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January 08, 2006
Carolina Skunks New York: The Carolina Panthers shut out the New York Giants 23-0 in a first-round NFC playoff game. NFC East quarterbacks Eli Manning and Washington's Mark Brunell have combined for 17-of-33 passing for 161 yards, no touchdowns and four interceptions, a quarterback rating of 25.76.
One thing the commentator mentioned that surprised me is that Archie Manning not only never made the playoffs--okay, the Saints were beyond bad in those days--but he never even played on a team with a winning record. Today was a learning experience for Eli, hopefully he got good notes.
posted by billsaysthis at 04:04 PM on January 08, 2006
I'm sure it wasn't much of a game for everybody else, but us Panther fans loved every second of it. Deshaun Foster sure knows how to exploit defenses that have given up on the game. His only other 100+ rushing days this season have come against Atlanta teams that pretty much gave up by the second quarter.
posted by NoMich at 04:09 PM on January 08, 2006
I didn't realize it was that bad for Archie. The closest he came was an 8-8 record in 1979.
posted by rcade at 04:25 PM on January 08, 2006
it seem eli is a rookie still very incosestent
posted by Barry-from-H-town at 05:03 PM on January 08, 2006
If you Carolina fans have any cheesehead friends, I'm sure they will allow you to borrow our rivalry song, "The Bears Still Suck", for this week. The Panthers looked good today. Look forward to the defensive battle next week, so good luck Carolina. The Packer nation will definately be pulling for you since we're not use to sitting the postseason out. Just remember whatever happens, the Bears still suck.
posted by krer300 at 05:15 PM on January 08, 2006
defense wins championships. nuf said.
posted by arcklin at 05:20 PM on January 08, 2006
Yeah and what time does the Packer game start? Thought so....
posted by skydivemom at 05:26 PM on January 08, 2006
Had not been shut-out in twenty years them Giants. Not very Giant seems to me. Ely 3 picks 1 fumble, tiki 41 yards, plexico 0 receptions. wassup with that?? panther defense that good? will see what da bears have to say 'bout that.
posted by kosmicdebris at 05:35 PM on January 08, 2006
Hey krer300 WHO"S YOUR DADDY!!!! I heard the packers where relocating to the philippines.....There gonna be renamed the MANILA FOLDERS!!!!
posted by Grrrlacher at 05:44 PM on January 08, 2006
ELI, ELI, ELI! BETTER CHANCE NEXT SEASON!
posted by MICHIGANDER at 06:55 PM on January 08, 2006
he's a rookie. give eli a break! and the packers, i agree with you grrrlacher, manilla folder! haha
posted by zac4667 at 07:06 PM on January 08, 2006
Eli's a second-year pro. None of the newbie qewbies won their first playoff game this weekend -- Sims, Leftwich, Manning or Palmer.
posted by rcade at 07:10 PM on January 08, 2006
Come on rcade you can't say Palmer lost, that wasn't his fault, you know if Palmer didn't get hurt they probably would've come out on top. I am glad the G men got a beat down. (i am a boys' fan)
posted by chuy at 07:27 PM on January 08, 2006
Hey Chicago, The Packer fans get a glimpse at how it feels to be a Bears fan this season - loose twice to your rivals and no playoffs. One trip to the postseason in 12 years for you guys...guess you have low standards for your team. It sucks and its better to be on your side, but those 12 years we have been there. Too bad you guys dont have an offense to go with the good D. Grossman isnt the answer. Good luck but the Bears still suck. See you back in another 12.
posted by krer300 at 07:50 PM on January 08, 2006
Lets face it, neither manning is a big game QB. You can say payton has passing td records but thats it. So the truth is, neither is a true QB and never will be. You could say mike Vick has rushing records, that doesnt make him a good QB as some of you have pointed out. I wouldnt want none of the mannings QB'ing my team in the big game, all they do is show off for a few plays, get to the line of scrimmage do a bunch of BS fancy dancing around like they are planning an attack on Iraq, or directing a Baptist Church choir, then hand the ball off or go deep. Give me a healthy D. Mcnabb over P manning anyday in a big playoff game. You put Mcnabb on the colts with those receivers and you have a superbowl dynasty in the making. I think they are over rated because they dont run the ball well or make good decisions when the big game is on the line. Elway, Young, Fran Tarkenton*, Doug Williams all ran the ball well in big games. When the pressure was on they made the right decisions. Some of you may argue that P.Manning has this record or that record, but that doesnt make him a Champion. As a matter of fact, in a big game, P. Manning folds faster then a poker player holding 7/2 off suit. If he wants to impress people, he should set some records in the superbowl like Doug Williams did. Until then, he's average at best. Both of them.
posted by RZA at 07:56 PM on January 08, 2006
So the truth is, neither is a true QB and never will be. So all those passing records means Peyton is a...running back? Linebacker? Strong safety? Doug Williams all ran the ball well in big games. Doug Williams started 5 games in the regular season for Washington in 1987 (his SuperBowl year). His total rushing stats: 7 attempts, 9 yards, 1 TD. He started in 3 games in the playoffs that year. His total rushing stats for those playoffs: 8 attempts, 4 yards, 0 TD. His grand total playoff rushing stats: 16 attempts, 32 yards, 0 TD in 7 games. So please inform me how Williams "ran the ball well in big games".
posted by grum@work at 08:17 PM on January 08, 2006
When is the last time the quarterback was the difference in a Superbowl anyways. Good teams that are united from the front office on down are what usually comes out on top. I mean 3 rings for Tom Brady?? Hes part of the factors, but he's not the reason the Patriots win.
posted by krer300 at 08:28 PM on January 08, 2006
Is it just me or does it seem that even in victory the Panthers are a mindnumbingly boring team to watch? As a Carolina fan, I have endured the passes to the flats over and over, and the endless running plays to the sidelines. They have been Conservative to the point that I didnt care if they won or lost, just glad to see the game end. Seems to me all you got to do to shut Carolina down is defend the flat, and let the middle of the field go. They arent going to throw there or run there either.
posted by pizzpoor at 08:53 PM on January 08, 2006
Tom Brady's a two-time Super Bowl MVP, krer. That would suggest he made a pretty big impact on the games.
posted by rcade at 09:57 PM on January 08, 2006
RZA Peyton will surprise everybody this year. Give me a break 14-2 Not only is Peyton a great QB the Colts are a great team. The stats don't lie. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOOOLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by indycoltsfan1 at 10:16 PM on January 08, 2006
krer300 you hit it on the nail. Yeah the Packers have been there in the past 12 years, but face it....get used to that sentence...have been there, because from now on that's all you will be saying at the bar all depressed with your head laying on the bar table while you watch the Bears dominating you for the next 12 years. You are saying the Bears still suck when even our own rookie quarterback still had less interceptions than your untouchable beloved Mr. Brett Favre, I'll tell you what though I hope Brett comes back for another season so we can just keep pounding him to the floor. I'm sorry buddy but you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself "who sucks now?" Shoutout to all the Bears Fans who will be watching our team in Detroit while the cheeseheads keep insisting Brett is still the answer....poor cheeseheads. Hopefully you can at least save money on your car insurance this year, because that's all the good news that you will be getting.
posted by DABEARS#1 at 12:10 AM on January 09, 2006
Just offering you some more work grum. Obviously adding Doug williams name there was a mistake by me. He indeed wasnt a running QB. I only meant to add his name when it came to the "pressure of making the right decisions" portion of that comment. I noticed that was your 1st post here. Any thoughts on the topic? Or just disecting me again? And i wont mention that you didnt offer the stats of the other QB's i mentioned. Just an oversight on your part right? You should have offered Williams passing stats from the superbowl that year. Then we could refer to this thread and compare Mannings stats from this years superbowl, provided he makes it. You had an opinion on the thread itself too, right? God knows we dont need to ruin another thread by pointing out other posters errors. Your post would have been fine had you just made mention of the link or the topic. I only offered Williams awsome performance in comparrison to mannings big game performances. He certainly isnt the topic here.
posted by RZA at 03:48 AM on January 09, 2006
I hope this happens every year to both Mannings!
posted by ADDNJDMAD at 05:52 AM on January 09, 2006
It's time most knucklehead fans woke up to Brady (10-0 in the playoffs with 3 rings working on 4)whose stature will grow after the fact -- much like putting a Presidential admnistration into historical perspective after his years in office. Please explaim to me how Brady finished second to P.Manning last year in the MVP voting because "Manning had the better numbers even though Brady had the wins," and this year, Brady finishes behind Manning because "Manning had the wins, even though Brady had the better numbers." Huh? And by the way, it's Bill BeliCHICK, not Bill BeliCHECK.
posted by rockamora at 06:00 AM on January 09, 2006
Want to tell us who you did mean, RZA? Or did you just think no one would call you on the Doug Williams comment? Kinda sucks you assumed he was a running QB.
posted by yerfatma at 06:09 AM on January 09, 2006
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the big black cats' upcoming trip to Chicago. The Bears don't suck on defense, and they've already beaten the Panthers once during the regular season, so hopefully Fox and Co. will be better prepared the second time around. I'll agree they don't have the flashiest, most exciting offense around, but isn't a boring win better than a showy loss?
posted by alumshubby at 07:11 AM on January 09, 2006
I dont think i can blame Eli for everything, he was under constint pressure, and that defense SUCKED, i cant remember when the last time i saw so many missed tackles, they were not into this game, and not prepared for Carolinas intensity. Next week against the Bears should be a great defensive game, I still like Carolina and there expierence. I do believe Eli will come into his own, hes still young and learning, he got a lesson yesterday for sure. I remember watching Archie, I never thought he was that good anyway. I do wish the Giants well next year, they just werent good enough, or ready for it this year
posted by jlimm1959 at 07:25 AM on January 09, 2006
Tiki Barber torches me all year and I lose my fantasy leage by 20 points. The one game I want to see him do well... (Any chance Peyton might look like his brother next week?...yeah, didnt think so)
posted by steelcityguy at 08:19 AM on January 09, 2006
Just a couple of quick comments here. E. Manning isn't a rookie this year as a few stated above. Just because he plays like a rookie doesn't mean he is one. I made the comment at the start of the season that "My Giants are the only team I know of who would sign a QB because his brother is good". I received a lot of comments that I was all wet - that Eli had some super talent. His best talent seems to be hiding all his talent. I love my Giants, but they do suck.
posted by drevl at 09:18 AM on January 09, 2006
The real difference maker for Carolina was without a question Nick Goins. Foster and Delhomme were great but Goins was the playmaker. GO PANTHERS
posted by brmbuyer at 09:20 AM on January 09, 2006
When is the last time the quarterback was the difference in a Superbowl anyways? You haven't watched many Superbowls, have you?
posted by fabulon7 at 09:47 AM on January 09, 2006
If you can win Playoff games with a Rook or 2nd year QB you are upsetting the balance of the NFL!!!! I remember a young Peyton getting the wild card, having a better record than the Jets, and still playing in the Meadowlands. They had "it" handed to them. Just like the Jags, Bengals, and Giants. It's the way it is, the way it was, and the way it will be!!
posted by tmart937 at 09:48 AM on January 09, 2006
Yeah, that's great, tmart937. Tell it to Tom Brady.
posted by chicobangs at 10:13 AM on January 09, 2006
posted by footballpimp_92 at 10:14 AM on January 09, 2006
When is the last time the quarterback was the difference in a Superbowl anyways? You haven't watched many Superbowls, have you? I had the same question. I also wonder how many QB MVPs there have been and the ratio to other positions. Off hand I'm thinking Montana, Young, Elway, Warner, Aikman, Bradshaw were MVPs to just name some. Could be wrong. Maybe somebody has a list...
posted by STLCardinalfan at 10:44 AM on January 09, 2006
I noticed that was your 1st post here. Any thoughts on the topic? Or just disecting me again? And i wont mention that you didnt offer the stats of the other QB's i mentioned. Well, I guess I could have also mentioned that Fran Tarkenton only had 6 rushes for 31 yards in 5 playoff games, but I didn't want you to get the impression that I was picking on you. Oops. Any thoughts on the topic? Hmm. Giants stunk and I picked them to win the game. That's pretty much it. That's why I didn't post anything before. It wouldn't have contributed much to the discussion (other than noise). However, when someone goes off on a flawed rant about quarterbacks, I tend to look at the evidence presented. In this case, half of your examples were misrepresenting your point (running QBs in big games). So, to make sure no one else is incorrectly swayed by the false evidence, I pointed out the flaw. In the end, I think of Peyton Manning as an excellent quarterback. Sure he's only won 3 of 8 games in the post-season, but he's handled himself pretty well: 284 pass attempts 171 completions (60%) 2171 yards 14 TD 8 Int 10 rushes 32 yards 2 TD
posted by grum@work at 11:27 AM on January 09, 2006
20 times a quarterback was named Super Bowl MVP. 7 times a running back was named Super Bowl MVP. 4 times a wide receiver was named Super Bowl MVP. 2 times a defensive end was named Super Bowl MVP. 2 times a linebacker was named Super Bowl MVP 2 times a safety was named Super Bowl MVP. 1 time a cornerback was named Super Bowl MVP. 1 time a defensive tackle was named Super Bowl MVP. 1 time a kick returner/punt returner was named Super Bowl MVP.
posted by STLCardinalfan at 11:51 AM on January 09, 2006
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posted by STLCardinalfan at 11:58 AM on January 09, 2006
There's no way Larry Brown deserved to be the Super Bowl XXX MVP. That award should have gone to Quarterback Neil O'Donnell.
posted by rcade at 12:17 PM on January 09, 2006
RZA neither of your post have been on topic so keep your rants about manning somewhere else.
posted by acesrt132 at 12:52 PM on January 09, 2006
Give me a healthy D. Mcnabb over P manning anyday in a big playoff game. Did you happen to watch the last Super Bowl? Three interceptions, plus a lost fumble and another interception that were called back. Zero yards rushing on one attempt. Four sacks, at least a couple from holding the ball too long and not scrambling. Absolutely no time management at the end of a very winnable game.
"He didn't get a play call in one time. He mumbled and Freddie Mitchell yelled out the play we were trying to bring in. He was puking at the same time, trying to hold it in." -- Eagles center Hank Fraley, on the Eagles last drive
posted by cl at 02:10 PM on January 09, 2006
"He didn't get a play call in one time. He mumbled and Freddie Mitchell yelled out the play we were trying to bring in. He was puking at the same time, trying to hold it in." -- Eagles center Hank Fraley, on the Eagles last drive Sure sounds like the QB I want taking my team the distance in crucial situation. Yes the panthers looked awfully good but think about it. Bears defense healthy = D.Foster looking human again. Bears 17 Panthers 10
posted by sadsadcubsfan at 02:36 PM on January 09, 2006
My playoff picks: SEA def. WSH CAR def. CHI Think we might get a rematch of S.B. XXXVIII, this time in Detroit. Too bad no Janet Jackson. BTW, the Saints have offered MArtz the job, and he is going to say no. Looks like only the Fresno State head dog wants the job, and he'll get it. Dom Capers has gotten a job elsewhere, no idea where.
posted by Joe88 at 02:47 PM on January 09, 2006
Joe88- you're too late for week 1 so you'd be starting out behind on cumulative points, but we run an annual NFL Playoffs pick 'em. Look for the post in the locker room in the next day or so, and the rules as well.
posted by hincandenza at 03:28 PM on January 09, 2006
i say that the panthers/bears game this weekend will definatley be a low scoring game, no doubt about that. but in the end, the panthers have the better offense than the bears and that is what is goin to get them past sunday. compare grossman to delhomme, there is none, delhomme has been here before and did one heck of a job. the only thing that the bears have is their defense, and they will have a challenge with goings, and foster. and lets not forget that they didnt do to well against smith, they kept him out of the endzone, but he had over 100 yds. rec.
posted by pantherphan at 04:43 PM on January 09, 2006
There's no way Larry Brown deserved to be the Super Bowl XXX MVP. That award should have gone to Quarterback Neil O'Donnell. posted by rcade at 12:17 PM CST on January 9 Agreed, The Brown family fortune was established on two sofballs that O'Donnell lobbed into the flat. Brown takes them both to the house and the MVP and a huge contract the next year.
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 10:11 PM on January 09, 2006
Super Bowl XXII 1988 Quarterback Doug Williams Washington Redskins The greatest 2nd quarter ever! Now that Leftwich is gone, somewhere Doug Williams pops a silent cork on a bottle of champagne.
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 10:15 PM on January 09, 2006
Here you go pantherphan incase you forgot ....just a little reminder....If don't feel like reading click the video link it's much faster!
posted by Grrrlacher at 11:07 PM on January 09, 2006
That John Kasay field goal was an amazing display of offense by Carolina. Ditka-147 Panthers-0 Da Bears!
posted by sadsadcubsfan at 09:15 AM on January 10, 2006
A Bears fan criticizing somebody else's offense? Now, there's the absolute height of irony.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 02:21 PM on January 10, 2006
wow its amazing one game, where panthers play a pretty good game and everyone is expecting them to win agaisnt bears. it is true that panthers killed gaints but gaints ranked 21th defense compared to nfl's best defense what happened last time they played. thier offense wont win them the game last game: delhomme had no touchdowns delhomme was being knocked around left and right by the ends smith no touchdowns and no running game. Thats what i predict 17-6
posted by Midwaymonster at 08:07 PM on January 10, 2006
He didn't get a play call in one time. He mumbled and Freddie Mitchell yelled out the play we were trying to bring in. He was puking at the same time, trying to hold it in." -- Eagles center Hank Fraley, on the Eagles last drive Sure sounds like the QB I want taking my team the distance in crucial situation. Well, not over Brady or Manning. I would have to take Mcnabb over every other QB in the league. You can compare statistics like 7 years in league,5 consecutive pro bowls, 5 consecutive playoff trips with at least one win( joining only Stabler, Aikman and Favre ), 4 consecutive NFC championship games, 3 consecutive NFC best records, 1 NFC championship and top 5 winning percentage alltime. I think I'll keep Donovan over what ever the Bears line up at QB, Brunell and Hasselback are not the same caliber. If Jake D takes the Panthers all the way. I might give him the nod over Dmac...Maybe
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 10:02 PM on January 10, 2006
I have STILL never seen a Manning win a really big game (and not throw several interceptions during the course). If the Colts go out this season after a brutal display by Peyton, then this type of performance just may be the way it's meant to be for the family. And, no, this is not to say all the interceptions today were totally Eli's fault. One team was ready, prepared to play, and the other definitely was not.