Mr. Jackson managed Shaq and Kobe so well in 2004. He didn't do too badly from 00-02 did he?

posted by lilnemo at 07:04 PM on December 19, 2005

Hey RZA, I happen to be half and half (white/black) and I am sick and tired of the BLACK man bitching about his place in society. I've had my SHITTY share of people tryn' to hold me down but I do not cry to mommy about it. Now,in hindsight,it looks as though you should sharpen your axe. This feeling is intensified when a piece of shit like Artest has millions of dollars because he plays a game. He also makes people, that look like me, look bad.

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 11:08 PM on December 19, 2005

Elway_fan, if your sorry ass is mixed, then im really the pope. Dont try bullshit damage control now. How the hell does Artest make you look bad? In the eyes of the white man? Give me a break. You certainly wouldnt have waited this long to state that you're mixed. No person of any race would refer to his own race as "the black man". And you certainly wouldnt have made the comment you made early saying "its easier to hate him because he's black". You only want certain people to think you're mixed, because you think that gives you some sort of OK to make a comment like you made. If you are 1/10th black your comments are a disgrace to the entire race. Mentioning strawberry and hammer is even more disgraceful. Its a sad day when you have to pose as another race just because you're afraid of what people might think of your comments. To prove even further that you're not being honest, you dont hear white men here saying, "they hate jeffery dahmer, john wayne gassey, or charles manson because they make the white race look bad. You think by saying you're mixed it will give you a green light to bash the black race any way you feel like it. You probably want to be black. I did notice some jealousy in your comments. Tron, thats your opinion, i take it with a grain of black pepper. Just has you feel thats what i wanted the whole time, I feel a 2nd thread about Artest was encouraging just that. If what im discussing bothers you, why the comment? Did you comment because you feel like you can say whatever you want? Even if the off topic discussion doesnt concern you? Well thats the way i feel. Do you actually have a problem with it?

posted by RZA at 11:47 PM on December 19, 2005

You obviously are a smug piece of shit. Just like Artest, In fact, the 50/50's that i hang with (and we will all fuck you up) would call you a NIGGER even if you wern't black. You probably do not go outside often 'cause the rest of MY community would feel the same way as I do. (North Highlands CA) You would get your ass kicked by every 'Brotha in town.BITCH. The comments were made just to get you angry. Seems my axe is sharper. You give our people something to scoff at.

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 12:01 AM on December 20, 2005

Stop with the racism and the personal attacks, please. Stay on topic and cut the name-calling, or your time here will be very short. If you have something to say to someone personally, take it to email. We don't need this racist testosterone bullshit here.

posted by chicobangs at 12:42 AM on December 20, 2005

Not Racist, just pionting out the facts

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 01:20 AM on December 20, 2005

Calling someone a smug piece of shit and "NIGGER" (even in the "voice" of your friends) is not pointing out facts, it certainly isn't on topic, and it is most definitely by definition racist. Both of you, cut it the fuck out. I don't care who started it. Stay on topic, and take the personal shit to email. This isn't third grade recess.

posted by chicobangs at 01:26 AM on December 20, 2005

My friends are sitting right here.

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 02:02 AM on December 20, 2005

posted by yerfatma at 05:55 AM on December 20, 2005

Dammit, now nobody gets to see my rebuttle(no racism or name calling, but off-topic)

posted by tron7 at 10:30 AM on December 20, 2005

and neither does RZA because he has no email address listed..

posted by tron7 at 10:33 AM on December 20, 2005

Uhgt oh, eminems 3rd cousin is going to drive from CA all the way to philly to kick my ass. I think its a testement to spofi, that those comments remain. I have seen less removed. I certainly can argue with the best of them. But even i wont directly respond to being called nigger here at spofi. Actually i kind of exspected it. Jackass, i wouldnt mind that, sometimes people get emotional. Asshole. I wouldnt mind that, some people cant fully control there emotions when they get worked up about a certain topic. But i will say that if the owner operator of this website was african american, such racially charged comments would have been removed the minute they went up. In fact, i witnessed someone being called gay in a thread, and it was removed the next day. We have chicobangs here threatening to delete accounts if it continues?? Should we assume he works here? And if he does, why do the comments remain? I will say that the "calling me nigger even if i wasnt black" comment thoroughly indicates that he thinks it would be reasonable just because i was black. Spofi? do you support this belief?

posted by RZA at 10:53 AM on December 20, 2005

Tron, your cousin elway fan doesnt have an email address listed either.

posted by RZA at 10:55 AM on December 20, 2005

tron, you got mail.

posted by RZA at 11:03 AM on December 20, 2005

Don't lump me in with that asshole. Cousin huh? I never defended him once and yet you asume we share the sme opinions? Are we all racist because we don't agree with your every comment? I realize your upset but back off. I didn't get my email yet... I can't wait to see what's in it.

posted by tron7 at 11:27 AM on December 20, 2005

Totally, guys stop with the racist stuff and let's focus on the fact that Ron Artest is a douchebag. LOL

posted by B-Rad jeezy at 01:48 PM on December 20, 2005

I'm not threatening anyone, because this is the internet and there's even less point in threatening anyone than if we were all in the same redneck bar at midnight somewhere. But I will say that unlike a lot of other sites where dick size is considered a proper form of argument, this is a volunteer site. Sportsfilter isn't anyone's job. If something hasn't been deleted or fixed up, it often means that the mods are off having "jobs" and "families" and "lives," and don't have time to change diapers in stale bar-fuck threads like these. You know why the mods think they can get away with such hands-off behavior? I'll tell you. It's because people here are expected to act like grownups, not seven-year-olds making up ignorant insults about people they'll never know outside of a ten-character username. But seriously. Are you guys really trying to pick fistfights over the internet? "I'll kick your ass!" "No, I'll kick your ass!" You guys are cute.

posted by chicobangs at 02:56 PM on December 20, 2005

It's always funny when you get a couple of ITGs in the same place and they start showing their ass plumage.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 03:01 PM on December 20, 2005

I think the problem is that Ron Artest was somebody's role model.

posted by mike goodman at 03:44 PM on December 20, 2005

Since it seems that the interest in this thread has waned and because RZA doesn't list an email, I just want to take a moment to say to RZA, that you are a complete and utter tool. The next time I start a thread I'd appreciate it if you don't hijack it to make your uninsightful and trolling arguments about racism. This thread was not about race and you and only you made it about race. Your trolling enabled another troll; you and Elway_fan are exactly the same in my book.

posted by sic at 07:47 AM on December 21, 2005

You better than everyone else, no life having, cant control anythingin your life so you try to impose you will and witt on a fucking website assholes. Since im probably 1 of 4 african americans (and obviously the only 1 that will speak his mind)here. I will not sit by and read these repeated threads about some black athlete that people just dont like. No1 gives a fuck about what any of you low life crackers think about a person thats better of than you in life. Its so obvious that some of you are furious about the way "some" of the african american athletes condcut themselves. So you come to a place like this forum, and cry, cry ,cry. A basketball player asking for a trade is hardly fpp news unless its one of the top 10 players in the league. If john barry or bob sura ask for a trade, it never makes this website as an fpp. But since its a black athlete that most white people dont like, it deserves 2 fpps in 1 week, just so you can make yourselves feel better in life by bashing him. If this was a white player (who averages 19 points per game) this wouldnt have been posted at all, let alone twice. im sick of reading this accepted subliminal form of racism. So everytime i see it, i will address it. Now, normally a thread like this would have been addressed by admin, and the poster would have been advised to just add comments such as these to the current thread running. However, this shit is getting more and more acceptable and some of you know what im saying is partly true if you dont agree with me entirely. Then chico you say not to respond off topic, then you do exactly that. WTF? if you feel strongly about something you can respond, but if its something you dont agree with, you just threaten the persons first ammendment right to say how they feel by saying they will lose their posting ability? SIC? the only interest in this bullshit was to get exactly what you got. Kids and grown ups that act like kids saying they want to "punch artest in the face" and how a coach would "lose" his respectablity if he went after artest. Elway fans attitude and comments speak for themselves. There was enough of this shit on the artest post 4 days ago. Just like there was enough on the first 4 TO bash posts. Noone gives a shit about bashing some black athlete anymore. Except obvioulsy some of the skinhead/klan members here. So with the freqeuncy of the bash the black athlete posts that i see. I will continue to check this bullshit like it or not. My email address is Email away. Whats wrong? You crackers arnt use to a black man speaking up here? Note my posts on the thread about rose, i've shown more than once that i have no problem talking sports. But if its up to me, these racist post are going to slow down if not stop. You want to bash a black man? Go to your local mall and bash the first one you see. Whats the matter? No pc to hide behind? You wont, You,ll just sit there and continue being intimidated. I have a feeling this post will be addressed by admin. But i have a feeling they'll continue to leave the post calling me a nigger up. whats that say about the people who "volunteer" here? Sic, post another "lets bash this black guy some more"thread, consider it hijacked. i dont give a shit how many times you wannabe sports writer half wit clowns, call people names (troll). I wish i was in the locker room the day you assholes thought of that. "hey what can we call someone that "we" think acts like an ass"...."hey, lets say george michael is gay", and then nobody post anymore"!! "No No, thats to long", lets just call them a troll and post a pic of a train wreck" OK OK "thats cool"... yea guys lets all do it. "yeaaaaaa we're cool". But, 2 people that didnt form a click here, that aggressivily disagreed with eachother are 7 year olds? thats just ridiculous. Some of you people live for this shit, i say bash a man to his face. You want to dislay some racism? Do it to a black man when you see him at your local store. otherwise, i will be checking that bullshit here. Delete this free account because you disagree with me, and i'll just start another 1 on 1 of the 65 pc's i repair a day, or on 1 of my laptops with the 8 dial up networks i have access to. thats aprox. 70 different ip. addresses. you cant get rid of me. So begin to chill with most of the racist threads here, or maybe yahoo wont want to offer this forum as a link on their home page options. Believe me they dont want to be linked to anything that has to do with racism this day and age. Media and internet giants shun it like cancer when it might be asscoiated with them, and they shout it to the mountain tops when they hear about it. Even more so when it comes from someone in the entertainment industry. So, either do something about it, or all "bash the black athlete" threads are going to end up just like your poster boy brett farve, in the toilet.

posted by RZA at 06:34 PM on December 21, 2005

I will not sit by and read these repeated threads about some black athlete that people just dont like. Dude, welcome to the internet. Now STFU.

posted by geekyguy at 07:02 PM on December 21, 2005

Hilarious stuff. This is my last post. I stand by the fact that Ron is a total piece of crap. Read sports illustrated archives, and this moron applied for a job at circuit city when playing for the Bulls, just to get the discount (10-15%) Are you kidding me? A millionaire is such a cheap ass that he applies part time just to get a grand knocked off of his purchase? That's the kind of guy we're dealing with here. What a douschebag, lol. Ron Artest is a fucking tool, end of story.

posted by B-Rad jeezy at 08:10 PM on December 21, 2005

Shut me the fuck up, are you kidding. You both are useless, cant you face that. Two whiteboys that wish they were ron artest of all people. Deal with it. if you dont like the words you're seeing close your eyes and dont read them. if artest is a tool, what is your sorry ass. you're on the internet hating and arguing over a millionaire that dont give a shit about your walmalrt, car detailing loser ass. whats that make you? i mean Look at your name "B-RAD JEEZY. LMAO your punk trailor park ass swears your black. keep trying sucker. you might get a walmart promotiom and make enough money to get out of your moms basement "wanna" B rad greasy.

posted by RZA at 12:10 AM on December 22, 2005

i think some one just blew a fuse. can you fix it RZA. you sound like a dork. your a disgrace

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 01:07 AM on December 22, 2005

funny a black man though to be a disgrace by a redneck pabst blue ribbon drinking (half black lmao) white nigger from CA but loves "john elway". Crackers like you make me sick. Actually saying you're half black so no others will call your comments offensive. How does it feel to wannabe? And to know that even ron artest looks like a model citizen compared to your punk ass. Get over the "half black" thing white boy, its to obvious. cracker

posted by RZA at 11:24 AM on December 22, 2005

Hey RZA I was one of the first to call Elway out on his ignorant comment, I think that its innapropriate, and has zero place on a thread like this. I however, think that you are getting away from the point when you comment that simply putting up posts that criticize TO or Ron Artest is a racist act. The fact of the matter is that both of them have been personally responsible for casting an ugly shadow on the sports that the respectively represent. It is not an issue of race, it is an issue of stupidity, which is why I was quick to call Elway fan out. I cannot understand why more people haven't spoken out against him, but I don't think that some of your assumptions are helping the issue any. SpoFi in my experience has been very good about calling stupidity out regardless of race. I will use the recent Pete Rose thread as evidence... I love Pete Rose, Even though he has fucked up, over, and over again. People here really like to bash him though , and hes white!!! Go figure... Its not talking about Black athletes that is the problem, but its rather saying the issue is that theyre black that bothers me.

posted by everett at 03:33 PM on December 22, 2005

Everett, you may have a point , however this ron artest thread came 4 days after a previous artest thread, so i figuerd this all should have been added to the other thread. It just seems if the person in question is black, there seem to be more threads about i.e TO. I'll reffer you to one major example here on spofi. Ron artest is assulted during a game, he doesnt know if more cups of beer are coming at him, so in the confussion he thinks he sees who did it, he goes into the stands to defend himself (at that time he had just been shoved in the face by wallace and he walked away). He gets suspended for a year. Ty domi gets assulted by a fan who accidently falls into the penalty box while leaning on the glass. Was the fan irate and out of control, sure he was. Did he kick the glass out and throw a full plastic cup of beer on ty? no he didnt. ty domi hits him with a few jabs. Nothing came of it at all. Ty was defending himself. Fans run onto the court in detroit, jermaine o'neil defends himself( the same way ty did) he gets criminal charges pressed, fined and suspended from work. Why? explain it? Is fighting ok in a majority white sport because they grow up with violence? No, young black men are suppose to be brought up in a violent culture right? isnt that the stereotype? Why can 2 white men kick the shit out of eachother on national TV in a professional sport (NHL). On some of the same networks that air basketball games. And its ok. TO fights with a former teamate and he should be hung. Jermaine O'Neil does the same exact thing as Ty domi, one gets fined,suspended, charges, the other gets nada. Last but not least i offer these threads. Please note the comments on the thread about the fan running onto the field and taking the ball from bret farve. Notice the majority of the comments(not all) are similar. They all thought that farve or another player should have, blasted,knock down, mame, otherwise bitch slap the idiot that ran onto the field. but in contridiction, observe how harsh the majority of the people here were towards artest and O'neil. Keep in mind, farve never got touched at all with anything. the guy that came at farve wasnt menacing or threatening in anyway. The guys that came on the court in detroit had fists up ready to go. This is what im referring to. some of us are being racists when we dont even know it. Racism is alive and well in america. and its alive and well right here on spofi. I'll list the thread names incase the links dont work. detroit brawl thread additional thread about artest(one wasnt enough like TO threads) Farve thread Note how on the farve thread the majority of posters think a player or security should hammer the guy. On the contrary, majority of posters on both brawl at the palace threads think artest, o'neil and jackson got what they deserved.

posted by RZA at 06:23 AM on December 24, 2005

you sound more racist than the rest of us

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 12:17 PM on January 01, 2006

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