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June 28, 2006
Herb Brooks makes hockey hall of fame.: Nice to see. Only wish he was around to enjoy it. Patrick Roy also makes hall.
posted by graymatters to hockey at 06:58 PM - 21 comments
Amen Ying Yang. I absolutely loved watching him, except when he played the Wings. On those nights I always prayed he'd get some nice little injury. Nothing career ending you understand. Just enough to put him out of action for a game or two. Congrats Patrick, but I'm glad you're retired!
posted by commander cody at 09:25 PM on June 28, 2006
In the 1996 Western Conference semi-finals between the Colorado Avalanche and the Chicago Blackhawks Jeremy Roenick said, "I'd like to know where Patrick was in Game 3 (a game in which Roenick had scored on Patrick), probably up trying to get his jock out of the rafters," Roy retorted with his now-famous line, "I can't hear what Jeremy says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears." <--from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Roy <--one of my favorite quotes/retorts. Even as a 'Nucks fan i can't/won't hate on Patrick Roy--he's the best goalie I've ever seen play. And of course Herb Brooks for the unforgettable Miracle on Ice in 1980. "Do you believe in miracles?" Congratulations to Roy, Brooks, Duff, and Hotchkiss for making the HHOF-all well-deserved.
posted by curtangle at 10:48 PM on June 28, 2006
Roy is one guy I love to hate. One of the best ever, but I loved when the Wings pummeled him (occasionally). Congrats, Patty.
posted by wingnut4life at 06:50 AM on June 29, 2006
Glad to see Pat in the Hall. Hated him since I am a Sabres fan, but you had to totally respect his play. (kind of how I hated Marino when he was playing, but respect his ability). Now my Patrick Roy rookie card will be worth some more money :)
posted by Stealth_72 at 07:43 AM on June 29, 2006
I think we're all lucky to have been able to watch him play. He was unbelievably competitive and basically re-invented the position. Also he is directly responsible for the seemingly hundreds of great Quebec goalies that populate the NHL. Hard to argue with him being considered the greatest.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:00 AM on June 29, 2006
For an entire generation of fans, Patrick Roy is the best goalie they've ever seen. Eventually (like it or not) Martin Brodeur will break most of his records, but until then, St. Patrick belongs in the discussion of the best goalies to ever play, beside players like (off the top of my head) Dryden, Tretiak, Sawchuck, Glenn Hall and Jacques Plante. Did I like him as a person? No. Did I ever cheer for the team he was on? Not that I remember. But he did change the way his position was played, and you can't argue with his results. And of course, props also to Herb Brooks. His place in the history and the folklore of the game was set before this, but he goes in for what he did to raise the profile of the game in the USA. (On the other hand, even as a Leaf fan, I have to admit, I saw Dick Duff's name, and thought: really? I guess he amassed some decent stats and all, but I never thought of him as Hall-worthy.)
posted by chicobangs at 09:05 AM on June 29, 2006
Why does everyone (love to) hate Patrick Roy? I know absolutely nothing about hockey, but I've always felt sort of pro-Roy on principle just because Hunter Thompson seemed to like him a lot. Maybe Thompson's not the best guy for me to crib opinions from...
posted by cobra! at 09:11 AM on June 29, 2006
"Why does everyone (love to) hate Patrick Roy? I know absolutely nothing about hockey, but I've always felt sort of pro-Roy on principle just because Hunter Thompson seemed to like him a lot." Because, when your team played against him, you knew he could completely take over the game. The sure goal, the 40 shots for your team, 20 for them and you still get shutout. He was dominate, like Brodeur and Hasek can/could be. You love him if you were a Canadians or Avalanche fan, you hate him as a team in the same division. I loved watching him play, he was a school in himself, hated seeing my team play against him.
posted by Stealth_72 at 09:22 AM on June 29, 2006
Bordeur might end up with more wins - but Roy has three Conn Smythes and the legends of 1986 and 1993. 1986 he did his Ken Dryden impression and as a rookie basically single-handedly won the Cup. In 1993 the Canadiens won 11 consecutive overtime games in the playoffs. Roy just simply would not allow an overtime winner to get by him. It was fucking unreal.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 09:26 AM on June 29, 2006
Why does everyone (love to) hate Patrick Roy? I always loved Roy. I love the cocky attitude and that competative edge that he had. This cat loved winning and despised losing like no other hockey player of his generation. 1993 was when I really started watching hockey and to see him basically will his team to win the cup was pretty amazing. The only thing I dislike about Roy is his name. My real name is Leroy but as a kid everyone called me Roy so of course when my friends and I start getting into hockey my named changed to Roy (pronounced Wah, of course) or Lewah to some of my more creative friends. I also hate Jim Croce for a similar reason.
posted by HATER 187 at 09:36 AM on June 29, 2006
Cause he's bad, bad Lewah Brown?
posted by MrFrisby at 10:07 AM on June 29, 2006
As nice as it is to see Roy get into the HOF, it's more interesting to discuss those that got shut out of the HOF: Doug Gilmour Pavel Bure Glen Anderson Dino Ciccarelli I'm thinking that Gilmour will eventually get in because of his time in Toronto (think of it as a Yankee bias, but for hockey). Bure will probably make it in because he's the exact kind of player that deserves to be in the hall of fame: a superstar whose career was cut short and may be forgotten otherwise. His style of game should be celebrated by future generations. Anderson and Ciccarelli are in the same boat. Lots of goals, but never considered the premiere goal scorer. A few Stanley Cup rings, but never really dominant in the playoffs. As well, the overall career numbers are large, but that may be due to hanging around a couple of years too long. The hall has a habit of letting guys like this in (see: Mike Gartner), so I expect them to get in eventually.
posted by grum@work at 10:34 AM on June 29, 2006
If Cam Neely got in Pavel Bure should get in. They both would have been 500+ goal scorers had thier careers not been cut short. I think Dino(608-592-1200 in 1232 games) gets in over Glen Anderson (498-601-1099 in 1129 games) Besides the numbers there is also the Gretzky factor. As far as Gilmour, I don't know if Leafs bias is enough to get him in. His numbers are so-so (450-949-1414 in 1474 games) and no cups. Then again it is the hockey hall of fame and everyone gets in.
posted by HATER 187 at 11:04 AM on June 29, 2006
Why does everyone (love to) hate Patrick Roy? Because when he was on his game he was a glorious sight to behold, which is good when he's playing against anyone but your favorite team. At one time my Redwings could put 5 future hall of famers on the ice against him at the same time, but if Roy was in the zone it was like trying to score through a brickwall.
posted by commander cody at 05:33 PM on June 29, 2006
As far as Gilmour, I don't know if Leafs bias is enough to get him in. His numbers are so-so (450-949-1414 in 1474 games) and no cups. The 1988-89 Calgary Flames would like to have a word with you. As well, it should be pointed out that part of the "Leaf bias" is that his arrival to the franchise helped turn them from a 67 point team to a 99 point team, and that he has damn good numbers in the playoffs (188pts in 182 games), including 35 points in 21 games in 1993 (the most by a player not reaching the finals who isn't named Wayne Gretzky). He definitely gets more press adulation than most players of his caliber, which is an interesting turn of events considering the terrible press he had early in his career because of an "incident" in St. Louis.
posted by grum@work at 09:59 PM on June 29, 2006
Bure will probably make it in because he's the exact kind of player that deserves to be in the hall of fame: a superstar whose career was cut short and may be forgotten otherwise. His style of game should be celebrated by future generations. If Cam Neely got in Pavel Bure should get in. They both would have been 500+ goal scorers had thier careers not been cut short. Pavel Bure: 1992 Calder Memorial Trophy (rookie of the year) 2 Maurice "Rocket" Richard trophies (2000 & 2001; 58 and 59 goals) 6 All-Star Game appearances (1993, 1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, and 2001) NHL goals leader in 1994 (60) 702 regular-season games: 437 goals and 342 assists 64 playoff games: 35 goals and 35 assists Damn he was a fun player to watch in his prime--without the games lost to injury (plus he played 3+ seasons for CSKA Moscow) he probably would've potted up to 600 goals and perhaps would've had 500 assists as well. He'll make the Hall--and I'm sure Gilmour, Anderson, and Ciccarelli will as well.
posted by curtangle at 10:08 PM on June 29, 2006
The 1988-89 Calgary Flames would like to have a word with you. Well shit the bed, I was wrong. I cheerfully withdraw my erroneous statements.
posted by HATER 187 at 08:19 AM on June 30, 2006
By current Hall standards - all those players mentioned should eventually get in. Glen Anderson has gone from way overrated during his career, to way underrated since. He is fourth all-time in playoff scoring. He's in ahead of Ciccarelli, that's for sure. Gilmour's a lock. 1400 + points is nothing to sneeze at. Bure's equally a lock. Ciccarelli has that longevity stink about him. His final numbers look great, but his individual seasons aren't spectacular by comparison to the greats of his era.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:28 AM on June 30, 2006
Is Gilmour's rep still feeling the effects of banging a babysitter? For that matter, is he still feeling the effects?
posted by yerfatma at 08:48 AM on June 30, 2006
Is Gilmour's rep still feeling the effects of banging a babysitter? Not in the least. During all the hubbub during his Leaf run, and with his retirement, not a single article mentioned the "incident" (as I refer to it). It's another classic example of where the media can decide to hang an athlete or let him go. Wanna bet that Luis Polonia doesn't get the same treatment?
posted by grum@work at 12:24 PM on June 30, 2006
Roy was an amazing player but I cannot express how happy I was when he retired.