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Video: Diamondbacks Catcher Chris Snyder Fractures Left Testicle

Would you say "the ball's in Synder court".

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:04 PM on July 03, 2008

Joe Buck Prefers Bachelorette to Baseball

Joe Buck is a OK announcer until he's stacked up against the greats of the past, and then he may seem ordinary. Rather watch something else (insert program) other than baseball. Not surprised, stated about 18 months to 2 years ago it he wanted to go in another direction in entertainment field other than sports. Can't remember the interviewer or all the details, but that one fact stuck in my memory. As far a baseball games lasting to long-never watch them live. Record and watch later, so can skip through the commercials. Get away with it because work evening and games are generally over by the time arrive home.

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:48 PM on July 03, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

And I have one question for you: posted by THX-1138 at 3:19 PM CDT on Go ahead, however I may not answer. Have a nice day.

posted by giveuptheghost at 03:37 PM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

I give up, you didn't answer the question with you and didn't answer the question when posed as a emplyee/owner of ad agency. I'll accept "family friendly", and accept you don't like it. Case closed. There is one question I would like to ask, however it doesn't relate to thread, and really just for my own curiosity. Have a nice day.

posted by giveuptheghost at 03:00 PM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

You presume that marketing to "families" is my goal. Who said anything about your goal. The owner goals are the question here. What term would you use if you had the ad account and wanted to make the stadium conductive to family members. You don't like "family friendly", give a alternative, if you don't agree with something, suggest something better or more appropriate.

posted by giveuptheghost at 02:44 PM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

Why does a sporting event have to cater to a family? Obvouisly at Arrowhead they do, or the Chiefs would prohibit children from entering the stadium. They want future fans, easy question. infant wailing his head off. Infants or toddlers are not allowed to cry even if some drunk throws a beer on them from above. If your bringing a child to the game, they should be (with their parents) segregated at the back of the stadium, because we as a society don't want to subject the other fans to their incessant crying and shitty diapers in the isles. If these rules are acceptable to you and others, maybe all dissatisfied fans should sign a petition, and send to the Chiefs and other NFL teams around the league. When, and if they arrive at the same time at NFL offices, the collective laughter will be so loud, you'd welcome the incessant wailing from children. Not trying to make light of your opinion-just pointing out real life.

posted by giveuptheghost at 02:33 PM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

Sure. I'll grant you that. However I've never witnessed a drunk person throwing open mustard packets and shitting his pants and screaming at a level that hurts even my damaged ears. Your trying to tell me a child is screaming louder than fans at football game. Find this very hard to believe. Never was puked on by a child from above, either. Well, if that's your feeling, let them make a rule that no children under the age of 13 be allowed in stadium ( see if that will fly with the owners), or parents that can not control there kids be asked to leave the stadium. Just like they do drunks, however they are usually escorted out in handcuffs and not politely , I might add. As far a child soiling himself, make a rule to have children changed at bathrooms, most of them have changing stations. llb-what term would you use to try and market a facility that welcomes all members from the same domestic unit ? Put your marketing shoes on, and tell me what term you would use. The owners are not trying to equate "civilized with family", there trying to sell a product and want to make it as accommodating as possible for all members of the family.

posted by giveuptheghost at 11:57 AM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

Does it have to be either/or? 'Cos if so, I really don't like either of those options, but I have much better luck and experience dealing with drunken idiots than I do screeching children. Prefer neither also, but I never witness a child cussing or spilling beer all over other fans, and if they stand ; still can sit in my seat and see the game. Besides, most parents are responsible enough to wheel in their children in, if they become unruly. Of course, there are exception to any scenario, be it in the stadium or the grocery store.

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:34 AM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

I guess that's what it's come to. I'm with lbb that the focus on "family" puts a spin on it I could do without, but I'm guessing (hoping) that's just a cover to slip in some behavior rules. Look, today kids are tomorrow adult fans. Football is a business and the owners are trying to sell a product. Using family friendly is a good a term as any other. As far as spin, name one thing that doesn't have a spin on it in today's culture.

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:38 AM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

hate the code-phrase "family-friendly". Just hate it to death. So-called "families" don't have some kind of moral monopoly on civilized behavior, as any observation of a family with out-of-control kids out in public will tell you. Who said they do. Rather have a rambunctious child than some drunk swearing idiot sitting in front of me. Reason never took my children to football games was because of that very fact. Baseball games for some reason (at least in St. Louis and staying out of bleachers) were more hospitable to families.

posted by giveuptheghost at 07:56 AM on July 02, 2008

Are you ready for some football?....Sit Down!

especially if the person responsible for coming up with the rules is an 85-year-old woman who teaches the 2nd grade and regards standing up as one of the evil things that young whippersnappers often do. You mean to say this guy could not learn a lesson from a 85 year old lady. Geez, what a prick.

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:15 PM on July 01, 2008

Landis Loses

MMAFighter/Coach- Of course your right, but to be bombarded constantly with all this abuse/cheating is wearing me thin.

posted by giveuptheghost at 01:07 PM on July 01, 2008

Barry Bonds offers to play for free.

minimum pro-rated salary donated to buying tickets for kids" certainly suggests he's not looking to be a prima donna. Unfortunately Hal, fans and perhaps major league ballclubs, have long memories on prickdom and short memories on alleged lying and cheating. Like to see him play again, however being realistic, don't see much chance of that happening.

posted by giveuptheghost at 10:43 PM on June 30, 2008

Landis Loses

Quite frankly, I'm sick and tried of hearing about steroids this, steroids that. Let them all dope and use steroids; kill themselves if they want and make parents responsible for their children-if that's what everybody is worried about. Boy, this a gigantic pain in the ass.

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:10 PM on June 30, 2008

Dodgers beat Angels without a hit.

It's not just ri-dic-ulous... it's re-COCK-ulous! Meaning very ridiculous... :) Adam Carolla said that often on Loveline, as I understand it. Thanks Hal :) Made my day.

posted by giveuptheghost at 07:34 PM on June 30, 2008

First Class?

Ruth Mays Clemente Williams Gehrig Didn't include any pitchers, but my 6th choice would have been Seaver.

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:12 AM on June 30, 2008

Dodgers beat Angels without a hit.

full required amount of innings without a premature ending is . This recockulous game lasted the full 9 innings; Hal, please give definition of word in bold type.

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:04 PM on June 29, 2008

Astros' Shawn Chacon Suspended After Fight with GM

I am a decorated veteran of the United States Navy who served in Desert Sheild and Desert Storm. I've been shot twice and survived a helicopter crash that left me with five pins that hold my right thumb onto my hand. Thank you for your service to your country.

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:07 PM on June 28, 2008

Barry Bonds offers to play for free.

Steriods aside, wish somebdy would pick him up. Enjoy watching swinging the bat as if it was a toothpick. Many alledged steriods users playing today. Why not Bonds? Cardinals sure could have used him when Pujols was out.

posted by giveuptheghost at 10:21 PM on June 27, 2008

Astros' Shawn Chacon Suspended After Fight with GM

Wade has a history of talking to players in unprofessional matter If you read the comments being posted in response to the original story, there's a great one from a Phillie fan who says Wade has been prone to this sort of thing since he was GM there. I have also heard and read the same complaints, and apparently Scott Rolen hated Wade with a passion. Source wfrazier from previous post Chacon was not exactly praising GM and head coach for the demotion. When Chacon learned Sunday of the Astros' plans to drop him from the rotation, he characterized the decision as "horse (expletive)." Through agent Dan Horwits, Chacon began lobbying for a trade-Source Houston Chronicle Now I don't mean to nit pic , but it does sounds to me like somebody is pretty pissed off when they say horse (expletive) and I'm sure wfrazier would not post something not to be true about Wade in Philadelphia.

posted by giveuptheghost at 07:04 PM on June 27, 2008

Astros' Shawn Chacon Suspended After Fight with GM

I doubt Wade expected Chacon to act like a child and resort to physicalities. I'll comment on what is written in article and not on what Wade thoughts were prior to getting knocked on his ass. Maybe your right, still doesn't diminish the fact that Wade was dealing with a volatile situation and should have backed away. If I was to suppose, Chacon was probably bad mouthing the GM and Manager and pissed them off. So they decided to extend their authority, and put Chacon in his place and let him know who's the boss. Which is within their rights to do, because they run the team. But, Wade has a responsibility to take the higher ground and not make it worse.

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:53 PM on June 27, 2008

Astros' Shawn Chacon Suspended After Fight with GM

They'll just cut him. See ya. Bye. Exactly, that's the way Wade should have handled the refusal at the very beginning. Look, you already had a pitcher pissed (Wade had to know that) off about the demotion, and then his refusal to go into your office sends you a clear message (unless your a idiot) that the guy is going to be confrontational. Walk away and be the professional, sign the paperwork and get the guy off the team before the incident give sports writers across American and bloggers on Sportfi something to write about. Moral of this story-don't make matter worst than they have to be. Don't ever poke a stick at a angry dog. Geez-this a no brainer. Dah!

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:14 PM on June 27, 2008

Astros' Shawn Chacon Suspended After Fight with GM

Did you read the whole thing or just go off half cocked ? I regret what happened. Your opinion of me is not the point. I could care less what you think of me regarding my situation, and quite frankly I'm not seeking approval from you or anybody else. Story was to make a point and not to focus on my behavior. I'm saying, in certain situations things happen that we regret, and if situation was handles differently, a disastrous outcome would not have happen and there would be no comments about the fight in this thread.

posted by giveuptheghost at 11:38 AM on June 27, 2008

Astros' Shawn Chacon Suspended After Fight with GM

Can relate a personal experience that sorta parallels this one. Boss wanted to speak to me in office and I pretty much knew what it was about. I refused and told him to fire me or let me get back to my work. He then replied "Get your ass in the office right now" , so my boss found himself on the ground with a swollen eye. Packed up my stuff and left the building. Nobody pressed charges and no police were involved. Want to know the kicker, seven months later the vice president of the company asked me to come back and take my old boss's job. Seem this happen 2 more times since I left and finally the higher ups got fed up. Don't know Wade or Chacon and sometimes details get jumbled, especially when there is heated exchange. Both acted childish if the facts are correct in report. Regretted my actions and sure both parties are sorry for the incident. Before anyone jumps on Chacon , keep in mind when temper flare unreasonable behavior is surly to follow and the best course of action was to release Chacon and let it go at that. Wade has a history of talking to players in unprofessional matter and appears Chacon was not exactly praising GM and head coach for the demotion. Wade should have recognized what was going to happen and left it alone and got rid of him. Period.

posted by giveuptheghost at 10:15 AM on June 27, 2008

George Carlin: (Late) Sports Authority

"You can't pick your balls during a game anyway." George would have been proud. RIP.

posted by giveuptheghost at 01:32 PM on June 24, 2008

AFI names its top 10 sports movies

Where the hell is "Bang the Drum Slowly". If they omit that movie, this list is not worth a shit. Who the hell votes on these lists? Bunch of girlie men.

posted by giveuptheghost at 03:10 PM on June 19, 2008

Ring it up! Celtics crush Lakers for 17th title

You may now commence your hatred. This has already been one hell of a decade for Boston sports fans, and there's still 2 and a half years left... Nothing like a gracious winner. Congrads to the Celtics and their fans.

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:30 PM on June 18, 2008

Upon further review, He's out!!!

Call me a traditionalist or old fogee, but I'm against this change. Like the way the game is played right now and human error is not going to change that many blown calls by umpires. I didn't read all of the comments and this may have been say before-not sure it will stop with home runs only. Use the instant replay to get rid of umpires with extraordinary amount of blow calls. Weed them out, just like major league ball teams keeps the best players for their lineups.

posted by giveuptheghost at 06:02 PM on June 14, 2008


Sandy Koufax was the best pitcher I personally saw(stats not-with-standing). Will not argue the point about best pitcher. The greatest player is Ruth, unless somebody can come up with a player that had exceptional career as position player with monster numbers at the plate, and exceptional pitching career as well. Griffey will be remenbered as a excellant player and among the best that ever stepped onto a ballfield. Many injuries should not preclue one from greatness, but should enhance the status because of perserverence and dedication to one craft.

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:13 PM on June 11, 2008


Sany Koufax was the best pitcher I ever saw. Greatness has nothing to longevity or durability. Ask the old timers who saw him pitch and they tell you with a smile the greatness of the man. Despite being in total agony, his greatness showed every time he pitched. Griffy is in same league, a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame and personal favorite of mine. Congrads to one of the sweetest swings in baseball history.

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:28 PM on June 10, 2008

Bill Bavasi, helping:

See, I agree with this- although part of the frustration is that only a crazy person would think this season is still salvageable. Who said anything about season being salvageable for the Mariners. Did your team lose alot of games when playing as a kid? Did that sour you on the game itself? Of course not. Boy, the joy of taking my boys to the game when they were young was the most enjoyable times in my life. They didn't concern themselves with winning or losing, but going with their old man. Love the sport and don't fret over situations you have no control over. Enjoy the atmosphere-take yourself back to the first time you entered a major league ballpark and the feeling of awe at the mere size of the stadium. Keep your childhood perspective of the game and you'll be a much happier fan.

posted by giveuptheghost at 05:42 PM on June 05, 2008

Bill Bavasi, helping:

THX-1138- See what you mean. Don't give up on your team. Look at Boston just a few short years ago, and Tampa Bay making a nice run in the East. My Cardinals are playing way better than expected. You'll see the difference if you look at things half full instead of half empty. So get your hats and pennant out of the closet, go to see a couple of games, show Seattle what a true fan is all about and enjoy the game for the love of the sport-win or lose.

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:30 PM on June 05, 2008

Johnson says he'll return medal

Please forgive me if I seem skeptical. Your forgiven.

posted by giveuptheghost at 03:02 PM on June 05, 2008

Johnson says he'll return medal

I mind my own business, too, but I don't blind myself to the actions of those around me if said actions might negatively impact me. If I can help it. "If I can help it", is the crux of the matter. Listen, everybody has been duped or short changed in their lifetime. Usually the reason we become more saavy as we get older is due to experiences throughout the years. Met people also that give benefit of doubt due to friendship or being teammates and been disappointed down the road.

posted by giveuptheghost at 06:48 PM on June 04, 2008

Johnson says he'll return medal

What I would like to know is how he wasn't aware that everyone else was doping? Johnson probably one of those individual that minds his own business and concerns himself with his own interests. Also, one of the track stars to be admired for his intregrity and sense of fair play.

posted by giveuptheghost at 01:12 PM on June 04, 2008

Kimbo Slice is Going Primetime

The "winning" participant must kill both his opponent and at least one "fan" in the audience, then drink their blood whilst Joe Rogan throws 100 year old rotten eggs at their mother. Hear, hear!

posted by giveuptheghost at 10:57 AM on June 01, 2008

Kimbo Slice is Going Primetime

MMA is not a big attraction for me and don't follow. CBS wants to try and see if garners some support on their network- it's ok with me, however some sort of disclaimer should be in place for excessive violence for persons not familiar with the sport.

posted by giveuptheghost at 01:52 PM on May 30, 2008

Game 3.

The Penquins are being outclasses and played by a superior team. Series will go 5 games at the most.

posted by giveuptheghost at 02:47 PM on May 28, 2008

Josh Beckett Won't Return My Phone Calls

Fans were more personally committed to their athletic heroes in the day when magazine profile writing was ..... Reminds me of a story a ex-brother-in law told me while working as part time security guard in the 60's at the old Busch Stadium. Being the on field security, he had the opportunity to B.S with a lot of players while practicing before games. Got to know them quite well and actually invited them to dinner at his home. I'm talking about Bob Gibson, Julian Javier, Dale Maxville and Curt Flood to name a few. These were not isolated invites. During the course of the summer this was a regular event. This happening today is probably next to nil. Making this point to underscore the attitude of some players toward the fans and media. However, the fans and media sometimes can be it's own worst enemy. The players of today are paid a salary which the average Joe has no hope of attaining in his life time and has insulated the players from the very people that cause them to attain the status they enjoy. Pete Rose stated, the media can make you a lot more money, if done correctly. Or something to that affect. I can see his point about trying to get a interview, but the athlete's force field probably has some merit , and like anything else, times have changed. And not always for the better.

posted by giveuptheghost at 03:44 PM on May 23, 2008

Puerto Rican Track Kills Losing Thoroughbreds

I'd like to make additional comment about horse meat. It's quite tasty. Not trying to gross anybody out, but if Americans and Puerto Ricans tried the meat, perhaps a market could be formed and all this conservation would be a moot point. Don't dismiss the idea, however being a hunter I've eaten beaver, muskrat, possum, mink and raccoon. Fixed properly all are excellant table fare, including horse meat (which has a sweet taste). By the way, butchering horses can be done humanely

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:39 PM on May 17, 2008

Boston Herald Should Name Its SpyGate Source

Journalists would be better off if they were called out on their mistakes like they do to everybody else. The biggest reason Jayson Blair, Jack Kelly and all the other fabulists happened was because journalists face so little scrutiny If you feel comfortable in naming sources I'm not going to belabor the point. That's between a reporter and his own conscience, but I firmly believe in the snowball effect. Once done, it becomes easier and easier to jeopardize your standards until all we have left is everybody out for themselves and sources be damned. Hate to think where that will leave us. Naming sources weather true or untrue is wrong and its reporter responsibility to get it right or not print. The punishment should be determination or censure, but sources should be protected to the dying breath.

posted by giveuptheghost at 01:22 PM on May 17, 2008

Boston Herald Should Name Its SpyGate Source

It's interesting that I'm not allowed to disclose information about their activities -- after 15 years no less -- without violating journalistic ethics. Neat trick. Did the men giving you the information on your article(s) ask that their names not be disclosed? If the answer is affirmative, you answer your own question. If they did give you permission, why all the mumbo jumbo ("More than 15 years have passed, so I can reveal this without getting myself into trouble") before disclosing the information in your editorial. Is there a statue of limitation on journalistic integrity? Or for that matter, intregrity of all sorts.

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:34 PM on May 16, 2008

Puerto Rican Track Kills Losing Thoroughbreds

Are these horses so high maintenance that the owners couldn't just "leave the gate open"? Unlike domesticated pigs that become feral. Horses raised in captivity have little or no chance to survive in the real world. What happens in most cases are badly emaciated specimens that will break your heart.

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:16 PM on May 16, 2008

Boston Herald Should Name Its SpyGate Source

John Tomase should be fired. No reporter should print allegations about a video tape without actually seeing the evidence. Editor should also have some culpability for this fiasco and some sort of censor or punishment should follow, however most editor have to trust their reporters and believe they get the story right. As for naming sources I'll respectfully disagree with rcade. Foresee a slippery slope if sources are named no matter what the reason. As for rcade naming sources in the 90's about Dallas. See no useful purpose for this disclosure. Doesn't add to your editorial and actually compromises your opinion on this breach of journalist ethics.

posted by giveuptheghost at 07:03 PM on May 16, 2008

Kershaw- The Next Koufax?

Vic Scully reaction (Public enemy number one) to curve ball to Sean Casey was a classic, and also a glimpse of things that may come. Koufax had the best curveball for lefthander I personally ever seen, and this kid with a few years may surprise a lot of folks.

posted by giveuptheghost at 05:04 PM on May 16, 2008

Teen is running out of innings, but the game still isn't over

Unable to keep a dry eye and also brings back a painful memory. My daughter was diagnosed with cancer while in 2nd year of college. The pain my wife and I went through is indescribable. Fortunately, she beat the cancer and is a mother of three. I extend my prayers and good wishes to the young man and he's family. What there going through is probably the worst imaginable ordeal in their life.

posted by giveuptheghost at 06:01 PM on May 07, 2008

It's been 10 years?!

See similarities between Koufax and Wood's curve ball and the amount of break. Seems curious that both of their arms were shot before their time. Just an observation, but is there a correlation between a magical curve ball and arm problems?

posted by giveuptheghost at 09:45 PM on May 06, 2008

Stolen Bases Are On the Rise

White Rat baseball is back.

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:41 PM on May 05, 2008

Pacman gives Dallas Cowboys a dual threat:

On the Missouri side, I would have no idea. I try not to go there. Why is that hawkguy? Does a rash develop when crossing the boarder? Can give name for great dermatologist if need be. Guaranteed to stop all ailments when coming into Mark Twain land.

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:57 PM on April 24, 2008

The Ten Worst Number One Overall Picks

When he gets out, he may be able to come back into the league and continue to awe fans & opponents alike with his athletic ability. Maybe is right. Virginia may press state charges against him with possibility of 10 year sentence, and Virgina has no provision for parole. If this happens it will make Vick 39 years old.

posted by giveuptheghost at 10:24 PM on April 23, 2008


Wish the Patriots would give the rest of football fans in this country a break.

posted by giveuptheghost at 04:43 PM on April 23, 2008

Fukudome doesn't find racist T-shirts in Wrigleyville funny

Brandy and fellow Sportfi contributitors. Check Please!

posted by giveuptheghost at 07:28 PM on April 22, 2008

Have we returned to the days of 'Gladiators'?

The South Park boys got it right. Blame Canada!

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:23 PM on April 20, 2008

Fukudome doesn't find racist T-shirts in Wrigleyville funny

My intention was not to insult or make light of the selling of tshirts and the racist connotation implied, or to suggest that Internet replies to such conduct do not have some merit. I'm sure skydivedad your one of the forces trying to erase the scourge of racism in this country, however one or a few persons giving example of indifference to racism is not going to stop the prejudice. My intention was to make Sportfi contributors aware the real problem in this country is apathy toward the race problems and the best we all can do is raise our children without the hatred of our forefathers and not writing your disapproval for someone selling a few tshirts on a sport blog. I'm sorry if I offended you.

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:03 PM on April 19, 2008

Fukudome doesn't find racist T-shirts in Wrigleyville funny

Not going to get down on a guy trying to make a buck (although a illegal buck). Recommend examining your own personal beliefs and prejudges. Would rather examine the people buying the tshirts and motivation for their purchase, and pose a question to members of Sportfi. Would you confront the guy selling the tshirts or the people buying? Easy to give lip service over the Internet. Much more effective example would be through your actions and deeds.

posted by giveuptheghost at 05:53 PM on April 19, 2008

Top 10 Unbreakable Sports Records

Ryan's 7 no hitters gets me to thinking, what if Koufax had a full career. Impressive record and probably will never be broken, but one I think is vulnerable if exceptional pitcher comes along in the future.

posted by giveuptheghost at 07:47 PM on April 17, 2008

Top 10 Unbreakable Sports Records

Not listed in read, Walter Johnson 110 shutouts. How that could be omitted is inconceivable.

posted by giveuptheghost at 07:26 PM on April 17, 2008

School team hit for 66 runs in two innings

What coach allows their team to run up score to 66-0 in the second inning? That embarrassing and downright obscene.

posted by giveuptheghost at 06:28 PM on April 17, 2008

Sean Avery does his best to reduce the NHL to the level of the WWE

laud the actions of people whose sole aim in life is to thumb their nose at the things for which many of us carry respect. You took me to task for my opinion based on my observations and moral compass. Like I said ''To each their own" , not my quote. Unlike you, I didn't give a example of a punk ass-why you may ask. Punk ass is in the eye of the beholder. You call Avery antics punk ass, and I don't. Express an opinion that you didn't agree with, OK, fine. May I suggest using another example based on intellect and not vandalism. Disagree with me is fine. Illegal activity is not.

posted by giveuptheghost at 03:28 PM on April 17, 2008

Sean Avery does his best to reduce the NHL to the level of the WWE

And please don't come over the internets and beat me up, even if you're not in a good enough mood to send me to jail. Not to fond of punks that paint my property (your example, not mine). I'll not belabor the point about punks, however though if was funny, and we need more characters in life to sustain us from the super critical spray painters of the world. Your opinion counts, but like I always say, to each his own.

posted by giveuptheghost at 08:29 PM on April 16, 2008