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June 30, 2008
Landis Loses: TAS-CAS rejects Floyd Landis' final appeal. See the TAS-CAS website for full reward.
Aaaaah, shit. This is bad for Landis, bad for cycling, and very very bad for the cause of removing dangerous PEDs from sports.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 11:36 AM on June 30, 2008
This doesn't make me angry, just really, really sad.
posted by chicobangs at 12:40 PM on June 30, 2008
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tried of hearing about steroids this, steroids that. Let them all dope and use steroids; kill themselves if they want and make parents responsible for their children-if that's what everybody is worried about. Boy, this a gigantic pain in the ass.
posted by giveuptheghost at 08:10 PM on June 30, 2008
lil brown bat- I do not think this is altogether BAD for cycling. Maybe it will encourage "clean" riders and give them the hope that maybe they can make it to the biggest stages without doping. If the sport is being cleaned up, the clean athletes will be the ones to reap the rewards. Hopefully it gains a renewed interest from a public that knows their sport is now clean and the best athlete will win. give up the ghost- you are missing the point. there is no reason to give cheaters the edge. If you allow drug use, you are eliminating or hindering at the least, the athletes that work hard, train hard and do the right things. I do not like the fact that a guy I am be facing may be on steroids and have an UNNATURAL advantage that he may not have had otherwise. When you are talking about careers, records and money- YES, it is a very big deal for those of us that do not use/abuse.
posted by MMAFighter/Coach at 12:24 AM on July 01, 2008
MMAFighter/Coach- Of course your right, but to be bombarded constantly with all this abuse/cheating is wearing me thin.
posted by giveuptheghost at 01:07 PM on July 01, 2008
MMAFighteretc.: what you say would be true in an ideal world, but if you've been following the hijinx of WADA and its offshoots, you know that there are serious problems with due process (or lack thereof) that WADA and its spawn have dismissed in a high-handed, autocratic fashion. The Landis case cast substantial doubt on the integrity of the testing procedure and results. Athletes are subjected to invasive and demeaning drug-testing rules and procedures; is it too much to ask for the testing agencies at least adhere to their own procedures with something like integrity? In the real world, this is bad for cycling, and for all other sports that are subject to PED control.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 01:39 PM on July 01, 2008
lilbrownbat...after more research i can see your point. the testing process in cycling is much different than in other sports, maybe because it is international and a lot of the control and process is lost.
posted by MMAFighter/Coach at 05:31 PM on July 01, 2008
The French finally found a way to stop Americans from winning the Tour...Just doctor their test results and call them cheaters...They couldn't make it stick to Armstrong so here we are. Just another of the many reasons to hate the French.
posted by docshredder at 07:16 PM on July 01, 2008
Just another of the many reasons to hate the French. You keep thinking about those reasons this holiday weekend, particularly about how the nasty French waded in to help you win your independence from Britain and saved you from growing up speaking English.
posted by JJ at 03:53 AM on July 02, 2008
Just another of the many reasons to hate the French. Yeah, like helping us win the Revolutionary War, or giving us the Statue of Liberty. What a bunch of jerks.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 06:12 AM on July 02, 2008
Or French fries and the french kiss. God I hate that.
posted by BornIcon at 08:44 AM on July 02, 2008
Let's not forget French Toast and the French Horn.
posted by fabulon7 at 10:03 AM on July 02, 2008
Also the french manicure. And the neat way you trim the bit of meat and fat from the rib end of a lamb chop.
posted by steelergirl at 10:16 AM on July 02, 2008
And French Fucking. Don't leave that out. Or the French Fits.
posted by yerfatma at 10:37 AM on July 02, 2008
Yeah, and Frenchie from Grea... Sorry.
posted by JJ at 02:31 PM on July 02, 2008
Yeah, and Frenchie from Grea... And that leads to the French inhale.
posted by BoKnows at 03:16 PM on July 02, 2008
Throw out your hands!! Stick out your tush!! Hands on your hips Give them a push!! You'll be surprised You're doing the French Mistake!! VOILA!!
posted by The_Black_Hand at 01:58 PM on July 03, 2008
Dissapointing, but not surprising. When you start with a "presumption that it (LNDD) conducted sample analysis in accordance with international laboratory standards", its easy to see that CAS never had any intention of considering the Landis arguments based on procedural errors by the lab. With that argument gone, he really didn't have a leg to stand on. I find the imposition of a $100,000 fine strange. Doesn't the athlete have a legal right to pursue an appeal? Why penalize him further when he loses? Was this intended to support potential lawsuit by WADA to recover their legal fees? Now that this has reached its conclusion, I wonder what's in future for Landis. His competitive career is over - I don't think any team would touch him, even after Jan 2009. Could he end up in a coaching role? After all, other highly respected teams have sports directors who have admitted doping in past (CSC with Riis). My guess - I wouldn't be suprised to see Landis linked to Rock Racing in some role in the not too distant future.