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April 24, 2008
Pacman gives Dallas Cowboys a dual threat:: This is what Pacman Jones can bring to the Dallas Cowboys on the field if he plays in 2008: A playmaker on defense as a cornerback and on special teams.
The guy gets in boatloads of trouble, throws a wrench in his team, the Titans, who are trying to rebuild and use a top draft pick on him, and after they put up with nothing but shit from the guy, they have to dump him off. In the end, Jones actually gets put in a better situation! Only in professional sports, I guess. Hopefully the Cowboys lean on the guy all season, and then at a crucial point Assman pulls another stripclub stunt and gets bounced from the league, ruining the 'Boys' season. While I hate wishing bad things to people, I'm sick of criminals and malcontents being able to put themselves on better teams while their original team is made to suffer. A fourth-round pick (yeah, I understand that could improve) for the sixth overall pick in '05? That sucks.
posted by dyams at 12:24 PM on April 24, 2008
It's not even certain he'll be re-instated, right?
posted by gnutron at 12:32 PM on April 24, 2008
I sure hope the Cowboys don't become the Raiders of the 70's, BI. With a Super Bowl win in '76 and '80, and the competitiveness (word?) they showed during the decade, it would spell trouble for the rest of the NFC. Not that the Cowboys aren't already doing that now. And I'm not a 'Boys fan or a Pacman Jones fan, so I hope the two find the relationship mutually unenjoyable.
posted by THX-1138 at 12:35 PM on April 24, 2008
This Titans fan is happy to see him go although will admit that the Cowboys got a steal in only giving up a 4th round pick. That might have been an even trade if not for the clause that if he is not reinstated, the Titans have to give that pick back next year. Essentially, there's no up front risk and a very small price. Let's take a look at Pacman's career: 2005: Minimum on-field production, mediocre at best coverage, several fumbled punts; semi-frequent police interviews 2006: Drastic on-field improvement, much better coverage/tackling, punt return tds; drastic off-field escalation, makes it rain, still in paper more for busts than plays 2007: Suspended entire season; claims he's going back to WVU to get degree and stay out of trouble, gets in a lot more trouble He's certainly a contributor on the field, the only question is whether he can get there. Of course, I was holding out hope he would be traded to Cincinnati for Chad Johnson...
posted by bender at 01:06 PM on April 24, 2008
All Dallas needs now is Chris Henry. NEW NFL POLICY: 3 strikes and you're a Cowboy.
posted by Debo270 at 01:14 PM on April 24, 2008
This is what Pacman Jones can bring to the Dallas Cowboys on the field if he plays in 2008: Rain baby, make it rain. I would add TO to the list of degenerates the Boys have brought to the team. He was never in trouble with the law that I know of, but he definately had the reputation as a head case and locker room cancer.
posted by curlyelk at 01:15 PM on April 24, 2008
I don't have much of a clue about Nashville, but I've always wondered what it's like for pro football players who are forced to live in Green Bay or Charlotte or Jacksonville or other marginally-backwater towns. Yeah, you're a big fish in a small town, but just where was Pac Man supposed to find entertainment in Nashville? An Amy Grant concert? Dallas is big enough to offer diversified entertainment. Oakland always was a rough town, from longshoremen to Hell's Angels to the 70s-era Raiders. "Felonies start after the third death," an' all that... Would the Bengals have as many discipline problems if they weren't, ya know, located in uber-Kentucky? Part of what put Joe Namath in the Hall of Fame was this Pennsylvania kid, by way of Alabama, was perfectly suited for NYC in the 60s. San Francisco was a perfect (albeit ironic) match for 39-year-old virgin Steve Young, since the a large portion of the fan base could share his never-been-naked-with-a-girl persona. Carl Peterson decided Jared Allen just "wasn't a good fit for Kansas City." Not for the Chiefs. Not for making sacks or winning football games... but for the "city." Maybe he's right. Three high-profile DUIs might do that. As for Dallas? Remember the "North Dallas Forty" Cowboys? The "Semi-Tough" Cowboys? Pac-Man will fit right in.
posted by Monkeyhawk at 01:30 PM on April 24, 2008
Hopefully the Cowboys lean on the guy all season, and then at a crucial point Assman pulls another stripclub stunt and gets bounced from the league, ruining the 'Boys' season Now why you gotta go there? Ruin our season? Comments like that make me hope that Pacman proves people wrong and not only stays out of trouble from here on out but also produces on the field more so than what people actually expects from him. All Dallas needs now is Chris Henry. NEW NFL POLICY: 3 strikes and you're a Cowboy And as long as my 'Boys just win, baby...bring them on, bring them all on!
posted by BornIcon at 01:31 PM on April 24, 2008
...but I've always wondered what it's like for pro football players who are forced to live in Green Bay or Charlotte or Jacksonville or other marginally-backwater towns. Yeah, you're a big fish in a small town... Apparently small(?) town life just isn't for you, moneyhawk. A life can be as exciting/boring as YOU want to make it. Doesn't matter where you live. The teams you mentioned above have had their ups and downs, but I don't think that had anything to do with the size of the town. Who knows what Pacman will do. The 'boys seemed to calm down Terrell Owens so ya never know. If he even gets to play.
posted by steelergirl at 02:05 PM on April 24, 2008
Bornicon, "Just win, baby" isn't your Boys' slogan. How mighty the Raiders have fallen. They used to be the go-to franchise for wayward ne'er-do-wells, and now they don't even merit serious discussion for this stuff. Ten years ago, Pacman (and Chris Henry, and Michael Vick) would have walked out of the Commissioner's office and slept off their respective suspensions outside the Raiders' facility, waiting for the day training camp opened and they were permitted inside the welcoming prison-yard tranquility of the silver & black attack. Tut, tut, tut. Dear Raiders: You used to be of the people, man. The bad, bad people. What happened to you guys?
posted by chicobangs at 02:06 PM on April 24, 2008
"steelergirl" -- Where do ya suppose a southern Califonia kid goes for sushi in Kansas City?
posted by Monkeyhawk at 02:09 PM on April 24, 2008
Where do ya suppose a southern Califonia kid goes for sushi in Kansas City? There's a pretty decent place in the strip mall behind the Wendy's right by Johnson County Community College. And I'm sure there's some good places on the Plaza. On the Missouri side, I would have no idea. I try not to go there. On topic, I'm just glad the Chiefs stayed away from him. Our defensive backfield is terrible, but he definitely would have not fit in KC.
posted by hawkguy at 02:15 PM on April 24, 2008
Maybe, "hawkguy" -- But going for sushi in Johnson County Kansas sounds a lot like going to San Diego for barbecue.
posted by Monkeyhawk at 02:20 PM on April 24, 2008
Bornicon, "Just win, baby" isn't your Boys' slogan. Yeah, I know. That's Mr. Sweat Suit, Al Davis' favorite mantra but I rather use it for a real team that has a real chance of actually winning.
posted by BornIcon at 02:21 PM on April 24, 2008
But going for sushi in Johnson County Kansas sounds a lot like going to San Diego for barbecue. [insert obilgatory Kansas City Barbecue/Top Gun mention here]
posted by LionIndex at 03:00 PM on April 24, 2008
This is afterall the Dallas, TX that last month it was discovered, had a local strip club with a 12 yr old stripping and a 13 yr old prostituting while being pimped out by her 13 yr old girl friend from school. I didn't catch if it was the liquor or sexually-oriented-business license that had expired at said club. That along with the fact Dallas is one of the top three strip club cities in the good ole USA, what trouble could pacman get into there?
posted by jaygolf at 03:31 PM on April 24, 2008
A dual threat - on the field and off the field. It certainly is a Return to Tradition America's Team . . .
posted by geekyguy at 04:00 PM on April 24, 2008
On the Missouri side, I would have no idea. I try not to go there. Why is that hawkguy? Does a rash develop when crossing the boarder? Can give name for great dermatologist if need be. Guaranteed to stop all ailments when coming into Mark Twain land.
posted by giveuptheghost at 04:57 PM on April 24, 2008
MonkeyHawk: You're not joking that you don't have a clue about Nashville, especially if you think that there is nothing to do there or that there's simply nothing there for him to do. Amy Grant concert? Lame.
posted by Adept at 05:11 PM on April 24, 2008
Newsflash: The Dallas Cowboys have changed their colors to black and white horizontal pinstripes. The National Anthem will be replaced by 'Bad Boys', and military fly overs will be replaced by police helicopters from all the surrounding jurisdictions. In a related move, the famed Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders will be offering lapdances at $100 a pop and private suites will be replaced by champagne VIP rooms. When pressed for an explanation for the moves, a Cowboys representative, who chose to remain anonymous, replied: We wanted our players to feel at home.
posted by Tinman at 05:17 PM on April 24, 2008
Nashville is glad to be rid of PunkMan the Thug Jones Since the Titans selected Pacman Jones in the first round of the 2005 draft, he's had multiple run-ins with police: APRIL 2005 Where: Atlanta. What: Jones is named on an incident report after a fight broke out at a strip club. The female involved said she had no plans of pursuing the case. Outcome: A judge dismissed the case. JUNE 2005 Where: Nashville. What: Security officials at Regal Maxwell House hotel had trouble getting two friends of Jones to clear their room after checkout time. When police arrived, they smelled marijuana and found some of the drug on a table. Jones was in the room, but one of his friends took responsibility for the evidence. Outcome: Jones was not arrested. JULY 2005 Where: Nashville. What: Jones was arrested and charged with two counts of misdemeanor assault and a felony count of vandalism following an incident at a nightclub. The club's bouncer and his brother said Jones became belligerent, struck the bouncer, tore a necklace from his neck and shouted a racial slur because they asked some people at the private party to leave because they allegedly were using drugs. Outcome: Less than a year later, charges against Jones were dismissed when the men who brought the case asked prosecutors to drop it. FEBRUARY 2006 Where: Fayetteville, Ga. What: Jones was charged with felony obstruction of police and two counts of misdemeanor obstruction after an alleged altercation with officers. According to police, Jones, sitting in a car outside his girlfriend's house at 1 a.m., became confrontational when approached by officers. Outcome: Jones entered a best-interest guilty plea and was sentenced to three years' probation for the felony conviction. MARCH 2006 Where: Fayetteville, Ga. What: Jones was arrested and charged with marijuana possession after police said he admitted to smoking marijuana in his car. Police were conducting a search warrant at the player's home, where the drug was found. Outcome: The Fayette County solicitor said there wasn't strong enough evidence against Jones to prosecute the case, and dismissed it. Two of four individuals initially charged were prosecuted, including Jones' mother. The vehicle in question was confiscated APRIL 2006 Where: Nashville. What: Metro police said a vehicle registered to Jones was involved in a drug trafficking ring — 1,653 pounds of marijuana, 128 pounds of cocaine and $608,000 cash was seized. "Pac Man" was embroidered on the leather seats of the 2004 Cadillac XLR, which was confiscated from a friend of Jones. Jones later bought the car back at an auction. Outcome: Jones was not charged. APRIL 2006 Where: Nashville. What: Jones was at an Exxon at 1:50 a.m. when gunshots were fired following an altercation. Police questioned Jones but labeled him a witness. Outcome: Jones was not charged. AUGUST 2006 Where: Murfreesboro. What: Jones was arrested and charged with public drunkenness and disorderly conduct, both misdemeanors, after an incident at Sweetwater Saloon. Police said Jones yelled obscenities at them and was intoxicated when they arrived following an incident at the club. Jones claimed he was "an innocent bystander" after posting a $750 bond. Outcome: Charges were later dismissed at the request of the district attorney. OCTOBER 2006 Where: Nashville. What: Jones was issued a citation on misdemeanor assault after being accused of spitting in the face of a Tennessee State student following a verbal exchange at a downtown nightclub. Outcome: The charge was dismissed in general sessions court. FEBRUARY 2007 Where: Las Vegas. What: Police said Jones started a melee inside a strip club that led to a triple shooting outside, with one man paralyzed. Jones was never a suspect in the shooting but later turned himself in to face two felony coercion charges. Outcome: In December Jones pleaded no contest to conspiracy to commit disorderly conduct in a plea deal that reduced the two felony charges. Last week police arrested a Washington man and charged him with the shooting after Jones picked him out of a lineup. JUNE 2007 Where: Atlanta. What: Police said Jones, his friends and a second party of three men were involved in an argument over a woman at a strip club. Jones left the club in one vehicle, his friends in two other cars and the three men in another vehicle. While the three men were waiting at a red light, two vehicles said to be similar to those of Jones' acquaintances pulled alongside, and shots were fired. Outcome: Police said Jones was not thought to be at the scene of the shooting. He was not charged. JANUARY 2008 Where: Atlanta. What: An Atlanta attorney filed a warrant application requesting Jones be arrested. She claimed he sucker-punched her in the face at a strip club. Outcome: The woman withdrew the application and police dropped their investigation.
posted by m8nsman at 05:31 PM on April 24, 2008
Why is that hawkguy? I have always been a KU fan and Kansas resident. It hurts me a little to even be in Missouri. Besides, you gotta admit,the area from Troost to the stadiums is kind of scary.
posted by hawkguy at 05:56 PM on April 24, 2008
Hawkyguy, you and I are probably neighbors, both went to KU at the same time and are both big local sports fans. There is nothing scary going on anywhere near Truman Sports Complex at game time. Too many cops. And, to get back on topic, cops are something the Dallas metro area is going to need more of with Pac-Daddy on the way. Local strip clubs have begun bullet-proofing their walls and issuing kevlar g-strings to the 'dancers'.
posted by Tinman at 06:13 PM on April 24, 2008
pacman gives Dallas a threat to society. if he plays he's as good as any cb in the league, but do u really think he can stay out of trouble?????
posted by greenin at 06:29 PM on April 24, 2008
Hawkyguy, you and I are probably neighbors I'm in Lawrence now, but my previous house was on pflumm at around 129th street in Olathe.
posted by hawkguy at 06:32 PM on April 24, 2008
Hey, Tinman and all KC area Spofites, I don't want to thread-jack, so send me an email and maybe we can meet up for a gathering. It would be fun to place a face to screen names. Maybe a Royals game, although they are getting shellacked right now.
posted by hawkguy at 06:40 PM on April 24, 2008
08-09 Cowboys starting "line-up"will not be introduced during games this year. They will just have their number called, then be asked to turn, face the crowd, and state their name and address. A 2 way mirror will be placed behind the Cowboys bench to protect the identity of the witnesses.
posted by sportsblitz at 01:29 AM on April 25, 2008
Thanks sportzblitz. I forgot to mention that in the earlier press release. When asked for his thoughts on the new direction the team is headed, Pacman Jones smiled through his grill and replied: 'As long as there's strippers, call me Big Daddy when you back that thing up'. Also, as it relates to players' defense in ongoing civil and criminal litigation, all fans will be required to submit a DNA sample before entering the stadium. While DNA is 99.9+% accurate, the organization feels that this increases the odds of an exonerating sample thus freeing their players to focus on football. We'll keep you aprised of further developments as they are released.
posted by Tinman at 02:19 AM on April 25, 2008
Sorry m8nsman, did you say something? Not sure if you worked as a court clerk or something but geez, all that info made my head hurt. This isn't the first time that "The Pacman" (as Tony Kornheiser from PTI would say) has been discussed here on SpoFi so we are very much aware of what he's known for besides playing in the NFL.
posted by BornIcon at 06:44 AM on April 25, 2008
Where do ya suppose a southern Califonia kid goes for sushi in Kansas City? More to life than sushi, Moneyhawk. But you are probably one of those who think the Pro Football Hall of Fame should be moved because there is nothing to do in Canton, Ohio. :P (sorry for the derail my previous post caused.)
posted by steelergirl at 07:03 AM on April 25, 2008
I would be willing to bet that Jerry Jones will cover his tail in a contract with PacMan... He will put in there that he will owe him nothing if he gets in trouble with the law and gets booted by the league (that is if he gets back in). It is a shame to read all the news about college and pro players getting in trouble... It appears that college and pro players have too much time and money on their hands or think they are above the law... It makes you wonder who raised these guys... The sad thing that is happening now is parents raising their kids to play sports first and get an education second... Thats what big money brings...
posted by bruce2ww at 07:15 AM on April 25, 2008
Old joke..... My prediction is that the Cowboys will go 9-6-1 next season. 9 acquittals, 6 convictions, and 1 mistrial.
posted by NerfballPro at 11:23 AM on April 25, 2008
I am all for giving second (third, fourth, fifth) chances to anyone. Personally I have been through some shit and would never want anyone to give up on me so good on the Cowboys and anyone else in Adam Jones' life that is willing to stick by him and help him change his life. Although I despise the Cowboys I hope Jones can have a long and healthy career. That being said, his awful "performance" in TNA is an act worthy of a prison sentence. When it comes to pro-footballers in the squared circle LT has set a pretty high benchmark.
posted by HATER 187 at 01:26 PM on April 25, 2008
Are you kidding me? Green Bay is considered a back water town. If one losing season in 16 years in a back water town is bad then I don't want to be good MONEYHAWK. GET A LIFE!!!!!!! Born and raised cheesehead and proud of it.
posted by amatzek at 11:33 PM on April 25, 2008
So out of 11 incidents, two resulted in actual convictions?
posted by aerotive at 11:51 PM on April 25, 2008
Are you kidding me? Green Bay is considered a back water town. If one losing season in 16 years in a back water town is bad then I don't want to be good MONEYHAWK. GET A LIFE!!!!!!! The number of winning years your team had has absolutely no correlation to the size of the town. Green Bay is, by population, the smallest market in the NFL by far, with just over a half million residents; the next smallest market, Jacksonville, FL, has over 1.1 million. By NFL standards, it's a backwater town.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 12:51 PM on April 26, 2008
The NFL approved the Pacman Jones to Dallas trade today, per ESPN. First suspended player ever involved in an NFL trade. With Joneswatch, Romo's romantic miss adventures and Owens mouth seems like too much soap opera to me. I'd expect the Cowboys (and once upon a time, the Raiders) can deal with it better than most teams though.
posted by Newbie Walker at 05:12 PM on April 27, 2008
So out of 11 incidents, two resulted in actual convictions? Granted, the perception of Pacman Jones' criminal file may be a bit more substantial than reality given the number of times he's been released, 11 incidents and 2 convictions (in 3 years, no less) are both alarming numbers. I'd bet most of the players in the NFL haven't been interviewed by the police once in that time.
posted by bender at 08:08 AM on April 28, 2008
Sort of funny how the cowboys have come full circle. When Jones bought the team, it was "anything to win" He overlooked the sins of various players as long as the team won. Then, they win a few Superbowls, and all of a sudden Jones wants to be the good guy, and tries to clean up his act. He passes on Randy Moss in the draft because he didn't want that type of character on his team. Now, it's been a while since they've had a playoff win, and he's back to his old self. Anything is overlooked if you bring the wins. Sad thing is, I live here in Dallas, and I will tell you that the fans don't care either. If Pacman helps the boys win, they couldn't care less about his past.
posted by dviking at 11:39 PM on April 28, 2008
He could help or hurt the Cowboys. What is certain though is that he's going to do the same shit in Dallas that he did in Tennessee. There are a lot of players in the NFL who have done worse things than Pacman. He's a very good return man and I see him lasting not more than a year in big D.
posted by Scars at 09:57 PM on April 29, 2008
Honestly, as a Cowboys fan, I'm a little uneasy about this pick up. My 'Boys are starting to look like the Raiders of the '70's by picking up the so-called degenerates of the league. First it was Tank Johnson and now Pacman Jones, I just hope that the 'Boy don't fall apart.