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December 20, 2007
Bill Parcells signs a four year deal: Bill Parcells signs a four year deal to become Miami's executive Vice President of football operations.How much of a lift does this give Miami going into this weeks game against the Pats?
Does that make Parcells Dolphin-save Tuna?
posted by kokaku at 11:31 AM on December 20, 2007
Does that now make Parcells Dolphin-save Tuna? It's a popular thought.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 11:34 AM on December 20, 2007
Damn - beat to the punch - and for once I thought I could get something worthwhile into the pun parade
posted by kokaku at 11:47 AM on December 20, 2007
Parcells won't give any "boost" to the Phins this weekend. He was in New England in what seems like forever ago. No one cares anymore. The only boost he can give the phins is next year in the free agent market and the search for a new coach. Bye Bye Cam.
posted by kidrayter2005 at 12:15 PM on December 20, 2007
The last regular season loss for the Pats was against the Dolphins around the same time last year at home. Correction: that game was in Miami, on 12/10/06. As Cheech Wizard (or someone like him) would say, then was then and now it's now. The Pats lost that game in large part due to turnovers and penalties, and they were doing a lot more of both last year than this year. They also had some key injuries in that game, and they have been able to both avoid a lot of injuries and handle it with depth this year. They've strengthened their team both on offense and defense, whereas Miami just hasn't done much -- Trent Green was a good idea, too bad it didn't work out. Don't get me wrong, I think Cleo Lemon has shown both grit and talent, and I think he will have a good future, but I also think it would take a comet hitting the Razorblade for the Dolphins to have a chance of leaving Foxboro with anything but a loss this Sunday. So the fact that the Pats are 14-0 and tied the "72" Dolphins for most wins in a season,I think the Dolphins are going to try and play their best game and not let the Pats get to 15-0.They always play the Patriots tough no matter where they play. Well, as tough as they can -- which, in case you haven't noticed, is just what every other team has been doing, including some that have handed the Dolphins an almighty pasting this season. We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Should be another sloppy day in Foxboro on Sunday, so at least it won't be a blowout most likely. Also: your FPP link does not link to an article, but to ESPN's NFL page, whose contents change. The Parcells-Miami deal is front page news now, but it probably won't be in a day or so. FYI...
posted by lil_brown_bat at 12:29 PM on December 20, 2007
My mistake,that game was in Miami.And your right again as every team has been trying to beat the Patriots,but none have succeeded.I'm just saying that the Dolphins are the team that will give it that little extra since they have their chance to hold that "72"Dolphin record intact.But I too don't expect anything less than a Pats win.I'm a die hard Pats fan.
posted by Ghastly1 at 12:47 PM on December 20, 2007
I'm just saying that the Dolphins are the team that will give it that little extra since they have their chance to hold that "72"Dolphin record intact. Do you really think any of them care? They weren't on that team. Their fathers weren't on that team. It's one thing to strive to set your own records; it's another thing, if a somewhat petty thing, to hope that someone who comes after you fails so that your record remains "intact". But playing spoiler for a bunch of other guys who left the sport thirty years ago? I believe the Dolphins will play hard because they want to be the ones to beat the team that no one else has beat -- they want to do it for themselves, for their own sake. I don't think for a second that any of them is doing it for the '72 Dolphins.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 01:01 PM on December 20, 2007
They are trying to win this game for themselves absolutely.But on the flip side of the coin,I don't think that they want to be the Dolphins team that the Patriots beat to break the record.Not that any team does,but I just think that being a Miami Dolphin,knowing that they could stop that from happening,just might give them a little more incentive to go out and win this game.And yes,I really do think they care.It doesn't matter if they were on that team or not,it's the fact of playing for the Miami Dolphins and keeping that record for the franchise.
posted by Ghastly1 at 01:28 PM on December 20, 2007
Dolphins 3--Patriots a zillion. This move is for next year. Parcells needs time to see the holes in the boat before he can help save it from sinking.
posted by THX-1138 at 01:34 PM on December 20, 2007
They are trying to win this game for themselves absolutely.But on the flip side of the coin,I don't think that they want to be the Dolphins team that the Patriots beat to break the record. Well, first off, we are talking about the perfect season record, right? That's the one that the Oldphins really care about, not the number of games won. First off, that's a record that can't ever be broken, only matched, and second, the Pats won't be matching that record with a Dolphins victory on Sunday -- they need to also beat the Giants the following Saturday for that. This is a kind of interesting article about reminiscences from some of the all-time losingest NFL teams. Interesting read.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 02:10 PM on December 20, 2007
Bill Parcells : Cam Cameron :: Pat Riley : Stan Van Gundy If Cameron survives to begin next year as the Dolphins coach, I would not be surprised if he is fired some time in the middle of next season and Parcells takes over on the sidelines.
posted by holden at 02:23 PM on December 20, 2007
Wow, I do not think Parcells wants to be head coach again, and if he did it would not be for a team that is 1-13 with almost no chance of hitting the playoffs in less than three years.
posted by billsaysthis at 02:36 PM on December 20, 2007
Man, I'm not having a very good day here lbb.I guess what I was trying to say was the Pats can surpass the 72 Dolphins in regular season wins undefeated at 15-0,where they only played 14 games in the regular season in 1972.But yes,your right again.To achieve the undefeated regular season they have to beat the Dolphins,then the Giants in two weeks making them 16-0.But that record can be broken if the Patriots do finish the regular season at 16-0, and then to go on and win the Super Bowl making them 19-0.
posted by Ghastly1 at 03:39 PM on December 20, 2007
"This"was an interesting article for sure lbb.Some of the stats on them losing teams were very poor for a 16 game season,hell even for a 14 game season.
posted by Ghastly1 at 03:43 PM on December 20, 2007
Bill Parcells will not do much for Miami Bill Parcells has how many rings without Bill Belichick?........ZERO Bill Belichick has how many rings without Parcells?..........THREE The Patriots have really already broke Miami's record when New England won 21 straight games..While it wasnt in "ONE" season 21 straight is hard to beat and considering Miami's 14-0 season the fins beat only "TWO' winning teams....... Back to Bill Parcells.... now with a third team in the AFC East..Maybe Bill will go to Buffalo when he is a 100 years old New England could go back to back seasons without a loss the Patriots will be just as tough next year and by the time the Patriots run is over the Patriots might have 5-6 rings
posted by HalloweenKingDiamond at 04:08 PM on December 20, 2007
Bill Belichick has how many rings without Parcells?..........THREE How many rings does Belichick have as head coach of Cleveland?
posted by Nakeman at 04:21 PM on December 20, 2007
Nakeman Bill Belichcick beat Bill Parcells in the Playoffs when Belichick was the head coach of the Browns Bill Belichick beat Bill Parcells 16-0 when Parcells was the HC in Dallas also How rings does Parcells have as the Head Coach in Dallas or with the NY Jets?
posted by HalloweenKingDiamond at 06:22 PM on December 20, 2007
How rings does Parcells have as the Head Coach in Dallas or with the NY Jets? posted by HalloweenKingDiamond at 6:22 PM CST on December None, just sick and tired of all the accolates for Belichick.
posted by Nakeman at 06:28 PM on December 20, 2007
PS-HKD- instead of giving Parcells credit for picking the right man for job in his teams Super Bowls wins, you give all the credit to Belichich for the wins. Isn't the position he signed up for picking the right man for the job? So based on the information you've given us-Parcells is probably a excellent choice to get Miami back on the road to the playoffs. Wouldn't you agree or maybe your dislike for Parcells is blinding your sense of reason.
posted by Nakeman at 06:50 PM on December 20, 2007
The reason the Jets won, Parcells, the reason the Giants won, Parcells, the reason the Cowboys are winning now, Parcells. You can make your Belichick arguments all you want, the bottom line is Parcells builds winners.
posted by MGDADDYO at 08:28 PM on December 20, 2007
Nakeman Your "HATRED" and "DISLIKE" for Belichick shows......YOU said it above already..... Belichick was the DC coach on the Jets and Giants......thats the reason Parcells won, The Jets and Giants Defenses were always TOPS........ Belichick had the Jets Job when Parcells "RETIRED" yet again but didnt take it for he wanted to be his own man and build his 'OWN' team Bill Parcells QUIT the Dallas Job for Bill Parcels couldnt handle the "PLAYERS" anymore on the field thats why he is the "GM" of Miami now...... Do I think Bill Parcells will turn Miami around?....Maybe in 3-4 years Look at the Job Marv Levy has done with the Buffalo Bills in his short time as the Bills GM.....
posted by HalloweenKingDiamond at 09:03 PM on December 20, 2007
If Cameron survives to begin next year as the Dolphins coach, I would not be surprised if he is fired some time in the middle of next season and Parcells takes over on the sidelines. That makes sense because the only real value Parcells has is as a coach. Not only is he not a good GM, what kind of quality coach wants that job with Parcells breathing down his neck? Wow, I do not think Parcells wants to be head coach again, and if he did it would not be for a team that is 1-13 with almost no chance of hitting the playoffs in less than three years. He took over a 1-15 Jets team in 97. And I believe that the Pats had a similarly poor record when he took them over. I think he likes the challenge and the ego stroking when he turns a team around. There's no question that as a head coach, he is good at turning around a losing franchise (not unlike Larry Brown). And like Brown, he will lift his skirt for the highest bidder, just like the time he was looking for a new HC job the week before his Pats team played in the super bowl.
posted by cjets at 09:24 PM on December 20, 2007
Your "HATRED" and "DISLIKE" for Belichick shows......YOU said it above already..... Your right I don't like Belichick personally, but I respect him as a coach. I don't much care for Parcells either, however I respect his coaching ability and his organizational skills. But by your post I can only assume that you think little of Parcells coaching ability and the only reason he's even had any success at all was due to Belichick. If that the case, I'm surprised the owner of the Dolphins didn't check with Belichich before he hired Parcells. I don't remenber saying I hated Belichick, but now that you bring it up. Your not going to find many peoply outside the Boston area that are in love with the guy.
posted by Nakeman at 09:36 PM on December 20, 2007
Nakeman Your words tell me you "HATE" Belichick and thanks for admitting that much... At least we can agree on something I dont like either coaches also..My opinion is Belichick is a better coach...If you "RESPECT" Parcells? You should also respect Belichick....I respect them both but find Parcells to be a angry grumpy fat man whose coaching has seen better days ..Thats why he retired so.... Its not just Belichick everybody hates outside of Boston... it's Brady, Moss and the whole crew
posted by HalloweenKingDiamond at 09:50 PM on December 20, 2007
Your words tell me you "HATE" Belichick and thanks for admitting that much... I tell you I don't like Belichick, and with your convoluted logic, ascertain I hate the guy. Maybe you better look up difference between the two words. Well, I'm tiring of this conversation, so I let you go cheer for the Patriots and I lick my wound over the Rams loss to the Steelers. Have a nice evening and good night.
posted by Nakeman at 10:29 PM on December 20, 2007
Your words tell me you "HATE" Belichick and thanks for admitting that much... I tell you I don't like Belichick, and with your convoluted logic, ascertain I hate the guy. Maybe you better look up difference between the two words. Well, I'm tiring of this conversation, so I let you go cheer for the Patriots and I lick my wound over the Rams loss to the Steelers. Have a nice evening and good night.
posted by Nakeman at 10:32 PM on December 20, 2007
HKD: Does it get cold in that Patriots cheerleading outfit this time of year? Nakeman: Your hate is slowly turning you to the dark side. THX-1138: Are you ever going to put that bottle down?
posted by THX-1138 at 11:29 PM on December 20, 2007
THX-1138 I'm Not a Patriots fan bro.....
posted by HalloweenKingDiamond at 12:44 AM on December 21, 2007
Nakeman I wouldnt be to down on the Rams........The Rams as you well know had to many injuries this year...The Rams will be back....
posted by HalloweenKingDiamond at 12:53 AM on December 21, 2007
I really like Parcells and think this is the ideal situation for him. I am trying to stick to the topic and not compare him to "The hoodie" or Romeo, Wiess, or anyone else. I believe that Belichick is a great coach that will have many great seasons ahead of him. I believe Romeo is a really good coach at this poing and might deserve coach of the year if not for the Pats. Charlie Weiss is not so fortunate in ND. I don't know if he can get that corrected or not. But, back to the topic of Parcells, I do believe that he is a great talent evaluator. He is the type that gets the gems in the later rounds of the draft. I don't think his style of coaching is suited for the pampered rich athletes of today. I believe he did a great job in Dallas, not necessarily on the wins and losses, but he took a team with three 5-11 seasons and built them into what they are today. He galvanized the players and taught them how to prevail. It is a shame he didn't stay another year and reap the glory they are having this year. As for Miami, I believe it hinges on the coach he brings in. I don't believe he will keep Cameron on board and the last year draft debacle shows they need someone that can evaluate the needs and talent available. Number one is they need a QB. Putting their stock into an aging and beat up Trent Green and picking the kid from Ohio State (Ted Guinn Jr.???) made no sense at all when they could have had Brady Quinn. He might not have been successful this year, but he has the talent. To have passed on him was insane. I believe with a 3-4 defense in place already will help him too. He does have a few players on defense.
posted by Mickster at 10:49 AM on December 21, 2007
Come on people... I call Belichick an angry, twisted old man and you all jump on top of me. HKD calls Parcells an angry, grumpy fat man, (way below the belt) and doesn't even get a slap on the wrist? Where is the justice in this wicked world?
posted by Goyoucolts at 01:54 PM on December 21, 2007
GYC: I got your back. I told you about Belichick's evilness. And I went so far as to say HKD was a pretty little cheerleader. HKD: Sorry about the cheerleader crack. It was way out of line. Nakeman: Sorry about the Rams. No I'm not. Go Seahawks! THX-1138: Dude, it looks like you been a drinking all night. Get some rest.
posted by THX-1138 at 02:27 PM on December 21, 2007
Where is the justice in this wicked world? When you choose a homerific nick, you're kinda setting yourself against the forces of justice to start with.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 04:39 PM on December 21, 2007
Let me check my dictionary here... Homerific... Ye gods! You must have misspelled that word, LBB!! Amazing how your sense of humor abandons you when someone makes a slight against the Patriots... Damn easy, wasn't it?
posted by Goyoucolts at 05:27 PM on December 21, 2007
Cheers, THX-1138!! We should go grab a beer sometime. :)
posted by Goyoucolts at 05:29 PM on December 21, 2007
Whether you like Parcells and Belichick or not,you got to respect the fact that both are excellent coaches.If either one of them was coaching the team of your liking,I'm sure you wouldn't have anything bad to say about either.I personally don't like Parcells for what he did to the Pats before the Super Bowl against Green Bay I believe it was.I think he bailed out on that team,which was wrong.And as far as Belichick goes,he's the best coach in the NFL right now and will be for some time to come.
posted by Ghastly1 at 08:14 PM on December 21, 2007
How many rings does Belichick have as head coach of Cleveland? posted by Nakeman at 4:21 PM CST on December 20 He had one big meddling asshole owner, that did not want him to win, so he could move the team. Remember that? None, just sick and tired of all the accolates for Belichick. Try accolades for Belichick. Accolate is an asthma medicine!
posted by jojomfd1 at 01:25 AM on December 22, 2007
If either one of them was coaching the team of your liking,I'm sure you wouldn't have anything bad to say about either. Parcells coached the Jets. I don't like him then and I don't like him now. I don't deny that he can turn around a team for the short run. But I'm not a big believer in quick fixes. Especially when they don't lead to long term solutions. Parcells coached the Jets for three years. They only made it to the playoffs one year. And now, ten years after his hire, they're back to 3-11. Plus, I think it was Parcells that scared off Belichick, who was head coach of the Jets for all of one day after Parcells "retired." I personally don't like Parcells for what he did to the Pats before the Super Bowl against Green Bay I believe it was.I think he bailed out on that team,which was wrong. So, unless I'm reading this incorrectly, you did not like Parcells either when he was coaching your team. At least during that week before the Super Bowl.
posted by cjets at 08:21 PM on December 22, 2007
cjets, I am indifferent to both Parcells and Bilichick but I am not sure you can link Parcells to a 3-11 season ten years later.
posted by jc at 06:49 PM on December 23, 2007
cjets, I am indifferent to both Parcells and Bilichick but I am not sure you can link Parcells to a 3-11 season ten years later. Yeah, I see your point JC. I was really trying to respond to the notion that I'd like Parcells if he coached my team. He did and I didn't. He is not directly responsible for them being 3-12 now. But it is the fault of the Jets organization for hiring a guy who was a quick fix, rather than a long term solution. As long as I'm responding, I'd also like to point out how Parcells has done less with every successive team: Giants - 2 super bowl wins Patriots - 1 super bowl appearance Jets - 1 AFC championship appearance Cowboys - Made the playoffs but never won a playoff game. If this trend holds, the Dolphins won't even make the playoffs with him.
posted by cjets at 07:45 PM on December 23, 2007
If this trend holds, the Dolphins won't even make the playoffs with him. Although, to point out the obvious, he isn't coaching. And the current guy is on the verge of going 1-15. And last spring that current guy lashed the #9 overall on Ted Ginn Jnr. This year we have the #1 overall and two picks in the second round - whatever you say about Parcells' coaching ability, (and did I mention, he isn't the coach?), I'll take anyone using those three picks over the clowns who were on the clock this year.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 09:32 PM on December 23, 2007
Although, to point out the obvious, he isn't coaching. If I were a Dolphin fan, I would be praying that he does end up as Head Coach. That's his skill set. Not VP of football operations. With each successive team, his responsibilities grew, and with each successive team they achieved less. And last spring that current guy lashed the #9 overall on Ted Ginn Jnr. This year we have the #1 overall and two picks in the second round - whatever you say about Parcells' coaching ability, (and did I mention, he isn't the coach?), I'll take anyone using those three picks over the clowns who were on the clock this year. If you're setting the bar for hiring as "better than the current administration," you're right, it's a terrific hire. And thanks again for mentioning that he won't be the coach. You might have noticed that I mentioned it myself in an earlier post to this thread.
posted by cjets at 10:53 PM on December 23, 2007
As long as I'm responding, I'd also like to point out how Parcells has done less with every successive team: You should also point out the amount of time he was with each team then too. 1983-1990 He was with the New York Giants 1993-1996 New England 1997-1999 New York Jets 2003-2006 Dallas He did more with the team he was with the longest, and less with the teams he was with the least. With the exception of Dallas, and we don't know how much of that was owner interference, or a cancer Parcells would only call "The Player."* Overall though this is not anything unusual. The fact that he could walk in as a new coach, and turn a losing team around that quick is. *See the 4th paragraph down under Dallas Cowboys in the linked article.
posted by jojomfd1 at 10:54 AM on December 24, 2007
You should also point out the amount of time he was with each team then too......He did more with the team he was with the longest, and less with the teams he was with the least. That particular argument would have more resonance with me if he did not choose to leave each of the teams (including the infamous way he left the Pats). If he chooses to leave (or "retire"), I don't think it's fair to make the argument that he could have done more if he stayed. This is particularly true in the case of the Jets where he did not have to deal with that "cancer". I don't deny that he can turn around a losing franchise in the short term. I just think he is a mercenary and has no loyalties beyond his wallet. And there's no doubt I'm biased against him. As far as the Dallas situation, he knew what he was getting into when he decided to work for Jones. (an owner he earlier described as someone he'd never want to work for). The fact that the Cowboys are now 13-2 under Wade Phillips does not indicate that he was getting the most out of his players when he coached the Cowboys.
posted by cjets at 12:29 PM on December 24, 2007
How he left each team has no bearing on the comparison at hand. The comparison being made was The success he had with each of the teams he coached vs. how long he was with each respective team. Why he left those teams has as much to do with that about as much as If Hoffa was buried in the end zone of the stadium if his teams did better or not. I do agree that he knew about Jones in the big D, but nobody ever saw T.O. comming. If that won't push someone, who doesn't need the extra BS, over the edge I am not sure what will. Think back to T.O.'s 2006 with the Cowboy's. Plus, he also had Drew Bledsoe as a starter still then for 6 games.
posted by jojomfd1 at 09:44 AM on December 25, 2007
I agree that this move will help next year, not this one. While it may motivate the Dolphin players, they will have to miraculously get better to beat the Patriots. That's not going to happen this year.
posted by still44 at 09:02 PM on December 25, 2007
How he left each team has no bearing on the comparison at hand. Of course it does. Here's what you originally said. You should also point out the amount of time he was with each team then too....He did more with the team he was with the longest, and less with the teams he was with the least. He has a history of bailing on teams after 3 or 4 years. You can't claim that he did the most with the team he was with the longest without pointing out that he has this history of bailing on teams. Of course that's relevant. It'll be relevant to the Dolphins in 3 or 4 years when he bails on them. And by the way, he was with the Cowboys longer than the Jets and achieved less with them. I do agree that he knew about Jones in the big D, but nobody ever saw T.O. comming. Jones signing a troublesome player is definitely something Parcells could have seen coming. Should he have known it was T.O.? No. But it certainly should not have been a surprise. And again, the Cowboys success this year does not speak well to his coaching ability (And yes I know he won't be coaching in Miami - for now anyway)
posted by cjets at 07:31 PM on December 26, 2007
The last regular season loss for the Pats was against the Dolphins around the same time last year at home.So the fact that the Pats are 14-0 and tied the "72" Dolphins for most wins in a season,I think the Dolphins are going to try and play their best game and not let the Pats get to 15-0.They always play the Patriots tough no matter where they play.