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February 21, 2006
Olympic Hockey, Hockey, Hockey: Olympic Hockey, Hockey, Hockey: GameTime thread for the Final Day of Round Robin Play....... Can grum@work successfully pursue redsnare and the current Leader nomich?.... it's real tight with 15 players within 7.5 pts of the lead............Can skydivemom and rainbaby give chico a run for the costanza? Enjoy
posted by skydivedad to gametime at 09:03 AM - 143 comments
I can't believe Switzerland couldn't beat either Germany or Italy. Are they messing with our minds or what? Happy about the KAZ win, though, which brings me up a little bit. Still kicking myself about my foolish last 6 picks. I had 5 teams from Pool B moving on. Really bright.
posted by qbert72 at 09:07 AM on February 21, 2006
Switzerland couldn't beat either Germany or Italy Complete mystery, World Beaters against the North Americans then..........ppphhhhttt....against the rest!
posted by skydivedad at 09:12 AM on February 21, 2006
I think Finland has been the key to the pool standings so far. The median score for Finland from the pool members is 7.5, but NoMich and redsnare picked them for 11. Every Finland win gives them 3.5 points on the "field." Course, picking Finland high hasn't helped everybody ...
posted by Amateur at 09:13 AM on February 21, 2006
Hey Amateur, Do you have any more goodies from your "noodling" with the data base?
posted by skydivedad at 09:17 AM on February 21, 2006
Yah, um, I had Finland. I'll always have Finland. . .
posted by rainbaby at 09:24 AM on February 21, 2006
I never had Finland so I guess your screwed either way.
posted by skydivemom at 09:27 AM on February 21, 2006
skydivedad, I am working on a member ranking of participations (comments+posts+etc) per week. You are a strong contender for the title. But I have not quite got it worked out yet and I am paralyzed by the Olympics.
posted by Amateur at 09:29 AM on February 21, 2006
Hey, I'd like to poke around SpoFi's database too. Where do I sign up?
posted by qbert72 at 09:31 AM on February 21, 2006
yup! skydivemom says I talk to much... I'll slow down alot here when skydiving season cranks up again.........Yea, I'm also in an Olympic daze...... especially the hockey!
posted by skydivedad at 09:34 AM on February 21, 2006
They should offer the Finland game on another channel so we can go back and forth.
posted by skydivemom at 09:35 AM on February 21, 2006
Hey CAN vs. CZE..............
posted by skydivedad at 09:36 AM on February 21, 2006
I am so glad NBC didn't take "Who wants to be a Millionaire" off the air to show something stupid like an olympic hockey game.
posted by skydivemom at 09:37 AM on February 21, 2006
This bodes very well for the Swiss, as they don't have to play the mighty Italians again in the tournament. They're free to beat up on the Czechs and the Canadians right up to Podium Night. I laugh because I am dying inside.
posted by chicobangs at 09:38 AM on February 21, 2006
(qbert ... I just abused the web server using MATLAB to get the data. I never asked for permission. I assumed since it was all on the web that it was OK. The data are incomplete, but good enough for my purposes.)
posted by Amateur at 09:39 AM on February 21, 2006
Oh Goody! Nash Bridges is on USA. I am in heaven! What could be better than Don Johnson reruns.
posted by skydivemom at 09:39 AM on February 21, 2006
Wow Pronger... nice block without a stick.. sweet
posted by skydivedad at 09:40 AM on February 21, 2006
I like the line change by CAN so far......
posted by skydivedad at 09:41 AM on February 21, 2006
Nice Goal.............. 1-0 CAN Richards 7:37
posted by skydivedad at 09:45 AM on February 21, 2006
A goal! And a lead! I can't bring myself to cheer for the czechs, even though it would bring me back four points on the leaders. I'm out of it anyway.
posted by Amateur at 09:46 AM on February 21, 2006
In other action it is still 1-0 FIN over GER, looks like end of 2nd.
posted by Amateur at 09:47 AM on February 21, 2006
CANADA SCORED A GOAL! Start up the parade!
posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:49 AM on February 21, 2006
ST.- Louis Yes 2-0 CAN......... Open the floodgate
posted by skydivedad at 09:53 AM on February 21, 2006
Hey, I wonder if this little controversy could affect the pool standings significantly.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:53 AM on February 21, 2006
I'm wondering if we're going to find out that Tomas Vokoun has been sick this week or his dog died or something. I can't believe he's this shaky outside of a Predators jersey.
posted by chicobangs at 09:53 AM on February 21, 2006
That's a very interesting story, Dr. J. (BTW FIN 2 - GER 0, and we have seen what the Finns can do with a 2-0 lead. I think this one is over.)
posted by Amateur at 09:55 AM on February 21, 2006
What crap by the SWE coach. Thanks for the link DrJE.......
posted by skydivedad at 09:55 AM on February 21, 2006
I guess the question is what can CAN do with a 2-0 lead?
posted by skydivedad at 09:56 AM on February 21, 2006
Does Lecavalier shot this much with the Leafs? Just wondering.....
posted by skydivedad at 10:03 AM on February 21, 2006
Pronger on the long rebound..........nice 3-0 CAN
posted by skydivedad at 10:04 AM on February 21, 2006
They can score again with a 2-0 lead.
posted by skydivemom at 10:04 AM on February 21, 2006
c'mon rangers. get it going.
posted by goddam at 10:05 AM on February 21, 2006
Yeah, now the Swedes have to win, or else everyone starts asking some hard questions. (And Canada is pushing the Czechs around the ice like gorillas in baggage check.)
posted by chicobangs at 10:05 AM on February 21, 2006
Good morning goddam - welcome.
posted by skydivemom at 10:05 AM on February 21, 2006
Germany is on a pp.
posted by skydivemom at 10:20 AM on February 21, 2006
Now with 10 minutes in 3rd, Finland is on a pp.
posted by skydivemom at 10:22 AM on February 21, 2006
4 on 4 with Germany going back to 5 in about 30 seconds.
posted by skydivemom at 10:29 AM on February 21, 2006
15 minutes in period.
posted by skydivemom at 10:29 AM on February 21, 2006
I've put skydivewifey on the FIN report.....
posted by skydivedad at 10:32 AM on February 21, 2006
19:46 3rd period. Finland will finish with pp.
posted by skydivemom at 10:35 AM on February 21, 2006
Game over. Finland wins 2-0. Look out chico, I just gained 2 points on you in the costanza.
posted by skydivemom at 10:37 AM on February 21, 2006
i'm enjoying the games and the announcers so far, but it's got me wondering, where is gary thorne?
posted by erkno11 at 10:40 AM on February 21, 2006
Updated with the Finland win. May it be the last one.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 10:40 AM on February 21, 2006
the devils brass are holding their collective breaths right now on broduer.
posted by erkno11 at 10:43 AM on February 21, 2006
FIN has killed me in this........... 3-1 CZE
posted by skydivedad at 10:44 AM on February 21, 2006
21.5 point difference between 1rst and last. The field is really separating. What !? What happened to Marty?
posted by njsk8r20 at 10:46 AM on February 21, 2006
as I was saying FIN has killed me in this pool. SWE tanks today and you can stick a fork in my extremely thin outside chance.....
posted by skydivedad at 10:46 AM on February 21, 2006
he's still in the game, but he's moving gingerly on his knee
posted by erkno11 at 10:47 AM on February 21, 2006
Marty got a sore knee?
posted by skydivedad at 10:48 AM on February 21, 2006
Boy Sweden better show up today or I lose ground on the costanza. Hey what can I say - I am so far out of the lead and I have to shoot for something!
posted by skydivemom at 10:49 AM on February 21, 2006
Who ran him over or fell on him? I want names, numbers and addresses.
posted by njsk8r20 at 10:50 AM on February 21, 2006
Pretty much the entire CZE team has been rushing to the net, banging on Marty the whole game.......
posted by skydivedad at 10:52 AM on February 21, 2006
where is gary thorne? He didn't make the move to NBC/OLN with Clement and the others. It's too bad, too, 'cause I always enjoyed his style of calling a game.
posted by NoMich at 10:53 AM on February 21, 2006
Hey whaddya know, Canada woke up today. Looking good. Actually, looking like they might actually be having fun out there. Three goals will help that.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 10:54 AM on February 21, 2006
Well why doesn't Bertuzzi or somebody do something about it? Come on Canadiens, protect your goaltender.
posted by njsk8r20 at 10:56 AM on February 21, 2006
Wouldn't be surprised to see Luongo in the 3rd........
posted by skydivedad at 10:57 AM on February 21, 2006
Canadian defenceman Bryan McCabe, who hasn't looked comfortable in this tournament, takes a needless penalty in his own zone, wrapping up a Czech player by the head. McCabe goes off for holding. Sigh.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 10:59 AM on February 21, 2006
Any Dany Heatly sightings?
posted by skydivedad at 11:02 AM on February 21, 2006
Hopefully I'll have enough time to stop at Wendy's and make it home for the 3rd period.
posted by njsk8r20 at 11:08 AM on February 21, 2006
Marty didn't see that one 3-2 CAN
posted by skydivedad at 11:15 AM on February 21, 2006
never mind, did see it well........ turn-over nice save Marty
posted by skydivedad at 11:16 AM on February 21, 2006
DrJohnEvans would be happy to know McCabe just got another penalty.
posted by mkn at 11:27 AM on February 21, 2006
MFBLKSLKDJG##!@!!!
posted by DrJohnEvans at 11:31 AM on February 21, 2006
phew........ tight win..... CAN 3-2
posted by skydivedad at 11:43 AM on February 21, 2006
They said Bryan McCabe would have an effect on special teams, and they were right. Updated.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 11:44 AM on February 21, 2006
WOW. Bettman was wearing an ugly sweater. Also Canada won. Barely. They were lucky and they do not look good going into the quarters (save for Brodeur who, excluding that one weak goal, was stellar in the third keeping Canada ahead). They are going to have a hard, hard time against Russia or Sweden. sigh. Crappy win, but worse of all, look at me drop in the pool.
posted by mkn at 11:47 AM on February 21, 2006
Ugh! I'm 15pts behind the lead. I guess it is time to forget about the pool and just enjoy the hockey. Maybe we can do this again for the NHL playoffs so I don't have to wait 4 yrs to try and redeem myself.
posted by njsk8r20 at 12:43 PM on February 21, 2006
Still 0-0 SWE vs. SVK........... 10:00 1st
posted by skydivedad at 01:19 PM on February 21, 2006
We usually just do a straight pick 'em for the NHL playoffs, but the idea of a confidence points thingee is intriguing.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 01:20 PM on February 21, 2006
SVK 1-0 over SWE
posted by skydivedad at 01:30 PM on February 21, 2006
Wow, you guys gave the Devils alot of credit back then. Well as long as there is something, the format is not that important. However if there is confidence points thing perhaps we could try the (2) 1-8pts.
posted by njsk8r20 at 01:31 PM on February 21, 2006
well, we were the defending champs.
posted by Jeff Friesen at 01:33 PM on February 21, 2006
/wipes away Dr.Pepper dripping from nose.
posted by njsk8r20 at 01:36 PM on February 21, 2006
USA on PP 7:32 into 1st... lots of action in this one.............. 0-0
posted by skydivedad at 01:44 PM on February 21, 2006
We usually just do a straight pick 'em for the NHL playoffs, but the idea of a confidence points thingee is intriguing. Seconded.
posted by NoMich at 01:46 PM on February 21, 2006
mkn Front page comments down.... There is a thread here in the LR
posted by skydivedad at 01:46 PM on February 21, 2006
mkn, it is not just you.
posted by Amateur at 01:46 PM on February 21, 2006
WTF ..... Turn Over Breakaway 1-0 RUS... argh....
posted by skydivedad at 01:48 PM on February 21, 2006
RUS short handed 2-0 crap.......
posted by skydivedad at 01:50 PM on February 21, 2006
Missed that post, sorry. NICE GOAL. Go Russia -- you'll give me the most points. hah. I really, really hope Canada doesn't play the Russians in the quarters. That would be the worst possible matchup, I think. Not to mention a disappointment as that's the matchup that you'd want to see in the finals and it'd be a shame to see one of those teams leave empty handed.
posted by mkn at 01:51 PM on February 21, 2006
Stick a fork in me if USA and SWE lose today.......
posted by skydivedad at 01:53 PM on February 21, 2006
Mirtle has the run-down on quarterfinal seedings. Of course, we won't need a run-down in two hours, but since when were we the patient type? C'mon big fat 10-point Russia. Beat them 6-point USAers.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 01:58 PM on February 21, 2006
Rahlston on a rebound off a nice pass...... 2-1 RUS late 1st
posted by skydivedad at 02:03 PM on February 21, 2006
I think the one announcer is going to have a heart attack. He needs to breathe for a minute.
posted by skydivemom at 02:05 PM on February 21, 2006
Is that Doc Emerick?
posted by njsk8r20 at 02:10 PM on February 21, 2006
I think skydivedad is going to have one too!
posted by skydivemom at 02:17 PM on February 21, 2006
What's up with this from the NBC "in progress" site: 9:27 RUS KOROLYUK Alexander Even-handed 0 - 1 10:41 USA DRURY Chris Assists: GOMEZ Scott Short-handed 1 - 1 10:41 RUS MALKIN Evgeni Assists: KASPARAITIS Darius Short-handed 0 - 2 18:38 USA ROLSTON Brian Assists: CONROY Craig Power Play 1 - 2
posted by NoMich at 02:21 PM on February 21, 2006
NBC has their head up their ass again....
posted by skydivedad at 02:22 PM on February 21, 2006
1-0 SVK over SWE after 2nd......
posted by skydivedad at 02:23 PM on February 21, 2006
Florida Panthers announcer Dave Strader will call hockey. This is the only info I was able to find about the hockey announcers. They must not be very noteworthy announcers or I would think there would be more info on them.
posted by skydivemom at 02:28 PM on February 21, 2006
After consulting the standings it looks like I need the US and Slovakians to win. (don't know if it will do much for me though)
posted by njsk8r20 at 02:30 PM on February 21, 2006
3-1 RUS ........ I need a Tums.......
posted by skydivedad at 02:45 PM on February 21, 2006
PP Goal USA 3-2 RUS
posted by skydivedad at 02:53 PM on February 21, 2006
Holy former Senators, Batman! Hoss and Bondsy do it again.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 02:54 PM on February 21, 2006
That was such a marginal penalty call.
posted by mkn at 02:54 PM on February 21, 2006
if it's the US game chances are it's John Davidson and Emerick. they seem to have been handling the CAN and US games. Peter McNab (avalanche announcer) also does some games. i think he was calling the ITA/SUI game this morning.
posted by goddam at 02:55 PM on February 21, 2006
SVK now up 2-0 vs SWE. I'm gonna be 15 points behind NoMich at the end of round robin play.
posted by Amateur at 02:59 PM on February 21, 2006
Too bad you guys can't watch the CBC feed. Bob Cole and Harry Neale are often behind the plays by several feet, constantly miss action and have no idea who anyone's name is - yet somehow, inexplicably they're the best.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:00 PM on February 21, 2006
If these scores hold we get some High Blood Pressure match-ups tomorrow... CAN vs. RUS and SVK vs. CZE... Loser go home. Bring your own defibulator....
posted by skydivedad at 03:03 PM on February 21, 2006
SVK Goal 3-0 SVK over SWE Final....... USA vs. FIN......... SWE vs. SUI
posted by skydivedad at 03:08 PM on February 21, 2006
3-0 SVK wins over the game-throwing quitters.
posted by Amateur at 03:08 PM on February 21, 2006
So in other words, four out of my top five could end up playing each other in the quarters. I am so screwed.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 03:08 PM on February 21, 2006
Weedy is right. They're so bad, I'm just watching the game on SRC now. My French isn't as good as it could be, but at least I don't have to hear them anymore.
posted by mkn at 03:09 PM on February 21, 2006
unbelievable FIN and SVK go 5-0 Who woulda thought?.......
posted by skydivedad at 03:11 PM on February 21, 2006
Gionta got a goal, cool beans. S. Neidermayer used to be my favorite Devil. I haven't had a fave since he left but Brian is about to take it.
posted by njsk8r20 at 03:11 PM on February 21, 2006
Forsberg interview hhhmmmpphhh.... Smile when SUI mentioned as tomorrows opponent.
posted by skydivedad at 03:12 PM on February 21, 2006
Gionta is great. The "Little Giant" from Rochester.....
posted by skydivedad at 03:16 PM on February 21, 2006
Updated. A Russian win bumps me up a few spots and means I have an outside chance (SVK-CAN final!); a U.S. win throws me in the toilet.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 03:17 PM on February 21, 2006
PP USA ............ early 3rd
posted by skydivedad at 03:18 PM on February 21, 2006
Gionta got a goal, cool beans cool beans? are you from central jersey?
posted by goddam at 03:21 PM on February 21, 2006
YES>>>>>........... USA Scores... Gomez double deflection....3-3 tie
posted by skydivedad at 03:22 PM on February 21, 2006
A Russia-U.S. tie would leave me wandering forever the deserts of purgatory.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 03:24 PM on February 21, 2006
Oooh. The youngsters got a nice one for Russia.
posted by mkn at 03:31 PM on February 21, 2006
4-3 RUS crap
posted by skydivedad at 03:31 PM on February 21, 2006
I climbed 4 rungs but I'm still 14 pts behind the lead. are you from central jersey? Is it that obvious? Is it a bad thing?
posted by njsk8r20 at 03:31 PM on February 21, 2006
Score Cole.......... Yes 4-4 tie
posted by skydivedad at 03:33 PM on February 21, 2006
I can't take this crap 5-4 RUS...
posted by skydivedad at 03:35 PM on February 21, 2006
What the hell is Darius Kasparaitis doing on Russia's Olympic team? (Answer: probably mostly the same thing that Bryan McCabe is doing on Canada's.)
posted by DrJohnEvans at 03:36 PM on February 21, 2006
Is it that obvious? Is it a bad thing? well, that depends on what town you're from:-) no, i just havn't heard anyone say cool beans since i was in high school.
posted by goddam at 03:36 PM on February 21, 2006
A town, what's that? I lived in a borough.
posted by njsk8r20 at 03:41 PM on February 21, 2006
shit, that's true. i forgot about those boroughs.
posted by goddam at 03:44 PM on February 21, 2006
Looks like the US is pulling Esche. All the drama of the NBC play-by-play page, right in your living room! Or office desk as the case may be.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 03:49 PM on February 21, 2006
even though it was a meaningless game, good to see that the US actually can put the puck in the net.
posted by erkno11 at 03:56 PM on February 21, 2006
Just watched some highlights, as I had to do some real work today (grrrrr!). Some thoughts: - Vokoun sucks. Incredible that he's been outclassed by Milan Hnilicka. - If you take into account Vokoun's awful play, Canada's three goals are not that impressive. They'll have their hands full against Russia tomorrow. - I don't understand why Switzerland finishes ahead of Canada with two wins against Canada's three and the same number of points. - Two quarters look like semis (CZE-SVK and CAN-RUS) but if the trend continues, we could be in for surprises.
posted by qbert72 at 07:47 PM on February 21, 2006
There should be interesting stuff at the top of the leaderboard tomorrow. Leader NoMich has two very bad quarterfinal matchups: CZE-SVK = 8-7 SWE-SUI = 6-5 The rest of the leaders are pretty even, in terms of their best-case scenarios. Maximum point outcomes (max = 42): NoMich: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 37 redsnare: RUS,FIN,CZE,SWE = 40 grum: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 42 wingnut: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 42 mkn: RUS,FIN,CZE,SWE = 40 emoeby: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 40 Ufez: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 40 gspm: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 41 elovrich: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 41 owlhouse: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 42
posted by Amateur at 07:57 PM on February 21, 2006
qbert, SWI finishes ahead of CAN on the first tiebreaker, head-to-head record. Switzerland 2, Canada 0.
posted by Amateur at 07:58 PM on February 21, 2006
At the other end of the "leader"board (which I am considerably closer to) ... chicobangs: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 42 goddam: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 42 rainbaby: CAN,FIN,CZE,SWE = 41 skydivemom: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 40 YYM: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 42 86: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 42 mikelbyl: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 41 Samsonov: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 42 willthrill: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 39 blarp: CAN,USA,CZE,SWE = 42
posted by Amateur at 08:08 PM on February 21, 2006
So I am 10.5 back of the leader and my best performance will see me gain 4 pts on the leader. Might as well be over for me. I haven't crunched the numbers Amateur stylee but the gap (and the number of teams I'd have to leapfrog) feel insurmountable. Darn you Finland and Slovakia and CzechRep!
posted by gspm at 08:12 PM on February 21, 2006
Everybody picked SWE for more points than SUI, but: the person most hoping for a SUI upset should be Ufez. Everybody picked CZE for more points than SVK, but: the people most hoping for a SVK win should be NoMich and skydivedad. (This doesn't consider what it will mean going forward; only at the end of the day tomorrow.)
posted by Amateur at 08:13 PM on February 21, 2006
for the other "leader" board shouldn't you calculate the minimum point outcomes?
posted by goddam at 08:21 PM on February 21, 2006
Actually, gspm, if you just consider NoMich, you can gain five points on him if your best-case scenario doesn't come true. CAN-USA-CZE-SWE 40 for gspm 35 for NoMich Also, at that point NoMich will have 12-9-8-6 going forward into the next round, and you will have 12-11-10-7. I don't know how the matchups will go but there's the potential for another big swing in the last two rounds. I don't think the battle for supremacy is over yet. Me, on the other hand, I'm another five points back, which is hopeless.
posted by Amateur at 08:22 PM on February 21, 2006
SWI finishes ahead of CAN on the first tiebreaker, head-to-head record. Thanks Amateur. I figured that was the reason, which is inconsistent with the NHL tiebreakers, where the number of wins would have been used. They can have different rules, of course.
posted by qbert72 at 08:24 PM on February 21, 2006
It's a war of attrition, then. /Starts digging
posted by owlhouse at 08:28 PM on February 21, 2006
The only thing we can guarantee is that wingnut4life cannot win the pool. He has the exact same picks as me, except for Switzerland, where I get more points than he does. Therefore, no matter how well he does, I'll remain at least 2 points ahead of him. Other than that, it kind of hurts my head to try and do the math without using a spreadsheet, but I suspect it'll be easier after tomorrow.
posted by grum@work at 10:35 PM on February 21, 2006
Hm, maybe I should've added a "projection" feature in which you could add/subtract wins from teams to see how you'd do. But then I definitely would've had to pollute the results with a little "available for hire" ad.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 11:56 PM on February 21, 2006
Excellent work, as always, Dr J. You don't have to tout for business with us.
posted by owlhouse at 12:02 AM on February 22, 2006
For people who want to noodle, here is a MS Excel spreadsheet. Just change the value of 'Wins' in the first row to see different hypothetical scenarios; you can re-sort rows 3-34 to see your new ranking. I changed the order of the teams so that those no longer in play are on the right-hand side, and the teams that are matched up today are paired side-by-side.
posted by Amateur at 08:21 AM on February 22, 2006
Nice, Amateur! You are much better at spreadsheets than I (which is probably why the leaderboard is database-driven).
posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:08 AM on February 22, 2006
Amateur Thanks after various noodlings I'm pretty much out of this thing........... No matter what seems to be the outcomes......... Oh Well........ At least I've got some awesome hockey to watch. :)
posted by skydivedad at 09:18 AM on February 22, 2006
If all the teams except for Slovakia drop out due to food poisoning, I will finish in second place.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:24 AM on February 22, 2006
Agreed, skydivedad, there is no way for me to win this thing either... I can get ahead of NoMich, if things go badly for him, but I can't pass all 21 people ahead of me. If everything went perfectly I think I could get to 11th place.
posted by Amateur at 09:25 AM on February 22, 2006
Psst. We're over here now
posted by skydivedad at 09:28 AM on February 22, 2006
goddam it (pun intended)! that's the second time that's happened to me!
posted by Amateur at 09:30 AM on February 22, 2006
I'm at work but it looks like it's still 1-0 Finland over Germany, end of 1 (or nearly).