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November 02, 2005
Yankees Make Some Changes: The Yankees, in need of some management, just signed Lee Mazolli- the former manager of the Baltimore Orioles, as their new bench coach, and Larry Bowa- their new third base coach.
posted by redsoxrgay to baseball at 02:14 PM - 27 comments
Bowa's supposedly coming in to be the hard-ass.
posted by yerfatma at 02:48 PM on November 02, 2005
i have no problem with Bowa coming in. he's supposed be a pretty good 3B coach (much better than Louis "the windmill" Sojo). and it's Mazzilli, btw.
posted by goddam at 02:51 PM on November 02, 2005
So many times I've seen teams bring in these ex-managers as coaches and the next day the clock is ticking on the Date Current Manager Will Be Fired Pool. What's the over/under for Torre?
posted by billsaysthis at 03:28 PM on November 02, 2005
Torre is not going anywhere.
posted by jojomfd1 at 04:53 PM on November 02, 2005
Hey goddam- I knew I spelled it wrong, but I was too lazy to look back at the article and check the name. : ) But anyway, Bowa and MAZZILLI (lol) are a significant upgrade from Sojo and Girardi. Especially Sojo- he wasnt ever a great player, and was never that great of a coach. Bowa at least has some experience, and def more leadership.
posted by redsoxrgay at 05:25 PM on November 02, 2005
Bowa's supposedly coming in to be the hard-ass. Maybe he can crack down on a-rod's gambling.
posted by graymatters at 05:36 PM on November 02, 2005
"the windmill"??? Now that's classic
posted by ELWAY_FAN at 06:08 PM on November 02, 2005
Torre is out by all-star break if he is not in first place. Don't you think george will be tired of paying all that money with no results? Bowa comes in to knock some heads together. It seems like joe doesn't care anymore.
posted by whodat at 06:15 PM on November 02, 2005
Maybe he can crack down on a-rod's gambling. I can't believe this hasn't become it's own thread yet. What a disaster, a guy with a $200,000,000 dollar contract playing poker!! Gambling around New York is always illegal until the state can find a way to get their share. Then it's just fantastic!! Every other station on TV has poker this, poker that, but when a mega millionaire gets in a game, we have to find something wrong with it? Making it illegal is so far beyond a joke it's not even funny. As for Bowa, if the Yanks get to the point where they can Torre and put Bowa at the helm, all hope is lost anyways.
posted by dyams at 07:34 PM on November 02, 2005
With that much cheddar, why the hell doesn't he buy a plane and fly to Vegas to gamble? Who says you get what you pay for?
posted by yankeeswallow at 08:02 PM on November 02, 2005
The problem is not A-Rod playing poker; the games are regularly raided by the cops. Not exactly what the Yankees envisioned on the back page when they signed A-Rod.
posted by yerfatma at 08:12 PM on November 02, 2005
Not exactly what the Yankees envisioned on the back page when they signed A-Rod. Woulda been a lot worse if they'd found that dead hooker.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 09:41 PM on November 02, 2005
I'm not saying A Rod did it or anything; in fact, I think Greg Maddux was in town. He's a known knife freak.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 09:42 PM on November 02, 2005
Yankees Make Some Changes Some would suggest it's like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic...
posted by grum@work at 01:08 AM on November 03, 2005
The Yankees problems are in the field, not in the dugout. Even though Bernie Williams is one of the most beloved Yankees in history, he's old and no longer effective. The Yankees probably won't re-sign Bernie, which is sad in a way, but it's time for some new blood. The Kevin Brown fiasco is over and oldtimers like Rubin Sierra and Tino Martinez need to call it a day and pack it in. For years the Yanks have mortgaged their farm system and their young prospects for the "win now" philosophy. The failure of this strategy (and injuries to the pitching staff) caused the collapse this year. Building great teams take time, and the Yankees need to plan for the future. Both Mazzilli and Bowa are solid baseball guys, which should help the Yankees, but Girardi is a good baseball man too.
posted by jm_mosier at 05:46 AM on November 03, 2005
Not exactly what the Yankees envisioned on the back page when they signed A-Rod. Maybe Congress will have hearings regarding illegal card-playing in major league baseball. A-Rod COULD get busted for playing in these games and I wouldn't care. If someone wants to get nitpicky, any card game anywhere in New York state, when played for money, could get busted up, even the ones you play in your buddie's house once a week. It's the same with football tickets, football pools, etc. It's all, technically, illegal. If you want to have a legal gambling problem or addiction you're only allowed to do so in Atlantic City, Las Vegas (etc), Indian Reservations, or other Casino's where the money benefits hypocritical governments. Don't hold A-Rod (or any athlete) to standards the rest of society don't subscribe to. Besides, he looks just like Phil Ivey, so he should be playing high stake games.
posted by dyams at 05:49 AM on November 03, 2005
Don't hold A-Rod (or any athlete) to standards the rest of society don't subscribe to. If I'm dropping $25 million a year for his services, I'll hold him to any damn standard I feel like.
posted by yerfatma at 06:22 AM on November 03, 2005
If I'm dropping $25 million a year for his services, I'll hold him to any damn standard I feel like. I didn't know you, personally, were "dropping" that much for his services. My apologies.
posted by dyams at 07:14 AM on November 03, 2005
The Orioles and Yankees should be proud of their Italian heritage managerial heirarchy....Torre, Mazilli, Perlozzo, Mazzone.....Waiting for the O's to announce the hiring of Tony Soprano as their Third Base coach, and Luca Brasi as their 'hitting' instructor! Oh, both would obviously get offers they can't refuse.
posted by OldSchoolBall at 08:23 AM on November 03, 2005
any card game anywhere in New York state, when played for money, could get busted up, even the ones you play in your buddie's house once a week. It's the same with football tickets, football pools, etc. It's all, technically, illegal. I was under the impression that poker games are only illegal if the house takes a cut (rake) from the game. The same with football pools: they are legit as long as the person running them doesn't make a profit from it.
posted by grum@work at 08:48 AM on November 03, 2005
If someone wants to get nitpicky, any card game anywhere in New York state, when played for money, could get busted up, even the ones you play in your buddie's house once a week. i'm pretty sure it's only illegal if the house takes a cut.
posted by goddam at 08:52 AM on November 03, 2005
um, or what grum already said.
posted by goddam at 08:53 AM on November 03, 2005
I didn't know you, personally, were "dropping" that much for his services. My apologies. Uh-huh. Can't argue with my point, so you act as though you don't comprehend simple rhetoric. Or maybe you don't? Rhetorical question intentional, so don't bother picking that nit.
posted by yerfatma at 08:58 AM on November 03, 2005
I was under the impression that poker games are only illegal if the house takes a cut (rake) from the game. The same with football pools: they are legit as long as the person running them doesn't make a profit from it. posted by grum@work at 8:48 AM CST on November 3 ABSOLUTELY WRONG. A set-back tournament at the Polish American Citizens Club was raided by the cops. The club was ordered shut for 8 weeks and a large fine was levied. The club took no cut. Every cent was paid out in prize money. All the club got out of it was pretty good booze sales, and a fine and closing. The court didn't care, or even ask, if the club took a cut.
posted by drevl at 05:40 PM on November 03, 2005
ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Well, then I stand corrected. Up here in Canuckistan, people hold card games all the time without fear of police interference. Hell, one of my regulars at a weekly card game IS a copper. As long as the house makes no money from the event, they don't care.
posted by grum@work at 06:30 PM on November 03, 2005
Well, I did a quick bit of Googling and found that in the state of New York, the people doing the gambling (card players) will not be charged. Only the house/club that is holding the event can be charged. As directed, the State legislature “has legislated in the field of gambling and by the Penal Law, delineated the conduct to be prohibited throughout the state.” Wilkerson, 342 N.Y.S.2d at 942. Significantly, “[t]he only gambling activities which are prohibited are promoting gambling (PL §§ 225.05 and 225.10), possession of gambling records (PL §§ 225.15 and 225.20) and possession of a gambling device (PL § 225.30).” People v. Melton, 578 N.Y.S.2d 377, 378 (N.Y. Sup. 1991). Therefore, playing or engaging in its play are not explicitly prohibited by New York penal laws. So ARod would face zero criminal charges for being in an illegal poker room if it got shut down.
posted by grum@work at 06:38 PM on November 03, 2005
Now that's balance. Bowa's been thrown out of too many games to count and Lee Mazolli had to work at getting thrown out to prove the point that he could.