February 01, 2006

Mike Tyson not suitable for NHL hockey: The Ottawa Senators, backstopped by Ray Emery, lose 5-0 to the Bruins on Monday night. Emery was wearing his Mike Tyson mask in the losing effort. Tuesday it is announced that he will no longer don this mask after a discussion about right and wrong with GM John Muckler.

posted by Spitztengle to hockey at 03:41 AM - 50 comments

This guy gets his ass handed to him and all the GM wants to talk about is what he was wearing? Tuesday it is announced that he will no longer don this mask after a discussion about right and wrong with GM John Muckler. This guy needs to keep his personal opinion to himself. Right and wrong? Man I can't stand hypocritical bullshit. I wish there was a way to get this guy's criminal background checked and then posted on the internet. This goalie isn't 16 years old and considering going on a date with Mike Tyson. Its a picture. You can't even tell who it is unless you're right on top of the guy. The only discussion that asshole John Muckler should be having with his goaltender is, puck out of net right, puck in net wrong.

posted by BlogZilla at 04:47 AM on February 01, 2006

I watched that game and I still don't understand what happened. The first time the Bruins played the Senators this year, it looked like they got hit by a truck. Now a 5-0 whitewash. I suppose they're just teasing us.

posted by yerfatma at 06:15 AM on February 01, 2006

That's pretty surprising. Good for John Muckler. Who would have thought a pro-sports old-boy would give a lecture about how it's bad to show support for rapists?

posted by fabulon7 at 07:21 AM on February 01, 2006

This guy needs to keep his personal opinion to himself. I think if Muckler heeded this advice, he would be doing a grave disservice to his employer. Sure, the GM should be worrying about those five goals, but he also has a responsibility to worry about the image conveyed by the members of his team. That Muckler didn't demand that the helmet be retired -- which he certainly had every right to do -- speaks well of his management style. I fail to see the hypocricy here, unless Muckler has a history of violent crime I'm not aware of.

posted by BullpenPro at 07:37 AM on February 01, 2006

When has John Muckler ever kept his opinion to himself or not inserted himself into the story?

posted by yerfatma at 08:05 AM on February 01, 2006

I don't think it made any sense to make a big deal out of it. I bet if he had a picture of Mike Tyson and Piston Honda from Nintendo Punch Out no one would say anything negative.

posted by Eddie66 at 08:25 AM on February 01, 2006

My favorite goalie mask was the diamond plate of Roman Cechmanek of the Flyers. Maybe he could change the Tyson image to Mr. T ? "I pity the fool who comes in my crease!"

posted by njsk8r20 at 08:50 AM on February 01, 2006

I vote for repainting the helmet with a picture of McGrattan taking out Domi.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:02 AM on February 01, 2006

Just because the media reported it doesn't mean it was made into a big deal by the team. Muckler's background and the way he's handled things in the past shouldn't come into play with this issue. It sounds as if he made the correct decision, and handled it in a proper manner. He could have come across like a hard-ass, but instead allowed the individual involved to arrive at his own conclusion. The goalie's mask, remember, is still part of the uniform, even though individual netminders take a lot of artistic freedom regarding how they look. The team, and the league, has the right to step in and decipher whether or not a uniform in conforming, and if it represents the team, in general, correctly.

posted by dyams at 09:17 AM on February 01, 2006

Why Tyson? Why not Ali? Or Fraizer? Or Louis? That's just bad decision making on Emery's part. I vote for repainting the helmet with a picture of McGrattan taking out Domi. Or a picture of a serene golf course. Since, you know, Ottawa's had a lot of recent experience of playing golf after the Leafs are done with them in the playoffs. /poke poke

posted by grum@work at 09:52 AM on February 01, 2006

It's still better than Lehtonen's mask, which I noticed yesterday. I'll take a Tyson fan over a Final Fantasy bonerfied fanboy anyday.

posted by mkn at 10:41 AM on February 01, 2006

grum: A huge boxing fan, Emery has also had masks that featured former middleweight champ Marvin Hagler, and Jack Johnson, the first black heavyweight champion. I guess he was getting there...

posted by fabulon7 at 11:39 AM on February 01, 2006

Tyson never had any class and was overrated as a fighter. Masks are indeed part of the uniform, and as such it is only correct that the team should be able to approve/disapprove what is displayed on them. Since njsk8r20 brought up the suject of favorite masks: mine was Gerry Cheevers, toward the end of the season, completely covered with stitches. Frightful!! I doubt if it would fly today, though.

posted by mjkredliner at 11:47 AM on February 01, 2006

It makes no difference what mask you were you suck you suck period.

posted by tomlwtn at 11:59 AM on February 01, 2006

There's no reason a "stitches" mask wouldn't work fine, as long as it was out of deference to Cheevers. It'd be a nice shoutout, actually. The way I see it, this story has very little to do with Mike Tyson. As long as the NHL gives the goalies some leeway in how they paint their masks (and I really like that they do), then stuff like this is going to happen. Frankly, if it was Emery who had shut out the Bruins wearing that mask, he'd wear it for the rest of the season, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Oh, and what yerfatma said. John Muckler has the soul of a high school principal. He seems to have a fetish for arbitrary and misguided punishment, and he'll stick his old-boy-network idiot miniMcCarthyite crony nose into anything. (and I will be the one to bring Ted Nolan's name into this thread as Exhibit B.)

posted by chicobangs at 12:02 PM on February 01, 2006

Tyson never had any class and was overrated as a fighter. Explain.

posted by yerfatma at 12:28 PM on February 01, 2006

the way i see it ,this story has everything to do with Tyson, since the article is about Tyson's image being inappropriate for display by a private enterprise called the Ottowa Senators. Yerfatma, what did Tyson ever do after Douglass whupped him (Like he needed to be, I might add) except disgrace himself and his sport?

posted by mjkredliner at 01:15 PM on February 01, 2006

From the "Way Off Target" department: If Ted Nolan was that great a coach, he would have made it back to the NHL by now, I don't care what Muckler thought about him. and: Mike Tyson was, in his day and when he was taking his career seriously, the most feared, dominating fighter there was. Many boxers don't last long before flaming out, and he was no exception.

posted by dyams at 01:38 PM on February 01, 2006

Tyson never had any class and was overrated as a fighter. The class part I have to agree with you on. Boxers aren't necessarily known for their refinements (with the exception of Lenox Lewis, or was that pure media driven?). But Tyson had the most powerful, compact punch I have ever seen. Sometimes it appeared his hook only traveled 6 inches to his target but the victim wouldn't wake up until the following week.

posted by willthrill72 at 02:16 PM on February 01, 2006

Who did he beat, in their prime, worth mentioning?

posted by mjkredliner at 02:22 PM on February 01, 2006

never mind, i concede that tyson was the best in a weak division for a short time.

posted by mjkredliner at 02:48 PM on February 01, 2006

He was only the second man to ever beat Larry Holmes (Michael Spinks was the first and that was the previous bout). He was also to the only man ever to beat Spinks and Spinks retired after the bout. Both fights were in '88. Granted, neither Holmes nor Spinks were spring chickens, but they were far from being washed up. On preview...never mind, too.

posted by willthrill72 at 02:59 PM on February 01, 2006

the league should have a rule concerning face masks. Size and colors of your team period.

posted by habs at 03:39 PM on February 01, 2006

the league should have a rule concerning face masks. Size and colors of your team period. Seriously, I think face masks the size of your team would kill the sport.

posted by BullpenPro at 04:23 PM on February 01, 2006

Colors of your team period? Solid red, homey.

posted by yerfatma at 06:11 PM on February 01, 2006

Really? Is Mike Tyson so offensive that a depiction of him can't be on a hockey mask? Jesus - he's all over TV. He's on Kimmel singing the monster mash. How is this that bad? Ah, whatever.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 09:20 PM on February 01, 2006

I could understand this if the mask said something like, Free Mike Tyson ( like the old t-shirts). I guess I'd be more concerned with the goalies play vs. what he was wearing. Who did he beat, in their prime, worth mentioning From May 87' to July 89' Tysons opponents combined records were 236-8. That alone is sick. Note below he met Biggs, an Olympic Gold medalist, when he was undefeated. Thomas had 1 loss, Tucker was undefeated, Spinks was undefeated, Tubbs had 1 loss, Bruno, Holmes and Williams had 2 losses each. Also note 8 title defenses in a 2 year period. That is unprecedented in boxing today. He was fighting everyone they threw at him. That is why some of the names are unknown. He was also the youngest heavyweight champion with the highest knockout ratio (50 wins 44Ko's) 22 Ko's coming in the 1st round. Its also worth mentioning that the odds for Buster Douglas were 48-1. It was thought Tyson threw the fight, standing to make almost half a billion dollars by betting on Douglas. Notable Tyson victories 1989-07-21 219 Carl Williams 218 22-2-0 Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ, USA W TKO 1 12 ~ Time: 1:33 | Referee: Randy Neumann | Judge: Richard F. Murry | Judge: Chuck Giampa | Judge: Rocky Castellani ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title ~ ~ IBF Heavyweight Title ~ 1989-02-25 218 Frank Bruno 228 32-2-0 Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 5 12 ~ Time: 2:55 | Referee: Richard Steele | Judge: Jerry Roth 40-35 | Judge: Omar Minton 40-34 | Judge: Rodolfo Maldonado 40-34 ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title ~ ~ IBF Heavyweight Title ~ Bruno penalized one point in the 1st for holding and he was also dropped in the 1st. 1988-06-27 218 Michael Spinks 212 31-0-0 Convention Hall, Atlantic City, NJ, USA W KO 1 12 ~ Time: 1:31 | Referee: Frank Cappuccino | Judge: Eva Shain | Judge: John Stewart | Judge: Rocky Castellani ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title ~ ~ IBF Heavyweight Title ~ 1988-03-21 216 Tony Tubbs 238 24-1-0 Tokyo Dome, Tokyo, Japan W TKO 2 12 ~ Time: 2:54 | Referee: Arthur Mercante | Judge: Larry Rozadilla 9-10 | Judge: Ken Morita 10-10 | Judge: Masakazu Uchida 10-9 ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title ~ ~ IBF Heavyweight Title ~ 1988-01-22 215 Larry Holmes 225 48-2-0 Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ, USA W TKO 4 12 ~ Time: 2:55 | Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Charley Spina 29-28 | Judge: Nicasio L. Drake 30-27 | Judge: Rudy Ortega 29-28 ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title ~ ~ IBF Heavyweight Title ~ 1987-10-16 216 Tyrell Biggs 228 15-0-0 Convention Hall, Atlantic City, NJ, USA W TKO 7 12 ~ Time: 2:59 | Referee: Tony Orlando | Judge: Al Wilensky 60-54 | Judge: John Stewart 60-54 | Judge: Frank Brunette 60-52 ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title ~ ~ IBF Heavyweight Title ~ 1987-08-01 221 Tony Tucker 221 35-0-0 Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 12 12 ~ Referee: Mills Lane | Judge: Julio Roldan 118-113 | Judge: Phil Newman 119-111 | Judge: Bill Graham 117-112 ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title ~ ~ IBF Heavyweight Title ~ 1987-05-30 218 Pinklon Thomas 217 29-1-1 Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 6 12 ~ Time: 2:00 | Referee: Carlos Padilla | Judge: Dalby Shirley 49-46 | Judge: Gordon Volkman 50-44 | Judge: Harry Gibbs 49-46 ~ ~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~ ~ WBA Heavyweight Title Stats at Boxrec.com

posted by BlogZilla at 09:54 PM on February 01, 2006

Blah we're debating Tyson. Let's talk about goalie masks! I always liked Patrick Lalime's Calimero mask with the Penguins. Brings back childhood memories for me. after the Leafs are done with them in the playoffs grum, I'm not even a Senators fan and I must tell you I'm starting to get a little bit tired of this. What exactly have the Leafs done in recent springs apart from beating the Senators?

posted by qbert72 at 10:53 PM on February 01, 2006

But Tyson had the most powerful, compact punch I have ever seen. That doesn't make him a great fighter though. I wouldn't say mike tyson was over rated as much as seriously flawed. His postives were so great and he came with such anger boxers didn't know what to do with him. However, he was a very flawed fighter. When a boxer did get beyond the first few rounds, when a boxer had tyson just a little confused, he folded. Tyson has never shown he could fight when challenged. I've heard interviews with tyson's old trainers that said as much. It was thought Tyson threw the fight Oh please. The first fight he loses so he must have thrown it? He got his ass handed to him. It was only a matter of time, and he was never the same since.

posted by justgary at 11:56 PM on February 01, 2006

Carl Williams after Tyson fight : 8-8 including several losses to bums. Frank Bruno huh? fought tsyon twice and Lennox Lewis once, lost all three. Look up who he was fighting prior to the 1st Tyson fight, a bigger bunch of nobody's can hardly be seen at a KKK meeting Michael Spinks lofty record was carved in the light heavyweight division, until he upset 35 year old Larry Holmes. Tony Tubbs fought no one decent except Bowe, Witherspoon and Tyson all losses Larry Holmes was 39 years old when he fought Tyson Tyrell Biggs record first 8 fights after tyson 8- 8 including losses to Bowe,Lewis,and Tubbs. Tony Tucker took on a bigger collection of stiffs than Linda Lovelace. Check out boxrec.com for details. Pinklon Thomas first five fights after the Tyson bout he was 1-4 including losses to Bowe, Holyfield, Tommy Morrison, and the indomitable Mike Hunter. He did manage to beat Curtis Isaac in between, who came in with an intimidating 12-7 record. You are right. The fact that their combined record was 236-8 is sick. Even sicker would be the combined records of the fighters who laid down for those 236 fights, with the exception of Holmes. who fought the requisite bums but fared pretty well against the contenders to his title. Interesting you should try to justify Tyson's loss to Douglas by inferring he may have thrown the fight. Entirely possible, knowing what kind of lowlife Tyson is. I suppose that money is all blown, too. Thank you for reinforcing my views about Tyson Being the Most Overrated Fighter of His Era, and perhaps in history. Boxrec.com rocks!

posted by mjkredliner at 12:05 AM on February 02, 2006

Tyson age 24= 1 of the best fighters of all time. My opinion. period. Where was lennox lewis in the late 80's early 90's? Answer, hiding from Mike. Damn theres alot of Tyson haters here. mjkredliner, name 3 fighters Tyson should have fought from 87-92? You can't, there were none. He fought everyone. 4 defenses per year? We're lucky to get 2 per year now with all the ducking and dodging. Fighters blaming contracts when really all they do is hide. Like Lennox did until he was in his mid 30's. Tyson was the undisputed champ. No one could beat him. He was a pure fighter, and it showed. Rooney never said Tyson was flawed, he became flawed when he stopped training as any fighter would. Justgary you say "Oh please" when its brough up that Mike may have thrown the fight, as if he's the type of guy that would never do anything wrong. Entirely possible, knowing what kind of lowlife Tyson is Get over it. Did he whip your ass in middle school or something?

posted by BlogZilla at 12:57 AM on February 02, 2006

mjkredliner, you do make 1 interesting point. Look at the records of these fighters before Tyson (undefeated/ 1 or 2 loses), then completely down hill. He took everything they had from them. They were never the same after their fights with Mike. Even you can't dispute that. Let me guess, it was a coincidence right? Pinky Thomas, James Bonecrusher Smith, and Frank Bruno would whip any heavyweight out right now.

posted by BlogZilla at 01:11 AM on February 02, 2006

I'll bet you Ted Nolan would have whipped Tyson's ass in middle school.

posted by qbert72 at 01:48 AM on February 02, 2006

nah mike was to busy beatin up old ladies and snatchin purses to fuck with me

posted by mjkredliner at 02:02 AM on February 02, 2006

Padded records against bums before fighting Tyson, and when they fought contenders after getting whipped by Tyson, their true talant level showed. I grant you Iron Mike never shirked a fight, but the competition was weak. And he is still a lowlife.

posted by mjkredliner at 02:07 AM on February 02, 2006

Justgary you say "Oh please" when its brough up that Mike may have thrown the fight, as if he's the type of guy that would never do anything wrong. I said "oh please" because in your defense of his career you come to his first loss and thow out that he "might" have thrown it. Even if this whacked out theory is correct, why was he never the same fighter? If he threw the fight, he should have been able to pick up where he left off. The fact is he had his ass handed to him that night, and after he never seemed as unbeatable again. I mean, if you're going to go through his career to prove how great a fighter he was and then throw out his first loss because he might have thrown it (and I've heard nothing of this from anyone with any credibility) then the whole exercise is kind of tainted.

posted by justgary at 02:43 AM on February 02, 2006

I don't think Tyson could have thrown the Douglas fight. He's not that good of an actor. Anybody who watched the fight and saw him franticly trying to find his mouthpiece would have to agree.

posted by njsk8r20 at 10:00 AM on February 02, 2006

grum, I'm not even a Senators fan and I must tell you I'm starting to get a little bit tired of this. What exactly have the Leafs done in recent springs apart from beating the Senators? I'm just poking at the Senators fans. It's a defense mechanism for me as I watch their favourite team dismantle and destroy my favourite team the last 3 times they've met. I'm simply harping on the Senators' fan's (unfounded) misery at not beating the Leafs in the playoffs. I completely respect the Ottawa Senators as one of the best teams in the league, and fully recognize that they could thump the Leafs 99 times out of 100 this year. It's purely a good natured ribbing. And to answer your question ("What exactly have the Leafs done in recent springs apart from beating the Senators?"), that's easy: Played an extra round in the playoffs. ;)

posted by grum@work at 11:47 AM on February 02, 2006

13 Stanley Cup wins, second highest among NHL teams. Two three peats among the 13. Three Stanley Cup series sweeps. Not winning the Stanley Cup since 1967 while Original Six rival Red Wings have won it twice since 1997, priceless.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:51 PM on February 02, 2006

Look, I have no trouble at all admitting Mike got slow and sloppy. I have no trouble admitting there was no real comp in the heavyweight division at the time. I still don't think it takes away from what he accomplished. Look how people talk about Lennox Lewis. He beat fighters that were done. He got beat by Mike Grant and H. Rahman. He wasn't that good. Look at the heavyweight division now. There hasn't been a dominant heavyweight since Tyson. Lewis would never defend his title 8 times in 2 years. Bowe? Holyfield?, the samething happened to them that happened to Tyson. It happens to just about all fighters, but it doesn't take away from what they accomplished. Its my opinion that Tyson was 1 of the best punchers in the game. I never implied he was a model citizen. Every great fighter in history got beat. Ali got "his ass handed to him" by Frazier, that doesn't mean he wasn't great. How many people did Tyson hand their ass before he got beat? Justgary, were you a Douglas fan? Or did you just pull for every fighter that Tyson faced? And if you can imagine getting 48-1 odds on 50 million dollars as a "whacked out theory", you must not know to much about Don King and the underworld of boxing. That just so happened to be the first fight Mike virtually didn't train for, and the first fight he came into well over his normal fighting weight. Why would a undefeated fighter do that on purpose? Maybe someone told him to do it. It was the perfect chance to make a fortune. Also remember there was no line offered on Douglas until like 2 or 3 days before the fight.

posted by BlogZilla at 06:45 PM on February 02, 2006

Not winning the Stanley Cup since 1967 while Original Six rival Red Wings have won it twice since 1997, priceless. Very true. Us Leaf fans take whatever small victories we can get now. *cough*NikolaiBorschevskyMay1st1993*cough*

posted by grum@work at 07:27 PM on February 02, 2006

Ali got "his ass handed to him" by Frazier, that doesn't mean he wasn't great. And no where did I say that. I said he got his ass handed to him in response to you saying he threw the fight. Justgary, were you a Douglas fan? Or did you just pull for every fighter that Tyson faced? I really wish we could get rid of nonsense like this at sportsfilter. Claiming someone doesn't like a guy simply because he/she doesn't agree with you is pretty lame. I could just call you a blind fan of the guy, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a fan of boxing, period. I have no axe to grind with tyson. I loved watching his fights. Mike Tyson has to be mentioned with the top heavey weights. There was a time he seemed unbeatable. But he was a small fighter, and when pushed, when the fighter didn't crumble after tyson's first barrage, tyson was lost. And yet when the very top heavey weight is mentioned, fans often bring up tyson. And that's why I say he's over rated. I'm not alone. How Good Was/Is Mike Tyson? Tyson's place in boxing history is difficult to assess. In truth, his period of greatness was a short one, lasting roughly from about age 19 to 23. He never really fought a great fighter; Michael Spinks, had his knees not been weakened by a series of operations, might have tested him. The only other fighter he faced who even approached greatness was Holmes, who was 38 when they fought. I'd pretty much hang my hat on this list: Ten heavyweights we'd take over Tyson: Muhammad Ali Joe Frazier George Foreman Larry Holmes Joe Louis Rocky Marciano Sonny Liston Jack Johnson Gene Tunney Jack Dempsey Or this list. And if you can imagine getting 48-1 odds on 50 million dollars as a "whacked out theory", you must not know to much about Don King and the underworld of boxing. I'm fully aware of boxing's "underworld". I've read tons of interviews about tyson, with his trainers, boxing experts, and I've never heard of tyson throwing the fight. Do you have any links to any credible sources backing up this claim? If not I stand by my "whacked out theory" comment. Anyone can throw out a conspiracy theory. Backing it up is the hard part. Bert Sugar put out a book, 100 greatest fighters. Tyson was number 100. He later said he would be number 15 among heaveyweights, and couldn't beat a dead Jack Johnson. Great fighter for a very small amount of time. Greatest? Not a chance.

posted by justgary at 10:22 PM on February 02, 2006

I'd agree with most of what you posted except the part that Spinks would have tested him. He got knocked out in the 1st due to a knee injury? Or weak knees? That's nuts. I'd agree his knees weren't the same after the knockout, that's for sure. The article i read about Tyson throwing the fight was a newer magazine called King mag. I doubt you've heard of it. I wouldn't call it a credible boxing source. It was mentioned in an article also mentioning the Notorious BIG Murder conspiracy. And the many faces of Don King. I really wish we could get rid of nonsense like this at sportsfilter. Claiming someone doesn't like a guy simply because he/she doesn't agree with you is pretty lame. I'll agree, and while you're at it, I'd like to get rid of useless personal comments about the people we're discussing. Tyson shouldn't be on a goalies mask because he's a lowlife, purse snatcher? Maybe the guy like to watch him fight just like justgary and myself. But I guess there is only room in the NHL for actual low lifes, not pictures of them.

posted by BlogZilla at 01:38 AM on February 03, 2006

I'd agree with most of what you posted except the part that Spinks would have tested him. I didn't agree with that part either. Spinks was completely outclassed in that fight. I felt sorry for him. Good knees and he might make it last a few more seconds, which wouldn't have been a good thing.

posted by justgary at 01:45 AM on February 03, 2006

And for what it's worth, I don't really subscribe to the whole "tyson never fought anyone" mentality. He fought everyone that came his way. He couldn't control who was available to fight. I feel the same way when people talk about roy jone's opponents. They can't control who's available to fight. My main gripe against tyson is he simply didn't last very long. He looked so dominant. It's a shame he lost his way. (I don't think he threw the douglas fight, but he definitely wasn't ready. Most shocking fight I've ever seen.)

posted by justgary at 01:51 AM on February 03, 2006

while Original Six rival Red Wings have won it twice since 1997, priceless. Oops, I meant three times.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:53 AM on February 03, 2006

BlogZilla: I'd like to get rid of useless personal comments about the people we're discussing. BlogZilla (in the same paragraph): I guess there is only room in the NHL for actual low lifes, not pictures of them. That didn't last long, hey?

posted by qbert72 at 07:32 AM on February 03, 2006

Rocky Marciano, Rocky Marciano, how come every time I talk about boxing some white guy has to pull Rocky Marciano out of his ass. Hey! FU, FU, and FU! Who's next?

posted by njsk8r20 at 07:35 AM on February 03, 2006

njsk8r20, that is classic comedy. qbert72, that is a sarcastic remark made merely to show how the conversation would go if we all thought like that. Justgary, I totally agree with "they didn't fight anyone" comment being BS. These fighters cannot help being that much better than the competition. And if Mike or Roy had some flaws, how much worse were the fighters they faced that got beat by fighters who had flaws? Whats your opinion of the Hopkins/Jones fight coming up?

posted by BlogZilla at 06:26 PM on February 03, 2006

Whats your opinion of the Hopkins/Jones fight coming up? Is that fight still on? It's hard for me to watch roy jones jr. these days. I'm from his home town and use to see him jogging down the street quite often. I wish he'd retire. He's getting a lot of "see, he never was that good" crap thrown at him now. But he's simply not as fast as he use to be, and that's what made him special. A lot like tyson. Tyson was strong but he was also super fast and he could hang with the bigger heavyweights. Ones jones and tyson lost their speed, they lost a big factor in what made them so good.

posted by justgary at 10:33 PM on February 03, 2006

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