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May 22, 2007
Hidden: Clinton Portis thinks y'all should just fight with your own dogs and leave Michael Vick's business alone.: Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you stop talking for a while.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey to football at 10:03 AM - 38 comments
This was posted, I believe, a few days ago. I made a comment on the thread, checked back a while later, and the entire thing was gone. Evidentally the SpoFi Powers That Be thought it wasn't post-worthy. I liked the original post, though, because it proves to me how truly gone and out-of-touch some of these athletes are. Roger Goodell has his hands full, to say the least.
posted by dyams at 10:10 AM on May 22, 2007
People who kill and torture animals should be treated the same way.
posted by yay-yo at 10:16 AM on May 22, 2007
People who kill and torture animals should be treated the same way. Does that mean you don't want me hunting deer or turkey?
posted by TelamarketersBeware at 10:26 AM on May 22, 2007
Oh - didn't know this was attempted previously. Do with it what you will. But it's still damn funny.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 10:27 AM on May 22, 2007
posted this, not in the interest of inspiring some obvious discussion about how dog fighting is bad People who kill and torture animals should be treated the same way. Oh well, that didn't take long.
posted by jerseygirl at 10:34 AM on May 22, 2007
Stories like this worry me...and piss me off too. I admit that I am not an animal lover, but at the same time if someone was like, "hey lets go see a dog fight," I would definitely pass. I also wouldnt say that people who kill and toture animals should be treated the same way, because then I would lose all credibility in a discussion. Heres what really pisses me off, IE: PETA for one and this congressman from California who surely has better things to do than use this as an oppurtunity to get his name on this story. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? PETA sent a letter to the Falcons owner saying they should fire Vick and this Congressman Tom Lantos, has been head-hunting athletes since he was a senior member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Which two years ago held the highly publicized hearings on the use of performance-enhancing drugs in professional sports. I think I understand why Portis is saying what hes saying, hes trying to defend Vick which the media has done a good job of making him look bad, since the secret compartment that smelled of marijuana affair, and the flipping off of a fan who got the best of him. Now, does that makes Portis argument any better? In my opinion, No. Cuz he defended dog fighting a little too much, saying anyone can be doing it. If it was him saying, why are you making a big deal about marijauana or flipping the bird, I would understand, but dog fighting is harder for normal people to accept as well...normal behavior
posted by dezznutz at 10:42 AM on May 22, 2007
I understand where Portis is coming from. I don't like dogfighting. It is nasty and gross. However, I did grow up in an area where it was relatively common. As such, it doesn't seem all that foreign to me. I think Portis's statements come from the fact that it probably doesn't seem like that big of a deal because it happens all the time. That isn't really the same as saying that it is a good thing or he is supportive of it, just that it is relatively commonplace and worst shit goes on all the time. Furthermore, Portis is from Mississippi, and property rights are a big deal down in the south in a way that folks up north can never really understand. Sure Portis and Vick aren't doing so hot, but I have to go with the University of Miami on that one. Only Miami has this impact on people and I don't understand it. What do Portis's statements have to do with Miami? When TO is acting foolish, I never hear people say that it reflects badly on Tennessee-Chattanooga.
posted by bperk at 11:03 AM on May 22, 2007
hmmm good insight bperk. Im from Indy where this is anything but commonplace. I did get the idea from his interview that its normal where hes from, the uproar is of course becuz dog fighting isnt normal or acceptable to most of us.
posted by dezznutz at 11:13 AM on May 22, 2007
Portis should mind his own house and keep his big loud mouth shut. Worry about his own business. After the jersey number incident of his and some of his own behavior, he should concentrate on doing his talking on the playing field not the printed field..Whatever Vick did or didn't do is something that Michael Vick will have to defend not Portis. Dog fighting is something that isn't within the guidelines of the NFL rules and regulations and whether it is legal or illegal is for the law enforcement agencies to decide and enforce. Everyone wants to point fingers here, OK then lets look at the facts and only the facts as we know them from the press and television news. Fact one: What was happening at this home-Dog Fighting was taking place no ands if or buts..Fact two: Micheal Vick owns this house Two strikes here but the real question is did Vick knows what was happening at the home. Your guess is as good as mind. Don't know don't really care it isn't happening within the NFL so let the powers that are enforcing this issue deal with it. Make it simple and it is simple. NFL or Vick don't need for all these issues to be constantly bought up, Michael needs to deal with it not Mr. Portis or the press.
posted by The Old Man at 11:15 AM on May 22, 2007
OK, innocent until proven guilty. I agree with that. Vick said he had been to the house a few times. There were 60 dogs there. Did it not occur to him that 60 dogs could seem unusual? Maybe he just didn't notice them. OK, still innocent. Vick is paying for his cousins house. His cousin can somehow afford 60 dogs and the food to feed them. When he constructed enough kennels to house 60 dogs, how did he pay for that? Maybe Vick didn't notice any of this either. OK still innocent. Vick is an AKC registered breeder. I wonder what types of dogs he has bred? Poodles, Spaniels, Labradors and Papillons? OK, still innocent and waiting for some proof. Then I can LEGALLY form an opinion. Until then I guess I'll just state my ILLEGAL opinion about Vick being guilty of stupidity and illegal dog fighting. Before anyone jumps on me, just remember I am innocent of have this opinion until a court of law proves me guilty.
posted by Familyman at 11:19 AM on May 22, 2007
Does that mean you don't want me hunting deer or turkey? Hunting is OK with me if you eat what you kill. If you just hunt to kill, then you are a sick individual. But that's just my opinion. I feel the same way about fishing. Either catch and eat or don't catch at all.
posted by yay-yo at 11:33 AM on May 22, 2007
Portis says he can take us down some "back-roads" in Laurel,MS that would blow our minds. Me thinks the authorities should take him up on this offer. If he is dumb enough to admit to knowledge of felonious activity, a warrant is in order. Hey Bricktop, it ain't 'jus some dogs' fighting. It is a universally acknowledged, deviant, evil, and disgusting exercise of our dominion over a lesser species. Participants are criminals, and recognized by civil society as defective sociopaths. I don't give two shits what kind of back-woods, dirt-floor, perverted "culture" you come from, dog fighting is morally indefensible. p.s. Clinton Portis hasn't made one significant play since endorsing Daniel's check. His will to play ended the day - the very second - he got paid. He is a heartless piece of shite. He "got his" so why should he care about anything?
posted by r8rh8r27 at 11:34 AM on May 22, 2007
To be honest, I thought Portis was joking when he made the comments. His teammate Chris Samuels was standing right beside him when he made the comments, and the demeanor of both men seemed to be more joking than serious. Even if Portis thinks dogfighting is cool, I think he's got more sense than to come right out and say it. I know Miami gets a bad rap, but I don't think Clinton Portis is an example of that institution's failings as it pertains to the athletes they turn out. Now, if Kellen Winslow Jr. had said it, I'd probably believe he was serious. Portis, though? I just don't get that impression of him.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 11:40 AM on May 22, 2007
I'm sure Vick is using Rap music to stir the dogs into fits of rage,...I know that does it for me
posted by MGDADDYO at 11:46 AM on May 22, 2007
Where I'm from, I've seen drug deals, people stealing cars in broad daylight and people that got killed right in front of their families. Does that mean that I'm ok with it because it's 'relatively common?' Hell no!! I can also see where Clinton Portis is coming from but the first thing out of his mouth should have been, "I don't condone dog fighting at the very least but I know that it happens where I'm from all of the time." It's just a shame that people can still think that just because athletes are on the tellie playing their respective sport, that automatically makes them role models when in fact we have no idea what they're truly about outside of the playing fields. Suddenly, everyone is in shock that these human beings can still get caught up in some ridiculous situation when we can all make some silly mistake (maybe not this silly). If Vick is involved, then he's just an idiot.
posted by BornIcon at 11:51 AM on May 22, 2007
Dog fighting is legal in 8 of the 50 states. It is only a class 3 misdemenor in Vick's home state. Dont hate the player. Hate the Law.
posted by azdano at 11:56 AM on May 22, 2007
Where I'm from, I've seen drug deals, people stealing cars in broad daylight and people that got killed right in front of their families. Does that mean that I'm ok with it because it's 'relatively common?' Hell no!! Well said, BI.
posted by cjets at 12:04 PM on May 22, 2007
Dont hate the player. Hate the Law. Rubbish Dog fighting is a felony in 48 states, and a misdemeanor in Idaho and Wyoming. In Georgia possession of a dog for fighting is legal as is being a spectator at a dog fight, but not the fighting itself. Otherwise why would there be an investigation? Anywho, necrophilia is legal in Wisconsin, does that make it O.K.?
posted by r8rh8r27 at 12:15 PM on May 22, 2007
r8rh8r27, was that a movie referance to snatch? For those who saw the interview, the expression on Portis's teammate was priceless. He had a look like o my god did he just say that. Then i think he tried to play it off as a joke Think what you want about dogfighting(i think it is wrong) BUt i think Portis has to just be stupid. How can he say that without thinking there would be reprocussions. Joking or not, he had to know this would get blown up like this. Get him a number behind Vick, Henry, and Pacman to go talk to Roger "the hammer" Goodell
posted by Debo270 at 12:17 PM on May 22, 2007
Hell ya, Debo. Nice catch ;)
posted by r8rh8r27 at 12:24 PM on May 22, 2007
I don't think that Portis' words were as bad as the actions made by Henry or Pacman, that was just an idiotic statement to make even if he was being honest. IMO, right now we have to consider Mike Vick innocent (whether we agree or not) until some sort of facts are brought up in this investigation and charges are pressed against Vick.
posted by BornIcon at 12:29 PM on May 22, 2007
I agree he should be looked at as innocent until proven otherwise but it was his house. Possession is 9/10ths of the law right. I think if he owned the house and this was going on there, if he knew or not doesn't matter. IF HE DIDN"T KNOW HE SHOULD HAVE
posted by Debo270 at 12:40 PM on May 22, 2007
I understand where Portis is coming from. I don't like dogfighting. It is nasty and gross. However, I did grow up in an area where it was relatively common. As such, it doesn't seem all that foreign to me. I think Portis's statements come from the fact that it probably doesn't seem like that big of a deal because it happens all the time. That isn't really the same as saying that it is a good thing or he is supportive of it, just that it is relatively commonplace and worst shit goes on all the time. Furthermore, Portis is from Mississippi, and property rights are a big deal down in the south in a way that folks up north can never really understand. Hmm... property rights, dog fighting, Mississippi, common place....I suppose there is a different Southern mentality (now there's an Oxy Moron for you). Is that the same mentality that kept slavery alive for so long? I think it only demonstrates the amount of brain power Clinton Portis and Michael Vick have. As long as they are defending deep south traditions like dog fighting, maybe they should defend some of the other great traditions of the South. After all, the days when everybody had a slave or two, and some good fightin dogs where not that long ago. Heck if everybody is doing it, it must be OK.
posted by Atheist at 12:44 PM on May 22, 2007
we already know about the legal aspect of this case(illegal) it isn't OK and Vick had had to be aware of what was happening on his property or didn't care. Take your pick here. Dogs used for fighting are extremely unstable and prone to attack anyone at any given time...a time bomb that can go off without any warning. That many dogs means only one thing bottom line dog fighting in a community area that is illegal and very dangerous for anyone living around it. Of Course, Portis didn't really think about what he was saying or if he did then he really showed a lack ofl understanding of what the hell was going on at the home. If Portis is stupid as debo said then that makes Vick even more so because he has put his home and community at risk for a very serious and dangerous accident to happen if the dogs decided to go crazy. I remember seeing dogs fights in the early thirties during the depression and then they were extremely out of control. You get two big dogs going at each other and you never know what will happen. The moral problem is something I don't want to get into. The whole issue of Portis's statement is moot here. It doesn't seem like either of these two individual are looking at the big picture of what it looks like to everyone on the outside. All the fans, kids, adults up look to these guys and what they see here makes me personally sick to my stomach. Only a complete fool would believe that Vick didn't know what was going on and whether or not Portis was joking isn't even part of this situation. Good for you Debo270 right on and maybe the community should be up in arms about this whole deal. High priced athletics have a responsibility to the community as role models and to keep there names and the teams names in good standing..
posted by The Old Man at 12:53 PM on May 22, 2007
Southern mentality bull shit What is stupid is stupid plain and simple and don't try to sugar coat it...or cover it up Time for the boys to grow up and do somethiing that helps themselves and their families and communityl.
posted by The Old Man at 12:55 PM on May 22, 2007
dog fighting is not the most moral hobbie in the world but some of you people should really check your selves at the door. First of all the man hasn't been convicted of anything but you all seem to think that he's the worst man in the world. I bet that more than 50 percent or you went hunting this fall, killing animals that have no way to defend themselves, would hunting be fun if the deer had a gun too. if Portis doesn't defend Vick then who would. I guess your commissioner Goddell will give both of these guys the year off like Pacman got for only being associated with ignorant people like some of you sound, convicting both of these men without any facts. I also know of people fighting dogs right now but that doesn't make me guilty now does it.
posted by devan2hot at 01:00 PM on May 22, 2007
Maybe it's time to stop talking about the damn dogs already.
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posted by jerseygirl at 01:03 PM on May 22, 2007
Wow. I thought this was basically at the end of it all, just funny. I'm not convinced he was actually being too serious, or that we should take him seriously even if he was being serious. It's asinine. As for the UofM comment I made - I feel okay making the reference. I have some ammunition there.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 01:07 PM on May 22, 2007
why would a millionaire waist his time at a dog fight. for all you people unfamiliar with dog fighting it's for poor people. kinda like latinos and cock fighting people just trying to make a quick buck I don't think that Vick needs any quick money. I think the cousin is the culprit from the beginning and when the facts do come out that's what you'll see.
posted by devan2hot at 01:19 PM on May 22, 2007
My father takes his white German Shepherd with him when he visits his inner-city Milwaukee apartment buildings. The dog stays in the van and guards his tools. Nobody on the outside knows that this dog would lick them to death before he'd ever bite them; none of that matters because all the kids in the neighborhood think he's a wolf. And I can't tell you how many of them go up to my dad and ask "Wow, do you fight him?" It's a sick culture, in my opinion, that enables children to grow up thinking dogs are only good for fighting and killing each other. BornIcon hits it right on the nose: Just because it's commonplace doesn't make it right. And that's Milwaukee, people. That isn't quite as "Deep South" as you would like to believe, Atheist. That said, Portis didn't sound like he was taking any of this Vick business very seriously. And if he grew up in that culture, as it sounds like, then he has the same perspective as those kids, or at least identifies closely with it, which explains his comments perfectly. If Vick or his relatives are using the property to breed dogs for fighting, then that's for the law to suss out. I don't quite see why Portis yapping about this issue is news in the least.
posted by evixir at 01:20 PM on May 22, 2007
Devan2hot, Are you serious. Vick is as dumb as the day is long. As a property owner, you are responsible for your property. If he didn't want the responsibility, he should have had the house in his cousin's name(Stupid action). I would think that if someone was running drugs out of your house(reason the police came in the first place) having dog fights(what was found when they came), running a japanese massage parlor(to be released next week) you better know. Vick said he didn't know because he is not there "OFTEN". I think if i was there once, i would notice 60 PITBULLS. In the last few months: -water bottle with secret drug, I mean jewelry compartment in the airport........(STUPID) -flipping off the fans.........(Stupid) -Giving your drug dealing dog fighting cousin a home in your name...(stupid) -claiming you had no idea this was happening---(Priceless) Dont need to know him to judge his level of smarts..
posted by Debo270 at 01:28 PM on May 22, 2007
That's probably why you guys are so upset b/c the man lives to fight another day. for all you people unfamiliar with dog fighting it's for poor people. kinda like latinos and cock fighting people just trying to make a quick buck Dude. Just stop. I'm seriously.
posted by jerseygirl at 01:42 PM on May 22, 2007
Where is bishop when you need him??
posted by Debo270 at 01:50 PM on May 22, 2007
Uh yeah, Bishop would really defuse the situation. Good call.
posted by jerseygirl at 01:53 PM on May 22, 2007
He has that calming effect
posted by Debo270 at 01:54 PM on May 22, 2007
I posted this, not in the interest of inspiring some obvious discussion about how dog fighting is bad, m'kay; or that Michael Vick is a bad man. I posted because it's too goddamned ridiculous not to. Awesome. You know who really ends up looking bad? Sure Portis and Vick aren't doing so hot, but I have to go with the University of Miami on that one. I like Clinton Portis and his many costumes and weirdo characters, but I'm not so sure I want to sit next to him on an airplane or anything.