October 01, 2005

O.J. Signs Autographs at Horror Convention : How appropriate! I bet slasher movies are his favorite.

posted by willthrill72 to football at 09:32 AM - 62 comments

Never convicted of anything. Free to do what he wants. Having grown up around Buffalo, many people have wiped from their minds the fact he was probably one of the five most talented, graceful, athletic running backs ever to play the game. He toiled in Buffalo for some pathetic teams or he'd have been held in much higher regard, football wise. For the record, my top five running backs are 1) Jim Brown 2) Walter Payton 3) Barry Sanders 4) Gale Sayers 5) O.J. Simpson. This is NOT based on overall yards in a career, etc. but for all-out talent at the running back position.

posted by dyams at 10:20 AM on October 01, 2005

With the 10th anniversary of the verdict looming, PBS FRONTLINE will be featuring a new doc titled The O.J. Verdict this week (October 4 in most markets). Reflecting back about ABC Nightline's coverage ten years ago, host Ted Koppel says, "I felt a certain amount of embarrassment about doing it on a regular basis ... every time we did O.J. the ratings went up ten percent."

posted by the red terror at 10:25 AM on October 01, 2005

Simpson was not convicted criminally, but a civil jury found him responsible for the murders. That will be a sick spectacle when collectors line up for the chance to meet him. As someone who believes he committed those murders, I'm surprised that he hasn't cracked up by now from the weight of his deeds.

posted by rcade at 10:36 AM on October 01, 2005

I gues the guy needs to make a living somehow!

posted by daddisamm at 10:53 AM on October 01, 2005

Dyams-True, O.J. was never convicted (in an LA court, by the way) but most everyone in their right mind knows he was guilty of two brutal murders. Regardless of what he achieved on the football field, it does not speak to one's character or conscience. The things I truly find disturbing are what organizer would actually solicit O.J. to appear and those who would stand in line to get his autograph.

posted by willthrill72 at 11:08 AM on October 01, 2005

Thanks for the Frontline tip, the red terror. I'll be watching that one for sure.

posted by NoMich at 11:19 AM on October 01, 2005

So what if OJ is signing autographs at a horror conv. So much more IMPORTANT things in the world to worry about than OJ SIMPSON and what he's doing . He was a wicked RB though

posted by oldschool26 at 11:50 AM on October 01, 2005

Simpson was not convicted criminally, but a civil jury found him responsible for the murders. Only in the good ol' US of A would that type of verdict even be possible. It was horrible police work, embarrassing court work, and if someone is guilty of "two brutal murders" and never serves prision time, I don't see it making any sense at all. And for what "everyone" knows, I'd watch out for that type of statement. Everyone wants to think Nicole Simpson was some wholesome, stay-at-home, June Cleaver type mother, give me a break! Who really knows what she was involved in and with who.

posted by dyams at 12:15 PM on October 01, 2005

Are you suggesting that she had it coming to her, Dyams, or floating some speculation about the real killers?

posted by rcade at 12:33 PM on October 01, 2005

When I first saw this link, immediately I thought he had resurrected his acting career in some slasher flick.

posted by garfield at 12:41 PM on October 01, 2005

It was horrible police work, embarrassing court work, and if someone is guilty of "two brutal murders" and never serves prision time, I don't see it making any sense at all. Are you kidding me? The burden of proof is low enough in a civil trial that the jury would have to have been insane not to convict. And blaming the victim in the same paragraph? Nice one. Just typical O.J. Classless.

posted by justgary at 12:43 PM on October 01, 2005

The OJ deal really is part of our contemporary culture today. I can't believe its been ten years, I will definately watch the PBS Frontline on OJ. I don't wanna talk legal stuff I have a whole day to study that unfortunately. Nonetheless the OJ deal will definately be talked about for decades to come, everybody seems to have an opinion. I remember where I was on June 17, 1994.

posted by T$PORT4lawschool at 02:00 PM on October 01, 2005

I'm not saying she "had it coming to her." What I'm saying is she was obviously involved with many high profile individuals, ran around with some individuals with questionable backgrounds (I can't recall the name of her one friend that was called to testify, but it was also well-known, evidentally, that she was seriously involved with drugs), so until I see someone serve major prison time for the crime, I won't truly know 100 percent, who killed her. Neither will any of you unless you happened to be there.

posted by dyams at 02:39 PM on October 01, 2005

Wait, so Marcus Allen did it?

posted by yerfatma at 03:49 PM on October 01, 2005

so until I see someone serve major prison time for the crime, I won't truly know 100 percent There are innocent people on death row, so seeing someone "serve major time" doesn't prove it 100 percent. I won't truly know 100 percent, who killed her. Neither will any of you unless you happened to be there. Out of every prisoner convicted of murder how many do you think were actually witnessed by someone? That's just such a ridiculous thing to say. You're basically saying that only if someone is convicted will you believe 100 percent, and even then no one really knows unless you were actually there.

posted by justgary at 03:59 PM on October 01, 2005

I recall OJ stating that he wouldn't rest until the real killer(s) were found.... that he would pursue this until they were brought to justice. Has anyone asked him how things were progressing in that respect????

posted by Big Jim at 05:04 PM on October 01, 2005

Hey dyams, I get your point about Nicole not being a June Cleaver. If you play with a snake, your'e bound to get bit. She probably didn't realize how big of a snake the Juice was. There were allegations of drug use on her part and she was supposedly hanging out with some undesirables. I think once OJ felt he no longer had control of her, he lost it.

posted by Desert Dog at 05:24 PM on October 01, 2005

O.J. has run out of golf courses in search of the killers. He has now moved on to the next phase of his investigations: the horror convention circuit. He really should have started here. I fear the trail has turned cold.

posted by worldcup2002 at 05:27 PM on October 01, 2005

How about the fact that he gives a whole new meaning to the word " HAS BEEN" . What's he signing butcher knives? It is a horror show after all.

posted by volfire at 06:12 PM on October 01, 2005

Out of every prisoner convicted of murder how many do you think were actually witnessed by someone? That's just such a ridiculous thing to say. Way to take every word so literally. What I meant was you're still guessing about the guy's guilt or innocence just like everyone else. There's only three people who absolutely know, and two are dead. Evidentally, several people on this site know the REAL truth, though. You guys should have gotten on board and helped that brilliant prosecution team. The guy (O.J.) was so guilty, how did they let him go free? For all I know, he did it. But it's great to know so many guys in this world would be noble enough to spend their remaining years hunting down the killer of their former wives. You'd think with the rage OJ must have, he'd have gone to jail for something, seeing as how he went from a guy who would occasionally tussle with females to gutting a man and woman and nearly lopping their heads off. That's a serious, one-time loss of emotional control.

posted by dyams at 07:13 PM on October 01, 2005

http://josephbosco.com/wasz/0titlepgbadlieut.html Even though the media, from day one, made the case of OJ being the brutal killer, there are other ideas, such as the story from the link above. Truth be told, I thought for sure OJ would be convicted of this crime, but there could be other possibilities.

posted by dyams at 07:35 PM on October 01, 2005

People kill in the heat of the moment all the time, dyams -- especially domestic batterers. It's funny that you can state "for all I know, he did it" but you find the same speculation so distasteful coming from other people.

posted by rcade at 07:46 PM on October 01, 2005

The story you linked doesn't pass the smell test. It claims to have been a story pulled from Time magazine, but the way it's written is nothing like a news article that a national publication would run.

posted by rcade at 07:51 PM on October 01, 2005

I don't find it distasteful. I just know we live in a crazy world where some things aren't always as obvious as they may seem.

posted by dyams at 07:53 PM on October 01, 2005

What I meant was you're still guessing about the guy's guilt or innocence just like everyone else. There's only three people who absolutely know, and two are dead. I still have no idea what this proves. No one actually saw the crimes. We got it. It means nothing. People act like a circumstantial case is week, but there could be so many circumstances you would have no way to not convict. On the other hand you could have an eye witness and the defense could claim it was a case of mistaken identity. The guy (O.J.) was so guilty, how did they let him go free? This has been covered so many times on sportsfilter so I won't repeat myself. But you had police mistakes that threw doubt (for many) on the entire case. Throw in a racist cop, and there you have it. If you want to say the mistakes equal reasonable doubt, great. But I have trouble understanding anyone who claims he actually didn't do the crime. You'd think with the rage OJ must have, he'd have gone to jail for something, seeing as how he went from a guy who would occasionally tussle with females to gutting a man and woman and nearly lopping their heads off. That's a serious, one-time loss of emotional control. Occasional tussle with females? I think you mean 'beat his wife'. O.J. actually fits the profile perfectly. Violence and control issues with women in the past. One time loss of control? That's all it takes. But it's great to know so many guys in this world would be noble enough to spend their remaining years hunting down the killer of their former wives. That's what O.J. said he'd do. So take it up with him.

posted by justgary at 08:03 PM on October 01, 2005

Maybe O.J.'s just not up to this kind of investigation. After all, it does take a certain kind of man to hunt down his wife's killer.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 08:50 PM on October 01, 2005

"If the glove fits he must aquit 2"...... A true story about a bastard who gets away with murder AGAIN. Former football star who commits murder.... AGAIN. Will the forces of Sharpton and co. be enough to stop all forces of evil? -In Theatres Nov. 26-

posted by redsoxrgay at 09:41 PM on October 01, 2005

I'm trying to reconcile how dyams is the idiot here for saying it's possible someone else committed the murders (when Simpson was found not guilty) when the rest of you say with absolute certainly he did it (when Simpson was found not guilty). Isn't there just a sliver of a chance the jury might have been right and you might be wrong? Here's a link with some information about Nicole Simpson-Brown and her lifestyle in the weeks and months shortly before the murders: CNN story I introduce it just to show that there are other possibilities out there, and to show that one possibility was completely shut out of the civil trial. Draw your own conclusions.

posted by wfrazerjr at 11:03 AM on October 02, 2005

Thanks, wfrazerjr. Finally someone with the ability to think beyond the media circus this event was. I was honestly waiting for your take on this, because reading your past posts, I thought you'd see it as, at least, a possibility.

posted by dyams at 11:27 AM on October 02, 2005

It's pretty obvious people did not look at the evidence. The evidence proved o. j. was guilty without doubt. Nicole didn't pay her drug bill. The evidence of blood drops were were planted by the police. OJ kids one day will tell the true what happen. It sure is strange how the phone company lost the information that would have cleared OJ. Then you have the pathetic media convicted a man before the trial. Oj didn't do it without a doubt. One day America will wake up.

posted by jwatkins500 at 11:41 AM on October 02, 2005

I'm trying to reconcile how dyams is the idiot here ... Your summary of this discussion is misleading. Prior to your post, I challenge you to find anyone who expressed "absolute certainty" of Simpson's guilt, aside from one post that might be satire. And no one called Dyams an idiot. You're not extending to others the right to have an opinion in this matter unless they believe him to be innocent. Neat trick.

posted by rcade at 12:18 PM on October 02, 2005

I'm taking the aggregate response to dyams, rcade. The entire community here seems to get incensed when someone mentions that Simpson wasn't convicted. Here are a few examples from this discussion and a previous thread: most everyone in their right mind knows he was guilty But I have trouble understanding anyone who claims he actually didn't do the crime. The evidence proved o. j. was guilty without doubt. there's a very logical reason why despite all his insistence that his priority is hunting down the supposed "real killer" of the mother of his children, OJ Simpson has no real interest actually carrying out that priority, and deep inside, you know what that reason is. I did watch the trial, and every detail has come out over the years. There is no "nuance" left unturned. There's nothing the jury saw that I haven't. So, taken as a whole, everyone knows everything about the case there is to know, and anyone who doesn't agree Simpson is guilty is either stupid or mentally ill.

posted by wfrazerjr at 02:36 PM on October 02, 2005

who cares wat oj doin hes one of the best rb

posted by defrag3x at 04:04 PM on October 02, 2005

to all o.j. haters try putting the blame where it belongs on MARCIA CLARK, CHRISTOPHER DARDEN, AND THE RACIST COP A.K.A. MARK FURMAN. OJ was tried in a court of law by a jury of his peers and found not guilty!!!! As according to the U.S constitution is the way we do it here . Refer to the Bill of Rights. So please give it a rest !!!!!!!

posted by daktari at 04:39 PM on October 02, 2005

dfrag3x- Wow! Strong argument and so elegantly stated. u b rite who be carin. Your smarts far outshines mine. Go O.J.

posted by willthrill72 at 04:40 PM on October 02, 2005

You know it is just like those cops "DIDNT" be the hell out of RODNEY KING. Those cops went to trial and walked despite the whole thing being taped. Where the public outcry about that farce of a trial ??

posted by daktari at 04:46 PM on October 02, 2005

daktari- last time I checked, the DA or the police were not responsible for the murders, just botching the investigation and trial. I don't hate OJ, never really gave him two thoughts before the murders (with the exception of his AVIS commercials and his acting stint in Airplane!) Oh yeah, he played football too.

posted by willthrill72 at 04:48 PM on October 02, 2005

Those cops went to trial and walked despite the whole thing being taped. Where the public outcry about that farce of a trial ?? posted by daktari Are you joking? What could be more of a public outcry than rioting? Or did you miss that?

posted by justgary at 04:54 PM on October 02, 2005

I'm taking the aggregate response to dyams, rcade. Two of those are mine, and using them to back up your statement that we're calling anyone an idiot is comical. But I have trouble understanding anyone who claims he actually didn't do the crime. And I do. How much more sweeter could I have put that. I did watch the trial, and every detail has come out over the years. There is no "nuance" left unturned. There's nothing the jury saw that I haven't. What part of that is wrong? Trial of the century, right? That was in response to the claim that "we" weren't on the jury, so we didn't hear the whole case. I introduce it just to show that there are other possibilities out there, and to show that one possibility was completely shut out of the civil trial. Draw your own conclusions. So nicole brown was sexually adventurous? Am I missing something? Finally someone with the ability to think beyond the media circus this event was. posted by dyams Well that came out of no where. This has nothing to do with a media circus. It has to do with logic. Looking at the evidence and deciding for myself that the chances of O.J. not committing the crimes are extremely unlikely. But you're both right. Because I wasn't standing at the gate watching O.J. slash their throats, I could be wrong. Of course, people saw us land on the moon and many don't believe that either. So maybe O.J. was framed with a huge police conspiracy, by cops who barely knew each other. And the DNA guys were in on it too. And O.J. just happened to be late coming to the door. And the limo driver just happened to see someone run across the yard. And kato just happened to hear a bump at the back fence at the same time. And the glove was planted. And O.J. just happened to cut his hand on a glass the same night of the murders, and maybe domestic violence and jealousy isn't enough to push someone over the edge. Poor guy. I almost feels sorry for him.

posted by justgary at 05:13 PM on October 02, 2005

Again, maybe take a second to think beyond what seems to be so plainly obvious. The police wouldn't necessarily have wanted to frame O.J. for any particular reason. What they had to do was find SOMEONE guilty, whatever it took. Can you imagine how much worse this case would have made the LA Police look, with a world-wide audience watching, if they couldn't seem to pin the crime on someone? They needed a conviction, and OJ, whether he did it (which is extemely possible) or didn't do it, wasn't the point for them. One of the things that always bothered me most about the case was how utterly bloody and messy the crime scene was, but how all they could find in the vehicle, etc., was a few dots of blood. You'd think after he killed a fairly good-sized guy (in what was described as a serious struggle), then nearly chopped a woman's head off, he would have had blood all over himself from head to toe, getting all over everything. There were reasons he wasn't convicted in the initial trial, based on evidence gathered (or not gathered). Getting back to the original point of the story, though, I'm sure many individuals would want OJ's autograph, be it for his athletic accomplishments, or because he was involved in one of the most famous trials of the century.

posted by dyams at 07:33 PM on October 02, 2005

Yada Yada come on folks, when will this debate end. Did he or didn't he? Who cares. The question and debate that everyone should be talking about is, " Who will win the MLB World Series?

posted by nuipapa at 08:57 PM on October 02, 2005

Two words - "NOT GUILTY" That is all that truly matters. Do I think he did it? no, but I think he was involved in some form - hired the guy to kill them, or knows who really did it. Regardless, he was one of the best RBs to ever play the game. This OJ guilty or not guilty is right up there with the Jon Benet crap -- anyone care to chime in about that one now? lol So for the record, these are the top 10 questions we need answered and apparently, this is the site to get them answered: 1. Who killed Nicole? 2. Who killed Jon Benet? 3. Who killed Kennedy? 4. Who killed MLK Jr? 5. Where is Osama? 6. Is Elvis really dead, or is he delivering pizza in Georgia? 7. What happened in Roswell? 8. Are we really being affected by the "greenhouse effect"? 9. How did life begin on Earth? 10. What is the meaning of life? /sarcasm off

posted by Stealth_72 at 06:53 AM on October 03, 2005

The Guardian notes the 10th anniversary of the verdict. From the article: "Last year, on the 10th anniversary of the murders, he told Fox News that he was about to re-enter public life with a TV show in which he would pull practical jokes on unsuspecting victims. On a scale of one to 10, 'it's 7 or 8 that it's gonna happen," he said. It never happened.'" Who wouldn't want to be put into an unstable, uncomfortable situation and have O.J. Simpson spring out and surprise them? I'd watch that show.

posted by rcade at 07:17 AM on October 03, 2005

Yada Yada come on folks, when will this debate end. Did he or didn't he? Who cares. The question and debate that everyone should be talking about is, " Who will win the MLB World Series? Some individuals need to read the topics a bit better prior to clicking on one. If you don't like the topic, don't read it, and definitely, don't respond to it. It's a fairly simple concept if you think about it. Provided you have a fourth-grade reading comprehension level.

posted by dyams at 07:21 AM on October 03, 2005

Hey, no witness, no murder weapon and convictions get a little difficult. Especially with the combined GNP of Burma in defense council superstars. And that is all I will ever say on this totally retarded matter. A blight on society and our seemingless insatiable appeptite for celebrity. Seriously, it makes me do that wet burp thing in my mouth.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:13 AM on October 03, 2005

...using them to back up your statement that we're calling anyone an idiot is comical. The statement used to say dyams is being called an idiot was not yours. It was willthrill's. Here it is: ...most everyone in their right mind knows he was guilty ...and here's the definition of "idiot." idiot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-t) n. A foolish or stupid person. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. We're not in our right minds, apparently ... hence, idiots. There's nothing the jury saw that I haven't. Wow. So you sat and watched every single moment of the trial, could send questions to the judge and the attorneys for clarification and had access to examine the evidence close-up and at your own pace? Nevermind then -- I wasn't aware you were one of the 12 jurors on the case. So Nicole Brown was sexually adventurous? Am I missing something? I'd say you are, or you're just deliberately leaving out the main thrust of that coverage. Nicole Brown-Simpson at the very least was very close friends with people who had serious drug problems, and quite possibly had begun using herself. The fact she was sleeping with Faye Resnick and supposedly going for a threesome with her and Ron Goldman is irrelevant. Associating with people who might be in bad sorts with drug dealers isn't. Look, again, for the umpteenth time, I agree with you -- Simpson most likely did it. I'm just not 100% sure, and I think many people (perhaps not you, I don't know) just immediately accepted that Simpson did it, and that no other possible explanation even merited attention. I disagree with that.

posted by wfrazerjr at 10:12 AM on October 03, 2005

Wow. So you sat and watched every single moment of the trial, could send questions to the judge and the attorneys for clarification and had access to examine the evidence close-up and at your own pace? Nevermind then -- I wasn't aware you were one of the 12 jurors on the case. Come on now. All I'm saying is I paid enough attention, and read enough, that I'm not missing some piece of evidence that would make me question my opinion. Look, again, for the umpteenth time, I agree with you -- Simpson most likely did it. I'm just not 100% sure, and I think many people (perhaps not you, I don't know) just immediately accepted that Simpson did it, and that no other possible explanation even merited attention. I disagree with that. Well, then let's agree to agree. I have no problem with the not guilty verdict. i don't agree, but I understand. And I don't think someone who thinks O.J. didn't do it is an idiot. It just amazes me. But I'm amazed all the time.

posted by justgary at 11:06 AM on October 03, 2005

IN FAIRNESS TO O.J. (and getting back to the topic at hand...) he did ahem, star in a lot of movies such as "The Towering Inferno" (disaster flick) and "Capricorn One" (conspiracy suspense) that might marginally fall under the "horror" umbrella and his appearance signing autographs there might be tangetially appropriate, if somewhat in poor taste. He does, after all, have to make a living, and bankrolling his ongoing search for the REAL killer doesn't come cheap, especially when you can't find any PI's convinced of your innocence to do it pro bono. I almost forgot O.J. appeared in "Roots."

posted by the red terror at 11:24 AM on October 03, 2005

Rcade, willthrill72....get a clue.....As dyrams clearly pointed out..Nicole Simpson was not a Saint..She was known as a Cocaine User & Buyer.. It's interesting that your so angry at OJ,,, get angry at the LA Police for not calling out the Coroner to determine the time of death (Which is procedure in any state), instead assuming it was OJ...and relying on a Barking dog, along with A glove conveniently found below untouched cobwebs covering the scene.....And relying on a Loser like Kato... Why is it that everyone knew that OJ Simpson had issues in his first marriage, divorced after the death of a 3rd child, and married a 18 year old white woman. And at the end of the day, who has gain the most profit from this tragedy? Former Crack head & friend of Nicole - Faye who was paid big bucks for her "tell-All book, Denise Simpson... who as well is a former Cocaine abuser, and records show OJ helped her financially multiple times as well as her family business...Goldman father, who was not active in his son's life for quite some time...now playing sad father...where was he at when his son needed him growing up? And I certainly dont buy the Hero act, of Goldman traveling to Nicole house to return some Sun-Glasses...Please....Ice Cream & Bathwater...with candles lit...sends another message....more importantly the kids were at home...and did hear there mother's voice & a male voice that was not familiar.... What about the little amount of Blood found on a pair of socks, and drops of blood on the seats & steering wheel ...Please...you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know,that Golman & Nicole were stabbed multiple times & there should have been blood everywhere...Goldman was no Punk...he was in good shape & held several Karate Belts ....even the Foresnic Experts agree on this... We have so much negative crap going on ...we have young men & women dying in Iraq, children hungry & homeless due to the recent Hurricanes... And yes, I am in my right mind....I'm not a follower..I lead... I made my decision after reviewing the lack of evidence, and the way the witnesses who saw strange group of men in front of nicole's house....where treated like crap...they had nothing to gain ...only to tell what they saw & heard...Get over it.....

posted by gmkirk at 11:26 AM on October 03, 2005

The mind reels at what exists between the ellipses.

posted by yerfatma at 11:44 AM on October 03, 2005

O.K. So I do think some people are nuts.

posted by justgary at 01:40 PM on October 03, 2005

It says right on the package not to take the whole box of Sudfed at once. Its bad for you, man.

posted by chris2sy at 02:52 PM on October 03, 2005

oj killed nicole jon benet's parents killed her CIA killed kennedy and MLK osama is at your local 7 eleven elvis is dead there were aliens at roswell the greenhouse effect does exsist god created life and the reason we are here is to PARTY

posted by fade2244 at 03:25 PM on October 03, 2005

here's the complete guest list.

posted by garfield at 03:26 PM on October 03, 2005

Forensic experts could tell Ron Goldman knew karate? Damn, that kind of puts those punks on CSI in their place, doesn't it?

posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:12 PM on October 03, 2005

That guest list also has another Bills player on it.

posted by jojomfd1 at 06:59 PM on October 03, 2005

And did you see who it is?

posted by jojomfd1 at 07:00 PM on October 03, 2005

the chick from cabin fever is way hot didn't she play on that saturday morning tv show hang time where the girl plays on the boys basketball team. seeing her in a topless shot, pre teen dream come true.

posted by fade2244 at 10:10 PM on October 03, 2005

Kari from the old MTV show Remote Control was there, damn.

posted by jojomfd1 at 01:39 AM on October 04, 2005

That guest list also has another Bills player on it. Do you think he drove O.J. to the con?

posted by rcade at 07:48 AM on October 04, 2005

Holy crap, the con really does feature one A. J. Cowlings. That guy is the most loyal servant, like, ever. Remains of the Day, dude.

posted by the red terror at 08:23 AM on October 04, 2005

Dolemite's in the house!

posted by The_Black_Hand at 08:30 AM on October 04, 2005

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