September 16, 2009

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle:

A place to discuss the sports stories that aren't making news, share links that aren't quite front-page material, and diagram plays on your hand. Remember to count to five Mississippi before commenting in anger.

posted by huddle to general at 06:00 AM - 35 comments

The Eagles' Hank Baskett just got released. I'm worried about him not having anything to do with his spare time.

posted by beaverboard at 08:05 AM on September 16, 2009

They might have won the Ashes, but they're shite at the 50 over version of the game. So says the fat blonde guy.

posted by owlhouse at 09:19 AM on September 16, 2009

The Eagles' Hank Baskett just got released. I'm worried about him not having anything to do with his spare time.

Well he has a national tv commercial (DirectTV Sunday Ticket I believe) which shows him dropping a TD pass in slow motion (which I guess is part of the reason he just got released)

posted by bdaddy at 09:20 AM on September 16, 2009

In a rare cross-league marketing effort, the Jays and Yankees provided a preview of the 2009-10 NHL season last night.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:51 AM on September 16, 2009

At least it got a few people interested in a Blue Jays game.

posted by dfleming at 10:33 AM on September 16, 2009

If anyone out there can watch more than one of these 10 sick arm wrestling accidents videos (probably NSFW), you're made of sterner stuff than I am.

I could only watch part of the last one, which blurs out the worst part.

Hold me.

posted by rcade at 10:53 AM on September 16, 2009

The Eagles' Hank Baskett just got released. I'm worried about him not having anything to do with his spare time.

He can always hang out with his missus, Kendra Wilkinson. I wouldn't Google her at work though.

posted by Mr Bismarck at 11:00 AM on September 16, 2009

Dad makes the catch, daughter gives it back.

posted by holden at 11:20 AM on September 16, 2009

Great Ceasars Ghost, rcade! What the hell are you doing (and by that, I mean why the hell did I even bother to click the link)?

I'm eating breakfast!

posted by THX-1138 at 11:22 AM on September 16, 2009

In a rare cross-league marketing effort, the Jays and Yankees provided a preview of the 2009-10 NHL season last night.

I'd like to point out to the Yankee homers announcers that Posada and Carlson did not "kind of clip into each other." Posada went out of his way to make contact.

Minimum five games and a maximum of stupidity on Posada's part.

posted by wfrazerjr at 11:59 AM on September 16, 2009

And holden, that link is awesome. The look on everyone's faces just as they realize she's throwing the ball back is great.

posted by wfrazerjr at 12:12 PM on September 16, 2009

We all have a stake in gender testing of athletes I put the issue this way for a reason failed the female sex test - because the International Association of Athletics Federations's (IAAF) gender verification policy applies only to women's events. Their testing is not designed to determine an athlete's "real" sex, but rather seeks to discover whether a competitor such as Semenya is "enjoying the benefits of natural testosterone predominance normally seen in a male." In essence, to pass the test the competitor must show "female levels of testosterone" (my term).

......

We would be all well advised to pull Donna Haraway's Cyborg Manifesto off the shelf for a re-read. Hathaway's groundbreaking deployment of the "cyborg" challenged naturalist and essentialist notions of "real" women and "real" men by exposing the ways that things considered natural, like human bodies, are not, but are constructed by our ideas about them. These legally and culturally enforced notions of normality are enforced even in a case such as Semenya's whose body and capacities are absolutely part of the natural variation of the species, but who is rendered unnatural and abnormal by virtue of a test that arbitrarily locates her outside the domain of "real women".

To those of you who say: "I don't think it's fair that someone with such high testosterone levels be allowed to compete in the women's track events. What's to stop men from competing in these events and winning all of them?" I have the following answer: Then don't call them women's and men's events, define the events by testosterone levels those with levels up to some ceiling run in one event, those with higher levels run in another event. Collapsing "female" and "male" into testosterone levels is both bad science and bad social policy. Sexual categories are, after all, social and cultural categories, not biological ones.

We all have a stake in Caster Semenya's ongoing treatment. That suspicions about how she looks can lead to having her identity as a "real" woman publically revoked communicates a clear message to all of us who consider ourselves female: Don't talk too loud, don't throw a ball too well, and don't look too comportable in pants or walk with a "masculine gate." And whatever you do, don't look too triumphant when you run really fast. The gender police are out there looking for you.

posted by rumple at 12:13 PM on September 16, 2009

Love the link, Holden. The announcing team and video crew at that game did such a good job on it you'd think it was planned in advance.

posted by rcade at 12:24 PM on September 16, 2009

Thanks Holden - you made my day.

I hope Posada gets a 5 game suspension. It's a long season for a 38 year old catcher. He should take a good rest before entering the post season. Here's hoping it's #27 for the Yanks.

posted by pullmyfinger at 12:30 PM on September 16, 2009

rumple, I read stuff like that, and I just have to shake my head. If the reports about Semenya's internal testes, lack of ovaries and elevated testosterone are true, she was competing with a distinct advantage over her competitors. It's the IAAF's job to ensure that athletes competing as women are actually women.

What is the outcome of the testing? Semenya will likely now receive treatment for something that can apparently be a dangerous condition. A level playing field is restored, and women get to compete against other women. How is that bad for women or women's competition?

Don't talk too loud, don't throw a ball too well, and don't look too comportable in pants or walk with a "masculine gate."

That's just a bunch of bullshit to distract from the facts. Get angry at the South African sports organizations, the IAAF, and her coaches for publicly leaking the story, for crying racism and for considering the health of Semenya last, not for the gender testing.

posted by dusted at 01:16 PM on September 16, 2009

Hockey lost one of its great voices this week as Boston's Fred Cusick, for 40 years the radio and TV broadcaster of the Bruins passed away at the age of 90. A recent interview with him is available here. For those who are interested in hearing samples of his work, here is a compilation of Bobby Orr's greatest moments, circa late 60s and early 70s, all called by Cusick. It's worth watching just to see Orr at his best (and to hear once again the Nutrocker). Finally, here is an appreciation of one professional from another by Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe.

posted by Howard_T at 01:38 PM on September 16, 2009

a compilation of Bobby Orr's greatest moments

Nice tidbit, Howard_T. Gracias.

posted by mjkredliner at 01:57 PM on September 16, 2009

If anyone out there can watch more than one of these 10 sick arm wrestling accidents videos (probably NSFW), you're made of sterner stuff than I am.

After watching Over the Top a few dozen times growing up, those videos have nothing on Stallone's acting.

"Tell you the truth, the truck is, uh, you know, the most important thing for me. I... I don't really... it doesn't matter if I, uh, become the champion or anything. That's, that's not the most important... I... I need this truck"

posted by BornIcon at 02:10 PM on September 16, 2009

Leodis McKelvin's front lawn vandalized following the Bills' loss to New England.

(for those who didn't see it, many people are blaming McKelvin for the loss because he didn't signal for a fair catch on a NE kickoff, got knocked loose of the ball (no butterfingers fumble, that) and gave NE possession in position and with time to score the winning TD)

posted by lil_brown_bat at 02:12 PM on September 16, 2009

...blaming McKelvin for the loss...

This is another illustration why Bill Machiavellichick insists on not always signing the most talented player at any given position, but rather prefers the one with the ability to think and play simultaneously. It would be a no-brainer for most to understand where they are on the field, to recognize that with a lead possession is more important than field position, and act accordingly. It is noteworthy that McKelvin's coach, Dick Jauron, refused to throw him under the bus.

posted by Howard_T at 02:40 PM on September 16, 2009

Just because McKelvin's coach refused to throw him under the bus doesn't relieve him of responsibility for an incredibly stupid play. Anyone who knows the slightest thing about football knows that struggling for an extra yard on a late return almost inevitably leads to a fumble. Sure, running it out was not the worst idea in the world, it could have gotten them past the 2 minute warning; but you've got to go down before the ball can come loose. And frankly, Pats fans are making me semi-nauseous by giving the genius Belichick credit for someone else's stupidity. Get over it Pats fans. You have a great coach. You have a great team. You got incredibly lucky on Monday when the opposition did something really, really stupid. The three can coexist.

posted by tahoemoj at 03:04 PM on September 16, 2009

I 'aint even gonna' say it.

posted by THX-1138 at 03:46 PM on September 16, 2009

It's the IAAF's job to ensure that athletes competing as women are actually women.

dusted, I think the whole part of the argument that you're missing is that what is "actually" a woman (or a man for that matter) is not as clear-cut and binary as has historically been our way of defining it (sex/gender).

Secondly, when it comes to imbalanced hormones in a woman's body, there are incredible risks from an estrogen dominance too.

And finally, if we are going to argue concern for an athlete's (physical) health first ... then we need to REALLY reconsider sport in general.

posted by Spitztengle at 05:24 PM on September 16, 2009

dusted, I think the whole part of the argument that you're missing is that what is "actually" a woman...

I'm not missing it at all: internal testes, no female sex organs. OK, not 100% male, but certainly not a woman.

posted by dusted at 05:40 PM on September 16, 2009

MLS won't play during group stage of 2010 World Cup.

posted by goddam at 06:06 PM on September 16, 2009

OK, not 100% male, but certainly not a woman

I repeat: this relies on a completely out-of-date and inaccurate definition of what ultimately defines who we are as sexed beings.

To quote Dave Zirin, there are (potentially) more "intersexed" people in the United States than Jews. For context, just try telling a Jewish person that they can't compete in the next ______ event. See what kind of response that gets.

posted by Spitztengle at 06:09 PM on September 16, 2009

Sorry, LBB. I missed your post on the vandalism.

posted by rcade at 06:41 PM on September 16, 2009

In rereading Howard's post in relation to my own...um...yeah. Good point. The vandalism was bad, huh?

posted by tahoemoj at 06:50 PM on September 16, 2009

So what is your solution, Spitztengle? What is an up-to-date and accurate definition of male and female? Or do you think that those terms are invalid?

posted by dusted at 07:06 PM on September 16, 2009

male and female (sex) is a biological dichotomy that masks a continuum of variability.

male and female (gender) is a socially constructed dichotomy that also masks a continuum of variability.

Asking for an "up to date and accurate definition of male and female" ignores the underlying truth that a false dichotomy is being imposed on a world that is just not that simple, indeed, it basically calls for the false dichotomy to be replicated again and again, with ever-more rigorous testing and tweaking and poking and so forth. Semenya may be an edge case but does not deserve that kind of humiliation.

My solution to this would be, everyone relax, and learn something about the inherent fuzziness of the world.

posted by rumple at 07:56 PM on September 16, 2009

yeah, what rumple said!

posted by Spitztengle at 12:50 AM on September 17, 2009

My solution to this would be, everyone relax, and learn something about the inherent fuzziness of the world.

That sounds lovely. It really, honestly does. But how does that translate into a fair policy for the IAAF? I can't see how anything less than what they're doing (meaning the testing, not publicizing those tests) will allow women's sports to continue.

posted by dusted at 10:55 AM on September 17, 2009

But how does that translate into a fair policy for the IAAF?

They need to test everyone if they are going to test -- before competitors win medals. You can't pick and choose who to test based on looks and complaints.

posted by bperk at 11:23 AM on September 17, 2009

They need to test everyone if they are going to test -- before competitors win medals. You can't pick and choose who to test based on looks and complaints.

I believe that's how it used to happen, bperk. It was started some time between the 1930s and 1960s, and stopped in 1999 by the IOC.

The International Association of Athletics Federations ceased gender screening for all athletes in 1992, [7] but retains the option of assessing the gender of a participant should suspicions arise. This was invoked most recently in August 2009 with the mandated testing of South African athlete Caster Semenya. [8] (emphasis mine)

While looking up the history, I found this interactive gender test that puts you in the tester's seat.

posted by dusted at 11:39 AM on September 17, 2009

I followed the wiki entry to this article about gender verification. The AMA and a host of other organizations think it is a bad idea. The article states that the purpose was to catch male impostors not to level the playing field. Since it is pretty much impossible to be a male impostor because of clothing and urine tests, there is no need for the tests. I'm convinced by this. In addition, there aren't any good, clear tests. And, the harm seems to be much more worse than any good that can come from these tests.

posted by bperk at 12:21 PM on September 17, 2009

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