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September 07, 2009
Patriots Trade Richard Seymour to Raiders: The New England Patriots have traded five-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman Richard Seymour to the Oakland Raiders for a first-round pick in 2011.
Just saw that dfleming. The sports radio listener-type fans are going nuts. It feels weird, but Seymour hasn't had a great year since about 2005 and was a free agent at the end of the year. Still something odd about it being a 2011 (not '10) pick.
posted by yerfatma at 11:34 AM on September 06, 2009
The Seymour trade illustrates the progress Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, and Mike Wright have made. It also shows that they are quite comfortable with the work of rookies Ron Brace and Myron Pryor. Look for the Patriots to use a lot more 4-3 this year. Also noteworthy on the Patriots beat is the trade of TE Dave Thomas (no, not the hamburger guy) and the acquisition of Michael Matthews, TE, from the Giants. Matthews is a big (6'4'', 270#) tight end, so I look for more running this year to complement the already potent passing game.
posted by Howard_T at 01:03 PM on September 06, 2009
Still something odd about it being a 2011 (not '10) pick.
I'm assuming that Al Davis believes his team will be thatmuch better next year than this year.
posted by dfleming at 01:59 PM on September 06, 2009
I think the Pats are happy with a 2011 pick because the cap rules may be different by then and they might not have to overpay a Round 1 pick. If they even keep the pick. Belichick seems to have an aversion to first rounders.
I can't believe that the Raiders expect that Seymour will come in and play up to his Pats level in the Raider environment, and that the team will be so much better for it that they can justify trading away a future top pick. The general trend seems to be that guys who go to Oakland play worse than they did before and that New England is the opposite - they tend to get good value and performance out of incoming veteran players. Not always, but a lot of the time.
I feel bad for Seymour. For him, the trade is like a one season sentence to serve time with a poorly run franchise and when his contract is up at the end of the season, his value around the league will have dropped unless he has a big year. It will be hard for him to stay motivated this year and do well.
posted by beaverboard at 01:53 PM on September 07, 2009
The general trend seems to be that guys who go to Oakland play worse than they did before and that New England is the opposite...
It's about the environment they're in. If I'm at work and I'm in a good mood, the day seems to go by faster than it would it if I was in a shitty mood. Otherwise, the day would just drag on which in turn would make me even more miserable.
posted by BornIcon at 02:15 PM on September 07, 2009
The general trend seems to be that guys who go to Oakland play worse than they did before and that New England is the opposite...
It's more than environment. When you are surrounded by better players, you are able to concentrate on what you do well, and leave the other guys to do what they do well. This has been the essence of New England football since the Bill Parcells days
There's more to the Seymour trade than meets the eye, as Peter Prisco reports on cbssports.com. I think Prisco's being a bit harsh, but Seymour's history does give some credence to this analysis.
posted by Howard_T at 03:40 PM on September 07, 2009
this move also follows recent Patriot deals, jettisoning venerable veterans who have a year left, nearing age 30 (or over). Think McGinest, Vinateiri, Law, Samuels, Vrabel, and many other who had good years then were traded before the career-ending contract needed to be signed. In general, these deals have worked oput for the Pats, and the other teams do get a good year, two, sometimes more from the player. Its a business, pro football, and we all know it. This just shows who the good businessmen are. (Did I really just say THAT about Al Davis???)
posted by Leominster at 07:04 PM on September 07, 2009
It's more than environment
I would hope so, otherwise the Dolphins would be winning every year.
This just shows who the good businessmen are. (Did I really just say THAT about Al Davis???)
I thought you were talking about Bill Belichick.
posted by BornIcon at 08:44 PM on September 07, 2009
Seymour hasn't reported to Raiders: "Five-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman Richard Seymour did not report to the Oakland Raiders on Monday, a day after being acquired in a trade with the New England Patriots. Raiders coach Tom Cable said after practice that Seymour had to resolve some things with the Patriots before the deal for a first-round pick in 2011 could be finalized."
posted by billsaysthis at 11:21 PM on September 07, 2009
24 hours seems like a fairly short period to get your affairs in order and report to a new job 3000 miles away. Is there an NFL standard for this sort of thing, or does it go team by team?
If it were me and Tom "assistant coach smacking" Cable start giving me shit about taking more than 24 hours to go from the best to the worst, I'd say fuck 'em and retire.
posted by irunfromclones at 03:13 PM on September 08, 2009
Seymour has still not shown up in Aldavisland.
In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
posted by billsaysthis at 12:10 PM on September 09, 2009
Four days and counting. Maybe he's just clubbing with Crabtree.
posted by irunfromclones at 01:03 AM on September 11, 2009
Considering that pick will likely be top 5 and Seymour is on the decline (and it gives us the salary flexibility to sign Vince Wilfork), I think this is an absolute steal.