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September 13, 2010
Is Mike Vick Back? : Kevin Kolb got tackled hard from behind by Clay Matthews. He went out and later I found out that the tackle gave him a concussion. I was instantly excited when Kevin was injured, not because I like to see players hurt but I knew Mike Vick would be coming into the game.
Philly must be regretting letting McNabb go. He may not have been the best QB but he is way better than Vick. Vick looked good primarily because the Packers were prepared to face a pocket passer in Kolb, then when he went down, the defense was a little tired as it was the first game of the season, and Vick comes in with fresh legs and no doubt he is a great runner. Frankly if a team is prepared for him this style of play only is good when things are breaking down and will not serve a pro team well.
On the other hand Washington is greatly improved with McNabb and they proved it by hanging in there to beat Dallas. Don't be surprised if that division comes down to the Giants and Washington. I stated last year when they got Vick that despite the happy face McNabb was putting on, the aquisition of Vick was the team saying McNabb days were numbered. Unfortunately although I have never been a big fan of McNabb, I am now hoping he does good and gets to make Philly pay for treating him so poorly..
Philly has demonstrated very poor management by getting rid of a proven and very adequate QB in favor of the unproven Kolb and Vick who is proven to be an exciting but erratic QB and bad leader. Now they made a huge mistake by letting a QB go with deep knowledge of their system to a division rival. Also now one week into the season they have a QB controversy on their hands. Very poor planning if you ask me.
posted by Atheist at 01:15 PM on September 13, 2010
Philly must be regretting letting McNabb go. He may not have been the best QB but he is way better than Vick ...considering he was in that system for 11 years.
Fixed that for you.
This was Vick's chance to prove that he is still a capable QB and he more than showed that yesterday. Granted, it was just 1 game but he sure looked like the Mike Vick from his Atlanta Falcons days. Scary good.
On the other hand Washington is greatly improved with McNabb and they proved it by hanging in there to beat Dallas.
You're kidding right? I do hope that you are....or blind.
Washington was horrible yesterday and if it wasn't for the gimmes that Dallas gave up to them, it would be a different story. Mind you, the Dallas D gave up only 6 points yesterday and McNabb was brutal.
What game were you watching?
posted by BornIcon at 01:33 PM on September 13, 2010
Frankly if a team is prepared for him this style of play only is good when things are breaking down and will not serve a pro team well.
Except Philadelphia wasn't exactly prepared for Vick as starting QB either. He didn't get snaps with the first team and the plays weren't created with him in mind. It goes both ways.
posted by bperk at 01:38 PM on September 13, 2010
McNabb was brutal? Really? What game were you watching?
posted by 86 at 02:42 PM on September 13, 2010
McNabb was brutal? Really? What game were you watching?
The one where he completed less than 50% of his passes, had just over 5 yards per attempt and a 60-ish QB rating?
posted by holden at 02:55 PM on September 13, 2010
I think "brutal" is stretching it, but McNabb had a so-so performance at best. Washington's offense still can't score on the Cowboys.
posted by rcade at 03:04 PM on September 13, 2010
I think "brutal" is stretching it, but McNabb had a so-so performance at best. Washington's offense still can't score on the Cowboys.
Cowboys have a very good D, but completing less than 50% of passes is pretty brutal. McNabb was 28th of 29 QBs who got snaps in completion percentage, 24th in yards per attempt and 24th in QB rating. We can get semantic about what constitutes brutal in the aggregate (and, to McNabb's credit, he did not turn over the ball and managed to only get sacked once), but his yards per attempt and completion percentage are basically what JaMarcus Russell put up last year.
posted by holden at 03:13 PM on September 13, 2010
Not really sticking up for McNabb, as I thought he was so-so at best, however, down the stretch his receivers dropped several very catchable passes.
posted by dviking at 03:34 PM on September 13, 2010
I think Vick is finally back, and the NFC East should take note. The Eagles have some scary weapons on offense and if it hadn't been for Philly's perpetual inability to move the chains in short down situations they'd have knocked off a supposed Super Bowl favorite. Give Mike and the offense some time to adjust, and Philly is going to start collecting some serious scalps.
posted by Goyoucolts at 03:38 PM on September 13, 2010
What particular play was brutal? He had two (2) bad passes, that is it. And they fell to dirt, not to Cowboys. No interceptions. No fumbles. No lost looks. No blatant mis-reads.
Add in four dropped passes, as well. Moss dropped a key first down. Sellers dropped two more throws. Armstrong dropped the second-down fade that should have been a TD.
He played serviceable, so-so football, nothing more. And this may all be semantics, but I\'ve seen \"brutal\" QB play (a lot over the last decade) and this was certainly an improvement.
posted by 86 at 03:40 PM on September 13, 2010
Compared to the way I've seen McNabb play against the Cowboys in the past, my assessment about his game yesterday was pretty spot on.
..down the stretch his receivers dropped several very catchable passes.
It's still considered an incompletion no matter how you slice it.
Look at what happened with Eli Manning yesterday. All 3 of his picks were from very good throws that his receivers allowed to bounce off of their body which the defenders then picked off mid air, it's still an interception.
posted by BornIcon at 03:40 PM on September 13, 2010
What particular play was brutal? He had two (2) bad passes, that is it. And they fell to dirt, not to Cowboys. No interceptions. No fumbles. No lost looks. No blatant mis-reads.
And this is the danger of going just by the stats; I will admit that I did not watch the majority of the game.
posted by holden at 03:41 PM on September 13, 2010
Vick looked good but appeared out of game shape on that last series. He did carry the team in 2nd half and it's understandable if he was gassed.
McNabb was pretty decent against Dallas, had 1 or 2 bad throws, but his receivers dropped half a dozen balls. He's in a new system with new receivers, made no mistakes, and won the game - if that's brutal, Redskins fans hope he's brutal another 12 times this season.
... Alex Smith in the Niners game defines BBBrutal. Missed wide open receivers on lob passes for TDs several times , threw picks for the same. Is Jeff Garcia still looking for work?
posted by cixelsyd at 05:30 PM on September 13, 2010
McNabb absolutely did not win the game for Washington. Dallas gave it to them on a silver platter.
I do agree with you about Alex Smith though, he's beyond brutal.
posted by BornIcon at 06:28 PM on September 13, 2010
... but he sure looked like the Mike Vick from his Atlanta Falcons days.
A so-so quarterback that loses too many games. He lost again. Just like in Atlanta.
Runs very well. Passing...not so much. Vick has to learn that he can't do everything himself. He has to involve the other 10 guys that are in his huddle.
If he has little faith in those other 10, he has to learn to find another way for the other 10 and himself to jell. He is supposed to be the field leader.
He failed at that in Atlanta.
posted by roberts at 07:17 PM on September 13, 2010
Is Jeff Garcia still looking for work?
posted by grum@work at 07:33 PM on September 13, 2010
He failed at that in Atlanta.
Is that why Atlanta signed Vick to a 10-year; $130 million contract extension that guaranted him a then NFL-record of $37 million in bonuses in 2005? Ummmmm...Yeah
posted by BornIcon at 07:58 PM on September 13, 2010
No, the Falcons gave him that contract because he did something that no other player in the history of the Falcons franchise (pace Deon Sanders) had ever done: he put butts in seats. Mike Vick sells tickets. And jerseys. And bobbleheads. In Atlanta, decidedly a lesser franchise in the scope of the league, that was as important as winning games. In Philly, where ticket sales aren't the issue, he's gonna hafta win games.
And as a Falcons fan who watched his whole career closely, I have my doubts about that.
But win or lose, love him or hate him, Mike Vick is hands down the most fun player to watch in the NFL.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 10:26 PM on September 13, 2010
Living in Atlanta during the Vick era, I agree with BitterOldPunk. He may not won us all the games, but IIRC, the Georgia Dome was always sold out and the place was rocking whenever he had the ball- always a problem beforehand. And he's definitely one of the most exciting players to watch. He may rocket an INT to the wrong team or scamper for a 50 yard rush. I loved watching Falcons football when he was around.
posted by jmd82 at 10:40 PM on September 13, 2010
I think he is. I don't know what the eagles will do if Kolb is healthy to return but I think the smart decision would be to go with Vick. I love love love the Packers but I got extremely nervous when Vick came in. He gave them a chance to win. He's still a little rusty but with more time I think he will win more games than Kolb.