May 14, 2006

Brown's Dream Job With Knicks Could Be History: Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan, who's upset over Brown's record and the coach's public criticism of his players, is considering buying out the final four years of the coach's contract, the New York Daily News and New York Post reported in Sunday's editions.

posted by wingnut4life to basketball at 02:31 PM - 41 comments

I won't lie when I say that I hate strongly dislike Larry Brown regardless of the fact that he did win a championship in Detroit. The way he left was classless and the way it was handled was stupid. I wished him good riddance when he left and was glad to see him fizzle in New York. His coaching style combined with the utter mess Thomas created was a recipie for disaster and I'm glad he's ended up with the final product. Larry Brown, I hope you enjoy your wrongly earned money from bought out contracts by buying a massive TV in order to watch your old team, the Pistons, go all the way with out you.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 02:39 PM on May 14, 2006

I just had to post this. I've never been a big Larry Brown fan, and just love life's Perfect Circle. He has been burning too many bridges in the past, and it's getting ready to bite him in the ass.

posted by wingnut4life at 02:40 PM on May 14, 2006

sum up brown's career as head coach a circle, that circle being a big fat zero.

posted by joep at 02:55 PM on May 14, 2006

I am not a Larry Brown fan, but I have to admit that Brown is not stupid. Not terribly loyal, but not stupid. If he can take a $40 million buyout, sit on some beach in Fiji, keep his health, and not coach the misfit Knicks any more, why shouldn't he take it? He's burned too many bridges on other teams for anybody to want to take him again. And even if, despite Brown's health and history of contract fiascos, they did, he would probably just play them for saps and demand a multi-year contract despite his health, then take a quick buyout.

posted by roberts at 04:14 PM on May 14, 2006

Larry has always been a winner, going back to his ABA and college days. I think he will find a job that suits him, and if not, I hope he retires. He is a teacher as much as a coach, and perhaps his style doesn't wash anymore, but no one can deny that he has won at EVERY level of the game. How many of you know that he is the all-time ABA assist leader? Unfortunately, he can not teach the selfless style of play he used to play to the streetballers (AI, etc.), and maybe it is time for him to go. If he does, he will be gracious and well spoken as always, and the cesspool that is the NY Knicks will be worse for it.

posted by mjkredliner at 04:16 PM on May 14, 2006

Wow- this dosent seem likely, it would cost $40 mil just to terminate the deal, which is ALOT of money. They overpaid for Brown anyways, and now theyre REALLY paying for it. Thomas head coach? They'll be lucky to win 10 games next year- even though the actual team isn't terrible.

posted by redsoxrgay at 04:27 PM on May 14, 2006

Larry Brown is a GREAT basketball coach. The rest of it is all politics. He had one bad... ok, one horrendous season, but that does not mean he's not capable of making a team overachieve. Given the right timeline He could do excellent things no matter where he was coaching.

posted by everett at 05:53 PM on May 14, 2006

does this surprise ANYONE??? all he's done his whole career is carpet bag.

posted by tommybiden at 06:01 PM on May 14, 2006

What does that mean?

posted by everett at 06:20 PM on May 14, 2006

Make sure to send Isaiah Thomas with him. He's the one thats not worth jack shit.

posted by SALT at 06:30 PM on May 14, 2006

I would love to see Thomas as a head coach. He would destroy what is left of team. Isn't he still under investigation for sexual harresment? I would love to see the knicks fire Brown.Who would they hire? I tell you. Jack Shit--- That's Who.

posted by whodat at 07:58 PM on May 14, 2006

Larry Brown...sigh, when I think of him, I remember the LA/Philly Finals, the Detroit Pistons, and THIS fiasco that he put together. Isiah has some solid pieces, but its Brown's job to get them to work...apparantly it looks like neither guy was on the same page... And to think, the Knicks may let Isiah succeed Brown...well, then again, that MIGHT be enough...we'll see I still wanna see Francis/Marbury in the backcourt together though...should be at least entertaining...

posted by chemwizBsquared at 08:05 PM on May 14, 2006

So semiliterate, he had to post it twice...

posted by ajaffe at 08:05 PM on May 14, 2006

Yea- the team isnt that bad- they really have some good players and young guys. They just need a few more people, a center, and some motivation.

posted by redsoxrgay at 08:34 PM on May 14, 2006

Sorry been watching the cubs lately

posted by whodat at 09:31 PM on May 14, 2006

patience knick fans......kevin garnet and jermaine o neal are on their way

posted by jesusfreak at 11:05 PM on May 14, 2006

What???? I think there is a marginal chance that they might get one or the other, but to get both would be silly, and next impossible with their current roster. Who are they going to trade?

posted by everett at 11:10 PM on May 14, 2006

Please don't let him land in the most high profile coaching vacancy to date - my Sacramento Kings. He fits the owners' stated desire to hire a defensive coach. I'm really torn. His resume is hard to resist but his committment is so questionable.

posted by geekyguy at 11:49 PM on May 14, 2006

He left the Perfect job in Detroit and ended up with a belly full of ulcers in New York. Now Isaiah Thomas is going to be there coach. And we can see what kind of total fuck up Thomas really is. Remember the Pistons in the 80's didn't become a championship team until Joe Dumars came. And when Joe D became the president of the Pistons, he built the team they have now.

posted by The Toz at 12:21 AM on May 15, 2006

Brown's dream job: Get $50 million for coaching 1 year. I think that's everyone's dream job!!

posted by Big D Alexander at 05:57 AM on May 15, 2006

As a Knicks fan, I truly believe that if Thomas coaches the team, it could challenge the 72-73 Sixers' 9-73 record for futility. Seeing as though they're not going to be any good anyway, I say go for it!

posted by ajaffe at 07:48 AM on May 15, 2006

Yes, please Isiah - run this team right into the ground. Has there ever been a more predictable disaster? Just like the Steve Francis trade - you knew there was only one team that would trade for him, and they did. Just hilarious. Brown may have burned some bridges, but if y'all think he's a bad coach, then you don't know Jack Shit. Some of the criticism here is ridiculous. It is hardly Brown's fault that the Knicks are terrible. The only thing I can be critical toward's Brown is - he should have seen this coming. It is obvious that Larry is unconcerned with his legacy as seen by the general public. I see nothing wrong with that. Detroit has sour grapes? Meh.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:45 AM on May 15, 2006

Jermaine loves Isiah, so it might make sense for him to go to NY.

posted by Bill Lumbergh at 08:46 AM on May 15, 2006

I still wanna see Francis/Marbury in the backcourt together though...should be at least entertaining... What is so entertaining about two "shoot-first" guards playing in the same back court, remeber basketball is played with only one ball. One source told the newspaper that Thomas -- who coached the Pacers from 2000-2003 -- would be amenable to coaching the Knicks. Urge to kill rising, rising, RISING!

posted by HATER 187 at 09:08 AM on May 15, 2006

sounds like Urge Overkill to me. Girl, you'll be a woman soon...

posted by ajaffe at 10:12 AM on May 15, 2006

I completely agree with Ying Yang Mafia. Isaiah Thomas should have realized what kind of character he was getting after the sports nation watched Larry Brown's classless exodus from a proven championship team. I mean the guy actually made me feel bad for him for his "ailing health reasons". Come on, didn't he just try to pull the same stuff at the end of the season in New York?

posted by jenjamturley at 10:13 AM on May 15, 2006

Its actually a Neil Diamond Cover... Just Sayin...

posted by everett at 10:18 AM on May 15, 2006

Larry Brown is a classy guy. How could you say he is not, he is also a great coach. Isiah Thomas is the failure. Why aren't we talking about the classless moron Joey Porter. He is an incompetant loser and should be deported, he is the complete scum of the earth.

posted by tim at 10:33 AM on May 15, 2006

My guess, about why we are not talking about Joey Porter, is because this is a thread about Larry Brown and his position with the New York Knicks.

posted by everett at 10:50 AM on May 15, 2006

Everett, I know that! That was the first UO song that popped into my head, though. I went to college with Nash and Eddie...

posted by ajaffe at 10:59 AM on May 15, 2006

Larry is a great coach, but he had a slim chance when he came, and it's only gotten worse. Much worse. Isiah needs to go. To create that mess of a roster, you'd have to be trying to. There's no other way. Maybe they both still work for Detroit? Seriously, how can any sensible man make the deals he's made? What an idiot. The roster is wrecked beyond repair. It will take years to fix.

posted by Pabo at 11:01 AM on May 15, 2006

My guess, about why we are not talking about Joey Porter, is because this is a thread about Larry Brown and his position with the New York Knicks. But Joey Porter is so much more interesting than Larry Brown. Plus, if he does get deported then we can discuss what a great thing it is to have him out of the country and how Thomas should join him.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 12:25 PM on May 15, 2006

And how we deported a native-born citizen.

posted by yerfatma at 12:30 PM on May 15, 2006

We could throw him over that new wall that they are building! you know... with a trebuchet, or a super skateboard ramp, or...

posted by everett at 12:42 PM on May 15, 2006

you know... with a trebuchet

posted by yerfatma at 01:18 PM on May 15, 2006

Say, Didn't Isah coach the Pacers to a Finals one year?

posted by blakrain at 05:26 PM on May 15, 2006

Isiah Thomas has achieved his goal of building the worst franchise in the NBA. He has succeeded where others have failed. Scott Layden could only dream of the depths that Isiah has taken this team to. Ernie Grunfeld, that dimwit, embarrased himself and the city with his competence in assembling playoff basketball teams even after the departure of Patrick Ewing. Stop the hating and recognize that only a sinister brilliance could assemble a team so unwatchable. Think about it, Stephon and the Franchise on the same team. It is breathtaking work of genius. In all seriousness though, James Dolan is really the decay in the cavity that is MSG. He should be tied to the bike racks in front of Penn Station during rush hour and beaten with a rubber hose by every commuter that passes. Where have you gone Jeff Van Gundy...

posted by lovejones at 10:49 PM on May 15, 2006

Brown was definitely not the right fit at coach from the onset. Too many players with questionable work ethic and guaranteed contracts to fit his "hard work and discipline pays off" philosophy. However, to those saying that this team is wrecked beyond repair, this is far from true. They have a couple of great young pieces in Frye, Robinson, and Lee. These young players could use a little time to develop and after next season, the Knicks payroll is cut in half (Houston, Rose, Taylor, and Anderson all expire). While NY will still be among the higher payrolls in the league, they have shown that they are willing to spend, and having those young guns with good veteran talent will go a long way. They're clearly not there yet, but not as far as most people think. Of course, everything I've said will be offset by a terrible offseason move by Thomas that will ship out the expiring contracts for another long-term one.

posted by PublicUrinal at 10:55 AM on May 16, 2006

What expiring contracts?

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 11:37 AM on May 16, 2006

Wow, I definitely should have taken a few minutes to wake up before posting that and realized I sourced my information from HoopsHype of all places. Two of those contracts (Houston and Anderson) are already off the books. Regardless, after next season, Rose ($15,694,000, '05-'06) and Taylor ($9,100,000, '05-'06) expire, giving them quite a bit more cap flexibility. This time, source is (

posted by PublicUrinal at 12:48 PM on May 16, 2006

Say, Didn't Isah coach the Pacers to a Finals one year? Isiah didn't take Indy to the Finals. That was the Basketball Jesus. Two of those contracts (Houston and Anderson) are already off the books... Houston is still on the Knicks books. He retired for medical reasons (knee), but was not "amnestied" this past off-season, Jerome Williams was, so Allan still counts against the cap. Regardless, after next season, Rose ($15,694,000, '05-'06) and Taylor ($9,100,000, '05-'06) expire, giving them quite a bit more cap flexibility... While the Knicks may or may not retain Rose and Taylor, neither the McPaper, nor Hoopshype list Eddy Curry's 6 yr $60 M contract, or takes into account that even if Woods, Butler, or Barnes are not on the cap they will either need to be resigned or replaced. If they re-up at the minimum and the Knicks only exercise their options on the Rooks in '08, the Knicks are still over the cap, and thats without taking on a FA. At their current salary structure, and with the cap due to float between $52-60 Million the next few years, the Knicks might be under the cap in 2010, but thats only if they don't "trade up" their prospects for more "proven" commodities, which, given the current corporate culture of their front office, isn't going to happen.

posted by lilnemo at 03:14 PM on May 16, 2006

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