March 06, 2006

What Will NASCAR Do About 'Buschwackers?': Interesting problem. I think there should be some sort of restrictions on this, and quick or the future talent pool may suffer.

posted by wisportcheese to auto racing at 05:09 PM - 29 comments

NASCAR doesn't really care because they are too busy counting their money and selling their Busch tickets." 'Nuff said.

posted by dyams at 05:22 PM on March 06, 2006

Holy crap, I didn't really understand the implications here. This is really a pretty bad thing. There is a comparison to a New York yankees pitcher going down to a AAA game, and how its like that, but I really think its worse even still. These guys are ruining these up and comers chances of being recognized. this is like Ma Bell, or some other shitty form of monopoly. The Cup guys have all the money, and there is no way a Busch series driver is going to be able to compete in the long run. What a joke.

posted by everett at 05:36 PM on March 06, 2006

Only non-Cup drivers should be awarded points and/or money. Now, maybe that wouldn't make for fewer Cup drivers since they're not running for the puny purse or the few points anyway, but if you split the purse among the regular Busch drivers it might be enough to make them happy. A little happier, anyway.

posted by mr_crash_davis at 06:11 PM on March 06, 2006

Kick the Cup boys out of Busch before its too late. NASCAR is slowly turning into F1, with the haves and haves not. And with Toyota-backed teams coming next year, the divide will only get bigger. Busch series should be a stepping stone and only feature those drivers not already in Nextel Cup. The Nextel drivers constantly complain about the increasing demands on their time for sponsors, media, etc. How 'bout taking Sat. off and giving the young guys a chance to shine? I also think some of the blame needs to go to the sponsors and not necessarily the teams. They want their logo on a Busch car but want a big name driver to promote the product. NASCAR needs to step in before we have 43 Cup drivers driving both days.

posted by eccsport78 at 06:36 PM on March 06, 2006

I thought the Busch series was the minor leagues of the Nextel cup. Doesn't driving in the Busch race also give a track knowledge advantage to the Cup drivers? Just doesn't make sense to me to allow drivers to compete in both.

posted by njsk8r20 at 06:56 PM on March 06, 2006

NASCAR has a monopoly in every sense of the word. Two entities, one is NASCAR and the other deeply entrenched, even own almost all the tracks. Advertisers have to stay in no matter what because their competitors are there. Examples: Bud/Miller; Lowes/HomeDepot; Coke/Pepsi; et al. NASCAR doesn't have to give much of anything, especially interesting racing, but a colorful show for TV and the sponsors come a runnin'. The Daytona and Talledega races are farces. The tracks need to be road courses so they can race, but NASCAR can only throw a full-course flag. They all run the '96 Thunderbird with a different front bumper, rear side window and pasties. Competition ain't much among the brands but nobody runs of their own brand except Chevrolet and Ford have manufacturer based engines. Dodge is totally purpose built; in the truck races, Toyota motors are provided by the factory while all others have to be built by Bubba and the good ol' boys. Competition, my ass. NASCAR is all show. Fair? Last Fall at TMS, there was this blonde about three rows down ... Their stated purpose is to keep everybody even, but they want Totota's money, so there are exceptions. Honda's checkbook is coming. You saw it here first.

posted by Bud Lang at 07:37 PM on March 06, 2006

I thought the Busch series was the minor leagues of the Nextel cup I thought that, too. Busch drivers race their hearts out to get up to Nextel Cup, so I think that it would be only fair to ban the BuschWackers.

posted by wingnut4life at 07:58 PM on March 06, 2006

Nascar only sees $$, a few cup drivers draw more fans which draws more sponsors which draws more $$. Veteran cup drivers also provide experience for bush drivers learn from. However, if the bushwhackers run off all the new talent everybody loses. I believe Nascar will get it together they seem to be a very shrewed bunch.

posted by kosmicdebris at 08:21 PM on March 06, 2006

Do you really think the France family is a shrewed bunch. Their thinking has pretty much ruined what NASCAR was started for and was during the formative years. If you are old enough go back to 1968, 1969,1970,1971 when cars were built to run NASCAR and the rule stated that 1500 had to be built and sold to the public in order to run. Bill Sr. banned the 426 Hemi in the Plymouths and Dodges but let the Fords run the 427 and the Pontiacs the 428. (Limit was 430ci at the time.) The France's have lined their pockets off our money lone enough. Let's get someone else or it will be come NAF1.

posted by coach at 09:59 PM on March 06, 2006

Let them race up not down If the big boys from the CUP series want to race in BUSH, OK that is their race for the weekend.When the big drivers drop down 7 to 15 BUSH kids dont get a chance to improve their skills,which will hurt the product of nextel in the long run

posted by hpanther at 11:18 PM on March 06, 2006

Honda's checkbook is coming. You saw it here first. Um,, I didn't.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 05:05 AM on March 07, 2006

And another's "shrewd," not "shrewed." And "Busch," not "Bush." Goddamn, it's hard to be a NASCAR fan somedays.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 05:07 AM on March 07, 2006

NASCAR is bigger than ever!! I'm sure you all want to keep it in your pocket but you gotta let it grow.

posted by tmart937 at 07:49 AM on March 07, 2006

NASCAR's Busch Series isn't as much like a minor league as baseball, just to put that comparison into context. The drivers have less experience, true, but what may keep them from moving up to the big curcuit is lack of a big-time sponsor, not necessarily failure to be in the winner's circle of their races. A good driver with skills may be called on to join one of the major teams, but that's not because he's out there lapping Tony Stewart, Mark Martin, etc. during the Busch races. A driver or team that is consistently strong will still get noticed and have a chance to possibly lure a huge sponsor to race Sundays with the big boys, but there's never any guarantees. I think the real, dedicated race fans understand what they're seeing in the Busch Series and just want to see racing, period.

posted by dyams at 07:57 AM on March 07, 2006

People that feel a need to correct others mistakes, such as spelling and grammar, have a need to feel superior and most likely issues with self-esteem. In the last 10 years Nascar has grown exponentially...wonder why?

posted by kosmicdebris at 09:15 AM on March 07, 2006

A lot of the guys say it's good practice for Sunday. I can't figure how much "practice" they actually get out of racing a car with a different aero package and different power and weight figures. They know the tracks already (drive straight, turn left, repeat). The road courses I could see where even in a different car, a driver could help learn the rhythm of the track.

posted by timdawg at 09:18 AM on March 07, 2006

People that feel a need to correct others mistakes, such as spelling and grammar, have a need to feel superior and most likely issues with self-esteem. Or an over-weaning desire for intelligible discourse. One or the other.

posted by yerfatma at 10:08 AM on March 07, 2006


posted by kosmicdebris at 10:31 AM on March 07, 2006

Dyams makes a very good point. If your team is strong enough, you will eventually get to move up with the "big boys." But it all comes down to the "bottom line," if it makes money it will be done/allowed. And if i may go off subject for a monent. I don't think anyone is trying to be a smart a** or boost their self esteem when correcting grammar and spelling, but if you are going to adamant/strident in your post, it does help your case if your gram/spell are correct. We all make mistakes but alot of people see these posts and I for one would not like to appear ignorant. Just my opinion.

posted by steelergirl at 11:07 AM on March 07, 2006

People that feel a need to correct others mistakes, such as spelling and grammar, have a need to feel superior and most likely issues with self-esteem. Wow...I wonder what making uninformed psychological diagnoses about total strangers on a website says about you? Sorry kosmicdebris, years of working in broadcast and print journalism have made me the proofreader from Hell. Plus, it's bad enough that people already think NASCAR fans are ignorant dumbasses without us giving them more proof by not being able to spell or construct complete sentences above a sixth-grade level. On preview: what yerfatma said.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 01:43 PM on March 07, 2006

More money equals better chances, you get the elite job because of your father's name, and Lets Keep the little guy Down. Sounds like business, not like sport. Oh wait, it's Nascar! Same thing! And really, does it do any good to point out a spelling/grammatical error after it has been posted? Other than to imply "you are dumb, I am smart" ? You might peruse your own post, steelergirl, if you think so..........

posted by mjkredliner at 02:01 PM on March 07, 2006

How about having the cup guys start at the back of the pack. Having the full time busch guys ahead of the nextel guys, still going by qualifying times for both, just put the fastest nextel guy behind the slowest busch guy.

posted by Fatt_Tony_13 at 02:17 PM on March 07, 2006

Honda's checkbook is coming. You saw it here first. About the only money NASCAR won't be taking is Honda's. While nothing makes Honda happier than handing Toyota its lunch on the track, this is one time where it won't follow Toyota in just to prove it can be done. Toyota being in NASCAR is logical considering the vehicles they are marketing, and in that sense they have basically the same philosophy as the big three. It makes no sense for Honda, which has a different marketing strategy and usually considers the enginneering challenge as its motivation to race. They once considered the IRL to be low-tech, it's hard to believe they agreed to be a sole engine supplier as it is. They're not headed south anytime soon.

posted by eccsport78 at 02:39 PM on March 07, 2006

Ok the deal here is all about testing. In the Cup series now you can only test at 4 tracks or something so all the owners are feiding full time busch teams to get their drivers seat time. I don't think there should be any restrictions on full time busch rides. But maybe a cap of like 7 for guys who are not running the full Busch schedule.

posted by navy9112000 at 04:08 PM on March 07, 2006

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posted by yerfatma at 06:23 PM on March 07, 2006

Quit antagonizing people into fighting with you. You ***holes are ruining SoFi. Holy crap man, Its your first day here... (oh, bperk already said that). What do you know about the state of spofi? I tend to think that it takes away from the conversation when people spout off ignorant sentences with bad grammar. if you don't know the sport you're talking about ("bush") Don't make grand statements about said sport. Furthermore, MS word has spellcheck, if you really have such a hard time coming up with the spellings of common words over the span of two or three sentences, maybe you should use some of the other tools on the computer to increase your level of discourse. Try spending a little time here before you go around telling veterans like Yerfatma (he has two digits in his profile, you have 5) how to conduct themselves.

posted by everett at 06:26 PM on March 07, 2006

hahaha... oh man, now what?

posted by everett at 06:28 PM on March 07, 2006

Pretend it was a fever dream. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

posted by yerfatma at 07:56 PM on March 07, 2006

The horror...the horror...

posted by The_Black_Hand at 01:53 PM on March 08, 2006

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