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November 10, 2006
Yanks talk with Tigers about Sheffield: Gary Sheffield has resumed his campaign to interfere with the Yankees' plans to trade him, but it's not going to work. In fact, there were indications yesterday the Yankees had made progress toward sending Sheffield to the Detroit Tigers.
posted by wingnut4life to baseball at 10:43 AM - 43 comments
I thought Sheffield didn't want to play 1B anyway? God knows it's not his strength by any means.
posted by jerseygirl at 11:05 AM on November 10, 2006
sheff won't play first base for the yankees, so I doubt he's interested in playing first for anyone.
posted by Tbonez at 11:49 AM on November 10, 2006
I was hoping sheffield would get a chance at first for the yankees. He was pretty good, 'cept those times the ball would just bounce off his glove on a routine play.
posted by justgary at 12:01 PM on November 10, 2006
Reports out of Chicago had "Uncle Lou"and the Cubbies inquiring about Sheff for left field.I guess that Matt Murton's above 300 BA,and more than decent glove aren't as good as 30 HR's.But I'm afaid that deal would involve Carlos Zambrano wearing pin stipes as well. Not worth the aggrevation CUBBIES.
posted by Tubby Fan at 12:49 PM on November 10, 2006
As a Tig's fan, I question this move. We were that close to winning it all. Pitching is key. Yanks had the best lineup and were eliminated early. ......However, in Leyland I trust. (can we get Arod too?)
posted by Bill Lumbergh at 01:00 PM on November 10, 2006
We aren't sharing Arod. But i'll give to your charity case Sheffield. I want some of that pitching though. VERLANDER!
posted by yachts360 at 01:41 PM on November 10, 2006
I want some of that pitching though. VERLANDER! Won't happen. There is no way in hell they will trade Verlander. If they do, I'll pack up my things and join a monastery. I thought Sheffield didn't want to play 1B anyway? I would think that if this deal goes through, the Tigers will play Sheffield in right field and move Magglio Ordonez to the DH spot. That's providing Sheffield is a decent right fielder, if he isn't I'm not exactly sure what their plans are. I don't think it would be smart to have Sheffield at first base, but who knows.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 02:14 PM on November 10, 2006
I can settle for Bonderman. Anything is better than the old gessiers that we have in NY.
posted by yachts360 at 02:32 PM on November 10, 2006
a deal seems to have gone through.
posted by goddam at 02:38 PM on November 10, 2006
BREAKING NEWS Tigers get Sheff, Yanks well they get a whole load of crap. 3 RHP nonames.
posted by yachts360 at 02:42 PM on November 10, 2006
Tigers get Sheff, Yanks well they get a whole load of crap. 3 RHP nonames. just because you haven't heard of humberto sanchez, doesn't mean he's a no-name. he's one of the tigers top pitching prospects. i like this deal.
posted by goddam at 02:52 PM on November 10, 2006
We'll see. I hope your right.
posted by yachts360 at 02:59 PM on November 10, 2006
Some good young Guns I hear they got. A starter and 2 Closers who played in the Minors. Not to Bad.
posted by yachts360 at 03:26 PM on November 10, 2006
just because you haven't heard of humberto sanchez, doesn't mean he's a no-name. he's one of the tigers top pitching prospects. i like this deal. I'm not sure what to think on this deal. I'm glad they acquired Sheffield since they needed a big bat and I think he can provide that. However, anytime a team trades pitching prospects for an old player one needs to be wary. I really hope this trade doesn't end up to be similar to when the Tigers traded away a young John Smoltz.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 03:31 PM on November 10, 2006
I really wish that we wouldn't have given up Sanchez. I could have lived with losing Bonderman, but Sanchez is a diamond in the rough.
posted by wingnut4life at 04:28 PM on November 10, 2006
A look at this article from ESPN gives the minor league stats of each of the players. This seems like a really good deal, that has a great amount of potential for the Yankees. A worn out, outspoken outfielder nearing 40, for 3 legitimate prospects. A great sign and trade deal by the Yankees.
posted by Kendall at 04:49 PM on November 10, 2006
I really wish that we wouldn't have given up Sanchez. I could have lived with losing Bonderman, but Sanchez is a diamond in the rough. Possibly. One of the problems with minor league pitchers is nobody knows how they will turn out. Being a Tiger fan, I'm sure you have heard of Kyle Sleeth. I think he is a good example of pitching prospects that don't turn out.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:09 PM on November 10, 2006
Seriously, if you thought they were going to even get Bonderman for an end-of-the-road Sheffield who broke down last year... I really want some of that shit you're smoking. Seriously. It has to be awesome. Sanchez is a potential Verlander. This was a great deal for the Yankees (and the Tigers, for sure - Sheff, if healthy can hit - and they didn't lose anyone off the ML roster). They weren't REALLY going to have Sheffield play first for a whole year.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 05:12 PM on November 10, 2006
BREAKING NEWS Tigers get Sheff, Yanks well they get a whole load of crap. 3 RHP nonames. I'm thinking John Smoltz was a noname when traded for Dour Doyle Alexander. If I were a Tiger fan, I would be afraid, very afraid of the ramifications of this trade a few years down the line.
posted by tommybiden at 06:00 PM on November 10, 2006
I only said Bonderman because it was mentioned that he might be trade-bait this year. But hey, it was some good shit, Weedy.
posted by wingnut4life at 06:02 PM on November 10, 2006
I wasn't crazy about it at first, but in thinking about it for a while, Detroit may just have the same "calming" effect that it had on one Rasheed Wallace. We all know what we got in that deal, so just wait and see. Something tells me that a t worst case(for 2007 ayt least) I see the 3 and 5 hitters (Mags and Pudge) having a great year. Anyway, now there really isn't anyone to pitch around...I mean 8 of the 9 don't scare you to death, but anyone of them can be hot at the right time and bite you. It is all good, but no good unless we win it all in '07.
posted by sydney2006 at 08:00 PM on November 10, 2006
This is not a good deal for Detroit. Sheffield at 39 is way past his prime. For him Detroit gave up 3 top pitching prospects. We all know pitching is the name of the game. There are plenty of power hitters available. It looks like Detroit is desperate to win next year...never a good strategy.
posted by sickleguy at 08:05 PM on November 10, 2006
The Tigers have a history of trading away pitching and having it come back to bite them on the ass. I hope this isn't going to be another example. A healthy Sheff could really help them in '07 and maybe even '08, but I don't see it going much past that. Of course, I thought the Gambler was pretty well used up when they got him. Who the hell knows how this will turn out?
posted by ctal1999 at 08:27 PM on November 10, 2006
Wow, the Yankees trade a star power-hitter for minor-league arms! Sounds like the bizarro world! Seriously, I'll miss Sheffield because he did nothing but produce, big-time for the Yankees every season except last year. He was also a well-liked guy who ended up fitting in well. That being said, you obviously never really know what you have in young, unproven arms, but in the Yankees situation, we're willing to take our chances. It sounds as if Cashman and the rest of the Yankees brain trust are finally looking to build with young guys, seeing as how they are starting to hang onto their own young players recently, too.
posted by dyams at 08:52 PM on November 10, 2006
It sounds as if Cashman and the rest of the Yankees brain trust are finally looking to build with young guys Maybe so, but this deal doesn't really prove that. The yankees had to move sheffield. They have no place for him, and he would have turned into a major problem this season. So who could they get? He's too old to get an established pitcher, so you have to take prospects, who, no matter how highly prized, can be a shot in the dark. In other words, it might end up a good trade for ny, it's too early to tell, but this was not only the right trade, it was basically the only one that made sense for ny.
posted by justgary at 11:05 PM on November 10, 2006
I think it's a good deal for the Tigers. It looks to me like Mike Ilitch is following the same pattern that got the RedWings back to the cup round so many times. A solid core of homegrown type young talent, with free agent type superstars scattered in. Looks like a winning combination of youngsters and vets. As for the pitching loss, they already have some great pitching and needed the bat, so they give up some farm club talent who may or may not be able to make it in the show, for a hitter they know will. Now if Ilitch would find it in his heart to buy the Lions and do the same thing then Detroit would be a 4 season sports town again.
posted by commander cody at 02:35 AM on November 11, 2006
I'm not going to miss Sheff. Next up Barry Zito. Cashman get on the phone!
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posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 10:48 AM on November 11, 2006
lol! Is jerseygirl the gatekeeper or the keymaster?
posted by commander cody at 02:33 PM on November 11, 2006
I shocked that Datroit would go for Sheff. instead of testing the free agent market. The could have went after Carlos Lee or Alfonso Soriano or top free agents. Sheff good but old.
posted by msusportsguy at 02:46 PM on November 11, 2006
Yankee fans saying they won't miss Sheffield, others saying he's way past his prime? I realize it can happen fast, but Sheffield isn't exactly John Kruk. He's in fantastic shape, and after he has a full off-season to rehab his wrist, he'll be a great addition to Detroit. This "past his prime" player, in a little over two previous seasons he played, combined, had 76 homers and 269 RBI, while batting .290. He's still a tough out. I'm sure the Tigers would have had to pay a lot for Carlos Lee, and Soriano, while a great, great talent, let's not forget his attitude a year ago when the Nationals aquired him.
posted by dyams at 03:12 PM on November 11, 2006
Is jerseygirl the gatekeeper or the keymaster? Neither. I think she just enjoys putting the smackdown on trolling n00bs.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 03:13 PM on November 11, 2006
Soriano, while a great, great talent, let's not forget his attitude a year ago when the Nationals aquired him. Sheff is not Mr Attitude himself.
posted by qbert72 at 04:25 PM on November 11, 2006
One worry about Humberto Sanchez is his durability. In his relatively young minor league career he has already had extended injuries (elbow, oblique, groin). But even so, he does become one of the Yankees top prospects immediately.
posted by MPeter at 05:43 PM on November 11, 2006
Sheff is not Mr Attitude himself. I just re-read that story containing Sheffield's comments, and I'm not sure everything he says doesn't ring true. The comments about the media circus, the lack of family, the lack of trust and bonding, all that are things I believe have added to the Yankees' problems putting it all together. They don't seem to really hang with each other, and, as so many on Sportfilter have said, the media DOES build Jeter up as a god. While his comments may have been a bit too much of the truth (as he sees it), he didn't throw a fit about moving to a different position and cause a complete ruckus when the team was trying to start the season on a good note, like Soriano did with the Nats. People seem to forget (due to the big numbers he ultimately put up) that Soriano was being shopped around all over during the first half of last season.
posted by dyams at 07:36 PM on November 11, 2006
Tigers get Sheff, Yanks well they get a whole load of crap. 3 RHP nonames. posted by yachts360 at 2:42 PM CST on November 10 Some good young Guns I hear they got. A starter and 2 Closers who played in the Minors. Not to Bad. posted by yachts360 at 3:26 PM CST on November 10 Awesome.
posted by yerfatma at 02:50 PM on November 12, 2006
The yachtman changed his mind.
posted by dyams at 03:17 PM on November 12, 2006
Well, when the winds change, you adjust. I think it's called tacky...er, tacking.
posted by ctal1999 at 04:46 PM on November 12, 2006
Wow, the Yankees trade a star power-hitter for minor-league arms! Sounds like the bizarro world! That being said, you obviously never really know what you have in young, unproven arms, but in the Yankees situation, we're willing to take our chances. Dyams, how are the Yankees taking any chance by trading Gary Sheffield? They picked up the team option that Sheffield had agreed to in the beginning of his contract. It was quite obvious that the Yankees have no room for Gary, but they picked up his option because they knew teams were interested in him. This was a sign and trade deal, so really the yankees can do nothing but prosper. They get 3 talented pitchers for the price of nothing. If they had just let Sheff walk out, they wouldn't have any of these guys, so im not sure what you mean by saying that Yankees took a "risk". They signed and traded Sheffield instead of letting him walk out the door, and in the process, made sure that he didn't go to the AL East- great move all around by the Yankees, but I still don't see how it's a gamble or "taking a chance".
posted by Kendall at 02:15 PM on November 13, 2006
I still don't see how it's a gamble or "taking a chance". Because they still might end up with nothing for Sheffield, no matter where he goes. Until those three pitchers start racking up wins, they haven't done anything yet. As a Yankees fan, I'm assuming you've heard of this guy? Every signing in professional sports is a risk.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:23 PM on November 13, 2006
Dyams, how are the Yankees taking any chance by trading Gary Sheffield? The only chance is that these guys they picked up may never play for the parent club. I realize why they picked up the option on Sheff and what they were doing, and I thought all along they'd get rid of him. I was only saying that Sheffield played great in his few years in New York. It was an obvious move for New York, though, and I'm glad to see them going for some young arms. Or, like TBH said.
posted by dyams at 05:50 PM on November 13, 2006
Suddenly, I'm picturing Bonderman in pinstripes... The Evil Empire is interested in pitching, and the Tigers are interested in a power hitting first baseman, so it seems like a done deal, right? I'd rather have Nomar, personally.