04/19/24
November 09, 2005
MLB Managers of the Year: Fourth for Bobby Cox, first for Ozzie Guillen. "Scrap Iron" finishes third, but gets no first place votes.
posted by The_Black_Hand to baseball at 03:29 PM - 32 comments
As a Met fan, I would just like to congradulate the best regular season manager of all time, Bobby Cox. Lets see how well the Braves pitch without Leo Mazzone.
posted by The Gangstinator at 04:26 PM on November 09, 2005
I don't care much for the Braves, but Cox had to be rewarded for winning with all those rookies in the lineup. His players always have great things to say about him as a manager. If the NL Manager of the Year Award went to anyone else it would be an outrage. On a side note I'm suprised to see Felipe Alou didn't recieve any votes. That guy manages a bullpen like others only dream of. *sarcastic*
posted by bigrobbieb at 05:58 PM on November 09, 2005
Ned Yost wuz robbed.
posted by rocketman at 07:14 PM on November 09, 2005
What a honor for Guillen. Not the award, which is nice i itself, but most importantly (to me) the recognition of his mentor, Bobby Cox! That is huge !
"Cox has seen just about everything during 24 years as a major league manager and knows by now to keep an even keel throughout the long season.
Guillen was so torn up by tough losses this year that he occasionally vomited in his office.
"I'm not a patient guy," he said. "I'm going crazy a lot."
But he'll never forget the lessons he learned from Cox about how to communicate with players.
"There's nothing better than to be around that man because he will teach you how to handle things on the field and off the field," Guillen said.
And Cox was delighted that he and Guillen were honored together.
"He did a super, splendid job," the Braves' manager said. "I thought he was the right guy for that job.""
May I remind you all of these posts:I'm not surprised I was right!
posted by zippinglou at 09:11 PM on November 09, 2005
Eric Wedge took the Indians where no one thought they would go. As an Indian fan, he's manager of the year. Congrats to Ozzie tho, and Bobby? why is he deserving? just another boring year of them winning the division.
posted by Sasquatch12154 at 06:54 AM on November 10, 2005
Yes, congratulations to Ozzie and Bobby. And congratulations to zippinglou for making the bold prediction (post 1) after the regular season was completed that Guillen would win the Manager of the Year award. It takes real guts to go out on a limb and predict that the manager of the team that won the most games in the league would win the award. Lets see how well the Braves pitch without Leo Mazzone. If the Braves pitching goes in the tank, it might be the (potential) loss of Furcal more than Mazzone that is the cause.
posted by grum@work at 07:28 AM on November 10, 2005
after the regular season was completed that Guillen would win the Manager of the Year award. Hate to say it, but it's more than all of the others that posted otherwise! Guess they just didn't have the common sense! This includes you, Grum.....
posted by zippinglou at 08:59 AM on November 10, 2005
Wake me when you meds kick in, gramps.
posted by yerfatma at 09:01 AM on November 10, 2005
Ozzie was an awesome ballplayer no doubt
No, he wasn't awesome.
Heck, he wasn't even AVERAGE.
His best season as a hitter was when he was ONLY 15% worse than the league average.
posted by grum@work at 2:37 PM CST on September 23
I guess you can now add to his "AVERAGE" curriculum, a Manager of the Year!, Grum!
posted by zippinglou at 09:02 AM on November 10, 2005
Nobody deserves a Manager of the Year award more than Ozzie Guillen - he took a team of average players, a young pitching staff, and a couple of veterans and had them working as a team, sacrificing individual statistics for the good of the club. On Ozzie's team, a Geoff Blum or Juan Uribe were given the chance to contribute as much as Paul Konerko or Frank Thomas. He used his entire roster and had everyone marching to the same beat. An amazing year and unbelievable post season!
posted by ChiSox1977 at 09:30 AM on November 10, 2005
Gullien and Cox were the most deserving. What I don't get is how Tony Larussa and Joe Torre can come in 2nd and 3rd, respectively. LaRussa took a team from being in the World Series in 2004, to losing in the NLCS in 2005. That is regression. You can't make a case for someone being manager of the Year when their team has a worse season then the previous year. Especially when they had virtually the same players as the previous year and stayed relatively healthy (aside from Scott Rolen). Torre is another one that should not be considered, the guy doesn't have to manage at all. He puts the same lineup in every night and hopes his pitcher goes 6 innings to set up for Gordon and Rivera. He has the liberty of a $250 payroll and he can't even get the Yankees out of the first round. If you're the Yankees and your team doesn't win the world series, then you don't even deserve to be mentioned with guys that actually have to manage their teams like Ozzie Gullien, Eric Wedge, Ned Yost, Frank Robinson and Phil Garner.
posted by ArtVandalay420 at 10:11 AM on November 10, 2005
Cox has been doing it with smoke and mirrors for years. We'll see what happens now that he lost his pitching coach. Ozzie deserves the award this year. He better enjoy it, as his team will "implode" next year!
posted by daddisamm at 10:22 AM on November 10, 2005
And every spring it's supposed to be the year that the Braves don't win the division, smoke and mirrors or not. It's well deserved win for Cox managing all the rookies and through injuries to some key players. On reflection, I personally don't think the loss of Mazzone will matter that much at least in the short term. It's not like the pitchers that are in Atlanta are suddenly going to forget how to pitch. What they will miss is his ability to take someone off the scrap heap and make him useful, at least while in Atlanta.
posted by trox at 10:41 AM on November 10, 2005
Couldn't agree more on either pick. Fourteen years in a row is an accomplishment we may not see again in our lifetime and may continue on for a couple more years. Guillen, on the other hand, provides the headlines and comic relief. I mean the choking incident was hilarious, I only wish he had done it during the playoffs against the angels.
posted by bigwhisky26 at 11:19 AM on November 10, 2005
Fourteen years in a row is an accomplishment we may not see again in our lifetime Or, perhaps, in 4 years if no team stops the Yankees.
posted by drevl at 12:12 PM on November 10, 2005
he took a team of average players, a young pitching staff, and a couple of veterans Well, a young pitching staff that was the best in the AL. And featured Jose Contreras and El Duque. Who's a veteran pitcher, Satchel Paige?
posted by yerfatma at 01:00 PM on November 10, 2005
zippinglou has inspired me to go out on a limb and make some bold predictions: George H.W. Bush's son will be elected president twice, in 2000 and 2004; the United States will invade Iraq sometime in 2003; the New England Patriots will win at least two Super Bowls between 2000 and 2004; Lance Armstrong will be diagnosed with cancer, but will recover to win the Tour de France seven times before he marries a frizzy-headed folk singer named Sheryl Crow; a little-known company named Microsoft will develop an operating system called "Windows" that will be in place in 85% of computers worldwide by 2000, generating untold revenue and untold headaches and fits of rage. I can't explain it, they just come to me.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 02:33 PM on November 10, 2005
Ya'll don't be hatin' on zippinglou just cause he's a human crystal ball. Head to the tracks!
posted by justgary at 02:44 PM on November 10, 2005
Hate to say it, but it's more than all of the others that posted otherwise! Guess they just didn't have the common sense! This includes you, Grum..... Really? Show me the thread where we were supposed to make our predictions. And I don't have common sense? Ozzie was an awesome ballplayer no doubt No, he wasn't awesome. Heck, he wasn't even AVERAGE. His best season as a hitter was when he was ONLY 15% worse than the league average. posted by grum@work at 2:37 PM CST on September 23 I guess you can now add to his "AVERAGE" curriculum, a Manager of the Year!, Grum! Comment icon posted by zippinglou at 9:02 AM CST on November 10 If you can't tell the difference between a player's ability to swing a bat and manage a baseball team, you've REALLY gotta stay out of the baseball discussions. What was that about having common sense?
posted by grum@work at 09:09 PM on November 10, 2005
What was that about having common sense?
Well lets compare with what you had predicted....
"Houston 6 Burke/Berkman tie posted by grum@work at 4:16 PM PST on October 21"
Grum, just cause you were wrong doesn't mean you have to be a hater
posted by zippinglou at 11:58 PM on November 10, 2005
Zippinglou, where was your prediction? You can't point to the thread and tell grum he's wrong without pointing to yours that you were right. And it looks like you were s-i-l-e-n-t.
posted by justgary at 12:50 AM on November 11, 2005
Don't worry, zippinglou. He's hating the game you're playing, not you as a player.
posted by rocketman at 08:30 AM on November 11, 2005
And it looks like you were s-i-l-e-n-t.
Refer to "Post 1" of my initial post in this thread.... the silent answer rests within!
posted by zippinglou at 08:51 PM on November 11, 2005
It just came to me...the White Sox will win the Series in 2005 over, ah, some team from Ariz - no, no, Texas...yes, Texas...in a sweep, no less! Rush to your local bookie, quick! And don't forget my cut!
posted by The_Black_Hand at 12:09 AM on November 12, 2005
And it looks like you were s-i-l-e-n-t. Refer to "Post 1" of my initial post in this thread.... the silent answer rests within! And so, the cycle is complete. My initial reaction was to your bragging about predicting something that was pretty much a forgone conclusion (manager of best team in the league winning manager of the year award). And in the end, your defence is to reference the very point that I mocked. Wow.
posted by grum@work at 02:31 AM on November 12, 2005
o reference the very point that I mocked.
What's amazing to me is that you muck me for being right. Why not instead Much Yourself! Since your predictions were wrong!
posted by zippinglou at 10:29 AM on November 12, 2005
(mocked.... xcuse)
posted by zippinglou at 10:30 AM on November 12, 2005
Okay, you obviously aren't reading very carefully. I could explain, again, why it's silly to take pride in making that "prediction". However, I already did that two days ago, and it would just be keeping this ridiculous cycle going. Just be happy that rest of us are all very entertained in watching you bark real loud and chase your own tail over this subject. And I have to ask, why did you correct yourself with a second post? Did you not look at the results of the "preview" button before you submitted your first message? Do you feel that if you don't submit it right now, to heck with reading your own or comprehending other posts, someone might steal your thunder? It's not a race. Take your time. Produce a post without glaring errors in it and people will take you more seriously. Maybe.
posted by grum@work at 03:06 PM on November 12, 2005
Whatever Grum.... Your prediction was wrong.... mine wasn´t! Deal with it.... Mock yourself now if you please !
posted by zippinglou at 11:43 PM on November 12, 2005
Whatever Grum.... Your prediction was wrong.... mine wasn´t! Deal with it.... Mock yourself now if you please ! My prediction was wrong. So were previous ones I made about earlier rounds of the playoffs. I have no problem admitting I was wrong about those guesses. It's one of the follies of making a prediction; you guess wrong, people can bring it up. But at least I made a prediction. The only difference was that my prediction was actually made before all the information was available. Your "postdiction" was done after the season was already completed. That wasn't impressive, that was easy. It seems other people gets the silliness of your "postdiction". If you want to make a prediction, you should try to make one for the 2006 season. Go ahead, make a guess on the following awards: AL Manager of the Year AL MVP AL Cy Young AL East Champions AL West Champions AL Central Champions AL Rookie of the Year
posted by grum@work at 08:04 PM on November 13, 2005
OK you two, get a room!
posted by qbert72 at 06:45 AM on November 14, 2005
Can't say I disagree with either choice.