04/23/24
December 01, 2006
Kobe drops 52 in 3 Quarters, against Utah...: Guess who's back?!?!?! In the third quarter, Kobe was 9-of-9 from the field including 2 3-pointers and 10-of-10 from the free throw line. A perfect 19-of-19!!
posted by yay-yo to basketball at 09:20 AM - 37 comments
I understand. He doesn't do funny commercials. He seemed to be channeling all of MJ's mannerisms his first few years while denying any similarity. He has a nasty edge that he sometimes inflicts on people who meant him no harm. He doesn't have Shaq's seal of approval. Forgot a few: allegedly raped a girl, admittedly cheated on his wife, ratted his teammate when telling the police that Shaq is worse than he is, has refused to take shots in games, wouldn't allow Karl Malone to set a screen for him so he can go one on one, etc., etc., etc. Kobe is all about Kobe. I hope that never tanslates into another championship.
posted by Bill Lumbergh at 09:57 AM on December 01, 2006
I hear this Kobe Bryant is a good basketball player. Also to add to Bill's list: Wipes his excretia on a t-shirt. You stay classy Kobe. (I mean, for the love of chocolate-dipped Jesus - it's a HOTEL. THERE ARE TOWELS.)
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:28 PM on December 01, 2006
Classy or not, good person or not, team player or not, etc, etc, Kobe is a one-of-a-kind basketball Phenom. Not justifying, just stating.
posted by FCDenver at 12:56 PM on December 01, 2006
And in all that shooting, he somehow managed to give up three assists. Is this guy a team player, or what? In all seriousness, how is this newsworthy in any way, shape or form? Fifty-point games hardly have the luster they used to, especially for a scorer like Kobe, who everybody and their brother knows can drop 40 or 50 on you with no problem.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 01:31 PM on December 01, 2006
especially for a scorer like Kobe Since you realize that Kobe is a "Scorer" why are you so suprised by his assist totals? His job is to SCORE, not pass. Thats why Lamar Odom runs the point with Smush Parker. If Kobe was a point guard and was only getting 3 assists, I would understand the criticism. Anyone who doesn't like Kobe is just jealous that he ain't on YOUR team. I know its hard to watch a guy make your home town team look stupid everytime he plays against them, but give the man his dues. He is the best pure scorer in the game today. Not to mention a perennial all-NBA defender. What more do you want from the man? When he dropped 60 against the Mavs in 3 quarters everyone was like, oh its the Mavs, they got no D. Then he dropped 81 on the Raptors, and everyones like, oh the Raptors suck. Now he drops 52 on the JAZZ (known as one of the tougest D-teams in the league, year after year) in 3 quarters and he still can't get any respect?? 50 point games are very common these days, however none of them have included a 30 point quarter in which the player made 19-of-19 shots.
posted by yay-yo at 03:07 PM on December 01, 2006
If I was Kobe, I'd flip all the haters the bird. Hand me that t-shirt, dammit!
posted by THX-1138 at 03:17 PM on December 01, 2006
Michael Redd's 50 point Zero assist game was more impressive. Now there's a black hole. yay-yo - most teams don't feature players who will take 19 shots in a quarter. It's kinda hard to compare.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:24 PM on December 01, 2006
Anyone who doesn't like Kobe is just jealous that he ain't on YOUR team. Hard to argue with such logic.
posted by justgary at 03:49 PM on December 01, 2006
Anyone who doesn't like Kobe is just jealous that he ain't on YOUR team. You post a homer FPP like that, then sprinkle liberally sprinkle with exclamation points and question marks like you're signing somebody's yearbook, and expect what? I won't shit on a worthwhile post, because I respect the rules of the site, but when I see one like this, I'll occasionally call it. 52 points isn't a league record, a team record, or a single season record. It's not even Kobe's career best, no matter how you dress it up. In fact, I'll bet you ten bucks right now that it doesn't end up his season high. As far as the assist total, Kobe had three in this miracle game that has you in such a tizzy. He had four Tuesday against Milwaukee, and dished out 10 against the Nets on Sunday. He averages 4.5 assists per game for his career (5.1 per since he became a full-time starter), and is averaging 5 a game this season. Certainly not spectacular, but your assertion that he's supposed to SCORE and not dish rings a little hollow. As far as the dumbass comment you made that I've highlighted above: in the same way that I pray that the Red Sox never re-sign Roger Clemens, or sign Barry Bonds, the same way I'd hate it if the Dolphins went and picked up Terrell Owens or brought Bill Romanowski out of retirement, I don't want to see Kobe Bryant in a Celtics jersey. The Lakers can have him. You're welcome to keep him, and if he scores 80 again, I'll be impressed, and I'll appreciate that link the way I appreciated this one.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:45 PM on December 01, 2006
Kobe scores 50 . . . who cares? We don't talk about him becasue we know that come playoff time he will be at home eating granola bars and watching a team with a LEADER win a championship. There is more that goes into being a great player, a legend, than just having skills. Earning his teammates trust, making sure he is doing what he can so that they can win (besides trying to take every shot for them), taking criticism like a man, not selling out teammates, making his whole team better, that is what makes a player a leader, what makes him great. Call him a great scorer, athlete, whatever, but don't call him a great player. More than skills goes into earning that designation. I hope he gets them one day, but until then, let it go. No one will think he is great if he scores a million points, because greatness can't be measured on paper alone.
posted by brainofdtrain at 04:59 PM on December 01, 2006
your assertion that he's supposed to SCORE and not dish rings a little hollow. Have you ever played basketball? A 2-guard is AKA a "shooting" guard. He's supposed to score and if he happens to pick up a handfull of assists as he does it, its a bonus. Funny how one minute you mock his assist total and the next your defending his 5 assists per game???? Have you taken your bi-polar medication today??? I'll occasionally call it. While your at it, call yourself a hater. If you can't respect Kobe as a basketball player, then you're just a dumbass. And if you need help focusing on the POINT of the article, direct your attention to the THIRD QUARTER STATS. Show me where someone has had a better quarter than that and then you can tell me that this is not news worthy.
posted by yay-yo at 05:04 PM on December 01, 2006
in the same way that I pray that the Red Sox never re-sign Roger Clemens From your lips to god's ears.
posted by justgary at 05:31 PM on December 01, 2006
Weedy put "excretia"and "chocolate-dipped Jesus" in the same post. How fucking brilliant is that?!
posted by Desert Dog at 05:31 PM on December 01, 2006
While your at it, call yourself a hater. While you're at it, call yourself a homer. yay-yo, I think you need to listen to TBH, here. There have been plenty of times when I've been excited because my team, in whatever sport, got a big win. I was pretty happy a couple of weeks ago when the Pats shut out Green Bay. Did I FPP it? No, because it's not FPP worthy. Here's why: it was a game, and that was all. Individually and collectively, the Pats put up some big numbers. There may have been some personal records set in that game. But there weren't any NFL records, not for the score, not for individual stats, not for nothing. It wasn't a championship game. And, nothing else happened that would make this game truly noteworthy, such as "they played in three feet of snow," or "the fans stormed the field, fed Brett Favre into a wood chipper, and turned the results into cheddy brats". I think your game is in this same category. If we FPP every time a team has a big win or an individual has a big game, believe it, the front page will look like the breakdown lane of the Jersey Turnpike. Maybe this is something we need to elaborate on, but my off-the-cuff take on it is, you FPP about a big game when something record-breaking happens in it, or if it's a championship, or if something else truly unprecedented and newsworthy happens at it (for instance, the Pistons-Pacers brawl). On preview: desertdog: Weedy put "excretia"and "chocolate-dipped Jesus" in the same post. How fucking brilliant is that?! I'm glad someone else said it first.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 05:37 PM on December 01, 2006
Will someone make a greasemonkey script that automatically turns the appearance of the word "hater" into "King of all that is good and Holy who I give my permanent devotion and adoration to, whom may come to my house, shit in my sink, have their way with my significant other, kick my kitten, and to whom I'll smile and gladly hand over $500 in cash"? Not so much because of this thread -- I just want to read
posted by King of all that is good and Holy who I give my permanent devotion and adoration to, whom may come to my house, shit in my sink, have their way with my significant other, kick my kitten, and to whom I'll smile and gladly hand over $500 in cash 187occasionally.
posted by Ufez Jones at 06:03 PM on December 01, 2006
Ufez I understand who you're talking about, but I am still very, very lost.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 06:10 PM on December 01, 2006
Wait, you want to search for the word "hater", then replace the poster's name with that phrase? Should have asked before I got drunk.
posted by yerfatma at 06:15 PM on December 01, 2006
You dumbasses are missing the point. Was this a big win? NO Was it even a big game? NO Was it an amazing display of offense by Kobe in the 3rd quarter? YES. Has that performance been matched or bested? NO If you find someone who has had a quarter in which they made more than 19-of-19 field goals + free-throws, I will be more than happy to eat a FAT slice of HUMBLE pie. Until then, stop crying. If Tom Brady throws 5 touchdowns in one quarter, go ahead and post it!!!
posted by yay-yo at 06:19 PM on December 01, 2006
Just in case you missed them, I'd like to list some passages from the SpoFi bible. SportsFilter is not the place to get your daily, mundane sporting news. Kobe has done this before. He'll do it again. Until he scores more than 81 points, nobody really cares about his stat line. A good FPP requires a sports related link that has not been seen by most people, is interesting in content, and will foster discussion among the community. Kobe Bryant scores a lot of points. Since when is that interesting? Unless there's no other option, don't link to an ESPN, Yahoo! Sports, or Associated Press article. Strike one. Don't editorialize on the front page. Biased posts make for biased discussions. Personal opinion belongs inside the thread. You say Kobe is back. I don't believe he ever went away (unfortunately). Over use of caps, exclamation points, italics, bold, and aol-speak are discouraged. Strike two. No personal attacks. A good comment is respectful of members and their opinions. Address the argument, not the person making it. Strike three.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 06:51 PM on December 01, 2006
Sorry, I guess I was a little murky there. I'm just tired of people who, confronted with a counterargument, retort with a simple "Shut up, you're just a hater". Here and elsewhere. It's tired, overplayed, simplistic, and moronic. So, what I was envisioning was the script redoing yay-yo's totally awesome "While your at it, call yourself a hater." comment thusly:
While your at it, call yourself a King of all that is good and Holy who I give my permanent devotion and adoration to, whom may come to my house, shit in my sink, have their way with my significant other, kick my kitten, and to whom I'll smile and gladly hand over $500 in cash.amirite?
posted by Ufez Jones at 06:53 PM on December 01, 2006
This story isn't on the front page of either ESPN.com or Yahoo! sports. It's not even the headline on the NBA page of either site.
posted by Venicemenace at 07:34 PM on December 01, 2006
Am I out? damn, you got me again. I guess I'll get it right eventually. Sorry for wasting your time. You can go back to your cirlce jerk now. Save the cookie for Ufez!
posted by yay-yo at 08:14 PM on December 01, 2006
damn, you got me again. Yeah, and twice we tried to help you out, and your response was to ignore the help, continue to insist that you were right, and engage in personal attacks -- after being told, indirectly and directly, that that's a no-no. As for whether you're out? That's up to the mods, but I suspect they'll say that it's really up to you, and that you're welcome as long as you play by the same rules as the rest of us.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 08:46 PM on December 01, 2006
If you weren't interested in the link, why did you bother posting a comment? Other people seemed to think it was o.k. Just because you have a personal dislike for Kobe, doesn't mean it's a bad link. The guy had an amazing, record setting quarter. If Tom Brady or Brett Farve three 5 touchdowns in one quarter, I would expect to see someone post a link it. If I was wrong, I am sorry. However the whole personal attack thing is a double edged sword.
posted by yay-yo at 08:55 PM on December 01, 2006
Sigh. This is the last time I'm gonna try and help you. 1. I posted a comment because it was a crap FPP, that's why. It's not that big a deal, but as I said before, we don't just leave crap FPPs littering up the front page. It's nothing against you, and it's nothing against the subject of your link, it's against the nature of your link. 2. A couple of other people "seemed to think it was o.k.", if by that you mean they didn't take exception to it. Many more were of the opinion that it wasn't a good FPP. If you're going to use what other people say to back up your position, you really ought to make sure that most of them agree with you. 3. I haven't said anything that would indicate whether I thought Kobe Bryant is Jesus Christ's smarter and saintlier brother, or the worst sort of dickhead. However... 4. ...you're right about one thing: even if I had said, "Kobe Bryant is the worst sort of dickhead" -- which I did not -- that would not have been what made your FPP a bad one. It was bad all without me, believe it. 5. Re: being sorry if you were wrong, your apology is accepted, and no hard feelings. I'll let it go that you called me a dumbass and suggested I was participating in a "cirlce" jerk. I do wish, though, that you'd explain about that double edged sword -- seems to me that you were the only one doing the swinging. Maybe we could just drop that bit, hey? Backhanded apologies don't work as well as sincere ones.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 09:30 PM on December 01, 2006
Ummmmm.....So do I get a kick at Ufez's cat and a shot at his old lady? This thread is stupid confusing. And to you Mr. not-so-cleverly-vield-drug refrence, this thread ain't very good so you got called out on it. It happens all the time. I am suprised this thing has been up for 12 hours.
posted by HATER 187 at 10:40 PM on December 01, 2006
Please explain to me again why its not news worthy when someone goes 9 for 9 from the field and 10 for 10 from the line for 30 points in one quarter. I can uderstand that nobody likes Kobe, but I don't understand how this is not news. Show me some examples of similiar feats. Don't just dismiss it because you don't like the "who". I thought this site was about the "what".
posted by yay-yo at 11:53 PM on December 01, 2006
I really have nothing against Kobe, in fact I like him and think he is an exceptional basketball player. I would sacrifice a testical to have him play for a team I root for. Most of the time a trip to the Garden is to see a player play against the Knicks. Kobe Bryant comig to town is a reason to make the over priced trip to NYC. I watched with horror when MJ dropped 55 against them in the playoffs. Making a post about a 50 point game would be like making a post someone in ice hockey scored a hat trick or a non-disabled bowler rolling a wicked game. You posted this solely beacause Kobe Bryant dropped 50 on someone on a fucking weeknight. You made it about the "who" not the "what".
posted by HATER 187 at 12:07 AM on December 02, 2006
I'm curious about the assertion that this is an NBA record. 30 points in one quarter tied Kobe's existing team record, but who is keeping track of "total shots (field goals and free throws) made without a miss in one quarter"? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I seriously looked for something to back this up and couldn't find it. (LA Times, ESPN, Yahoo!, AP wire, etc.) The only similar record I could find was this: Wilt Chamberlain went 18-for-18 from the field in a game on 2/24/67, as part of a 35-for-35 run over four games. Also, Paul Pierce hit 21 free throws without a miss in a 2003 playoff game. (Personally, I am less impressed by free throw stats since the shot is uncontested.) I have no beef with Ocho so no hatin' here.
posted by Venicemenace at 12:08 AM on December 02, 2006
Please explain to me again why its not news worthy when someone goes 9 for 9 from the field and 10 for 10 from the line for 30 points in one quarter. Well, because it's none of that is even a goddamn NBA record. Most points, one quarter 33 - George Gervin, San Antonio, April 9, 1978, 2nd quarter, versus New Orleans Most field goals, one quarter 13 - David Thompson, Denver at Detroit, April 9, 1978 (1st qtr.) Most free throws made, one quarter 14 - Rick Barry, San Francisco at New York, December 6, 1966 (3rd qtr.) Pete Maravich, Atlanta vs. Buffalo, November 28, 1973 (3rd qtr.) Adrian Dantley, Detroit vs. Sacramento, December 10, 1986 (4th qtr.) Michael Jordan, Chicago at Utah, November 15, 1989 (4th qtr.) Michael Jordan, Chicago at Miami, December 30, 1992 (4th qtr.) Johnny Newman, Denver vs. Boston, February 10, 1998, (4th qtr.)
posted by grum@work at 12:21 AM on December 02, 2006
100% combined shooting percentage in a quarter has to be a record, no? Yay-yo, you're headline killed you. If you had made the 3rd quarter performance the whole of your post (and had left out the whole "Kobe's back" foolishness), you might have had a chance to escape persecution. Headlining with "Kobe scores 52" isn't postworthy. It's not even TiVoworthy.
posted by BullpenPro at 12:35 AM on December 02, 2006
Of course, that should read "your headline," not "you're." I blame Ring Lardner. His grammar is terrible.
posted by BullpenPro at 12:47 AM on December 02, 2006
100% combined shooting percentage in a quarter has to be a record, no? But you would have to pick a minimum number of shots. And that number would necessarily be arbitrary.
posted by Venicemenace at 01:11 AM on December 02, 2006
100% combined shooting percentage in a quarter has to be a record, no? As Venicemenace says, it's probably not a record that was actively tracked. There are these records though: Most field goals, none missed, game 18 - Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia vs. Baltimore, at Pittsburgh, February 24, 1967 Most free throws made, none missed, game 23 - Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta vs. Chicago, December 8, 1992 Most consecutive free throws made 97 - Michael Williams, Minnesota 3/24/93 to 11/9/93
posted by grum@work at 01:21 AM on December 02, 2006
I like this thread now.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 01:06 PM on December 02, 2006
Most field goals, one quarter 13 - David Thompson, Denver at Detroit, April 9, 1978 (1st qtr.) This is made even more impressive by his stopping at the scorer's table to do a line after every bucket.
posted by wfrazerjr at 02:45 PM on December 02, 2006
I hate the lakers but would have to agree that Kobe is one of the best playing the game today.