September 14, 2006

Oilers prospect, Robbie Schremp, is a hotdog.: (embedded Windows Media video) On the ice and on the golf course. I wonder if we'll ever see a lacrosse move in the NHL. And more importantly, how long will that player's head remain on his shoulders after pulling off such a move?

posted by NoMich to hockey at 12:38 PM - 18 comments

I remember a guy in college doing something similar back in the early ninties... Am I imagining things? Wouldn't this play also be a possible 'high-sticking' call if the stick goes above the crossbar? Not sure how I feel about it overall to tell you the truth... Maybe this is a start of a new way to play the game... Remember, a 'slap-shot' was not originally a part of the game, and neither was a face mask....

posted by myshtigo at 01:39 PM on September 14, 2006

The guy is good, but I don't think the lacrosse type moves belong in hockey. Isn't it high-sticking at some point if he has his stick in contact with the puck above shoulder level? I'm going to guess there's eventually going to be some sort of refinment of the rules to eliminate it (before, like you said, someone eliminates the hot dog).

posted by hb74147 at 01:49 PM on September 14, 2006

myshtigo (way to beat me to the punch on the high sticking): I think is was only a year or two ago that the behind the net and in the top corner move that they showed in the clip was all over the sports show highlights. I think it was an OT winner in a playoff game or something too.

posted by hb74147 at 01:53 PM on September 14, 2006

Am I imagining things? I believe the opening clip in the link is the kid you're thinking of. I don't see any problem with it at all, if someone could actually pull it off. It takes amazing stick skills just to pick the puck up standing still, let alone going that fast and then to cradle it, spin and fling it. Wow. But like he said in the interview, there's not enough space in a real game. It would be awesome to see someone pull this off in a shootout, but if they didn't get the shot off they get skinned. Hotdogging? Of course, but still awesome. This one would probably be a high stick. It's a highstick and immediately blown dead if the stick hits the puck above the shoulders on a regular play. If it's on net, the stick can't touch the puck above the crossbar. But if he kept it below his shoulders and brought it back down below the crossbar before he released it, it should be legal. That's assuming highstick rules apply to shootouts, they may not because no one ever thought to apply them. But regardless of rules, that move was amazing.

posted by SummersEve at 02:09 PM on September 14, 2006

I can see that happening on a penalty shot or during a shootout. You can bet the refs are brushing up on the rules for that kind of stuff because you know someone is going to try it.

posted by dbt302 at 02:11 PM on September 14, 2006

The first tww shown are the kid who did it in US College Hockey, the second one is Sidney Crosby (if I recall correctly) when he played for Rimouski. Schremp is pretty impressive with that move, but every one of those exhibition shootouts are high sticks. Puck cannot be in contact with the stick above the height of the crossbar. Pretty simple rule. Pretty awesome display, though.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 02:36 PM on September 14, 2006

I believe the play myshtigo is referring to was Mike Legg of Michigan doing it against Minnesota in the quarterfinals of the NCAA tournament...I think it was 1996. It wasn't in overtime, but it was in the 3rd period and was the eventual game-winner. Being a Gopher fan (and U of MN student at the time), I screamed, "Puck played with a high stick!" and contend that it was to this day, but the goal stood and one of the better Gopher teams in the Doug Woog era fell. *sigh* At least the Gophers got two titles in the last few years so that play doesn't hurt much anymore.

posted by TheQatarian at 03:01 PM on September 14, 2006

I watched the report on TSN this morning, and Schremp flat-out said he'd never try it in a game, as MacTavish would have him out of the NHL in two seconds. I don't know about it being illegal, though -- former Barrie Colt Rob Hiisey did this in a Finnish Elite League game last season without bringing the puck above his shoulders. Video here via YouTube, and if you look to the left, you can watch him do another version during the Colts' skills competition last season. Side note -- are we suppose to just embed the YouTube player here? Is that a huge problem?

posted by wfrazerjr at 03:05 PM on September 14, 2006

Hot-dogging like that is RARE during a game. You might see some trickery during a shootout, but even then it's a bit dicey because it might cost your team a point (hence Malik's absolutely stunning shootout goal last year). Phil Bourque once attempted to score a goal on a breakaway by turning his stick over and using the point of the blade like a ringette stick. He shifted the puck back and forth and tried to jam it in the net past the (Red Wing?) goalie. It didn't work, and then he got body checked after the whistle by a disgruntled (Red Wing?) player. As for the Legg/Crosby goals (yes, 1996 for Legg), the rule is that the puck cannot be touched above the crossbar. However, part of the stick can be above the crossbar as long as the contact point is below. As the nature of the play requires the puck to be lifted/shovelled into the net below the crossbar, it is a legal goal according to those rules. The handle of the stick may be above the crossbar, but there isn't any way the puck could have been above the crossbar.

posted by grum@work at 04:12 PM on September 14, 2006

It may be uncalled for in a real game, but I think that's a great thing to do at a charity tournament. The fans must have loved it. I only wish he had scored.

posted by Samsonov14 at 08:32 PM on September 14, 2006

Did you watch enough of the video to see his other shot in the charity shootout? I actually thought that the second one was more impressive and he actually scored on that one.

posted by NoMich at 10:22 PM on September 14, 2006

yes no doubt about it if it went in it would be an awsome goal. BUT if you watch the stick it is above the crossbar so no goal.Now on the other hand the guy with the big M on his jersey if you watch that one close the stick is below the crossbar so game on good job mr. legg hope to see you in the big league.and if you dont like it the way i see it you can bite me.

posted by score11 at 10:25 PM on September 14, 2006

and if you dont like it the way i see it you can bite me. You waited two months to post something, and this is what you do?

posted by grum@work at 11:21 PM on September 14, 2006

The handle of the stick may be above the crossbar, but there isn't any way the puck could have been above the crossbar. At the point of entry into the net yes, true - but you can't bring the puck on the blade of your stick above the crossbar during the appraoch either. That's a high stick. Schremp does this. Crosby and Legg do not. I always thought they had the right idea - this is a wrap-around move at best. It's totally legal.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 07:52 AM on September 15, 2006

I was impressed by the 250 yd. drive.

posted by garfield at 07:55 AM on September 15, 2006

They're all biting the style of a true original, Dean Youngblood.

posted by yerfatma at 08:19 AM on September 15, 2006

That's a high stick. Schremp does this. Crosby and Legg do not. Well, of course. I was only referring to the original "lacrosse" style goals of Legg/Crosby. Schremp's little trick was definitely against the rules.

posted by grum@work at 09:01 AM on September 15, 2006

How about this move?

posted by mjkredliner at 07:09 PM on September 18, 2006

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