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October 23, 2005
Texas gains two more top votes in ap poll: No 2 texas may not be no 2 for long,after dispatching previously unbeaten Texas Tech 52-17, the longhorns seem to be changing peoples minds as to who should be no 1.
posted by to football at 04:20 PM - 30 comments
Although I would love to see da horns in the top spot, it's still USC's to lose.
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 06:50 PM on October 23, 2005
I have to disagree the quality pummiling that texas has handed out(in practacally every game) in my opinion far outweigh usc's victorys(notre dame should have won)this year...Texas 1 Usc 2
I'm all for switching teams out of a top ranking when necessary, even if the former No. 1 hadn't lost. At the same time, it'll be interesting to see if the quoted pollster from NC is willing to elevate USC back to No. 1 over Texas if the Trojans improve their resume by running the table. As it is, I'm not getting with the idea that UT has a "more complete resume" than USC has currently. (Ohio State is a true test. Texas Tech -- allergic to competition -- is not.) But if both teams end up undefeated on Dec. 3, not even Ricky Gervais could whip up a comedy that Texas would have the better CV.
posted by jackhererra at 07:16 PM on October 23, 2005
That's cause Ricky Gervais isn't funny. He's just milking one mildly funny gag over and over and over and over...
posted by Drood at 08:15 PM on October 23, 2005
Who the hell is Ricky Gervais?
posted by wfrazerjr at 09:10 PM on October 23, 2005
"I didn't move USC down as much as I moved Texas up," said Joe Giglio of The News & Observer of Raleigh, N.C., one of two voters to switch Texas and USC this week. "I feel (the Longhorns) have a more complete resume and I'm really impressed with how they've handled their business." This is the same JP Giglio of the Raleigh News & Observer that ranked Louisville at number 1 before the season started. His reason? "Louisville was the only one that I came up with as going undefeated." Just throwin' that out there.
posted by NoMich at 09:43 PM on October 23, 2005
The answer to the question will come the first week of January, assuming Texas and USC run the table, and everything until then is hot air. Certainly only VT seems to be close to the same level and their opponents don't speak to another three-part controversy.
posted by billsaysthis at 10:52 PM on October 23, 2005
USC is one of the best college teams EVER. They deserve that number 1 spot in the ranks without a question if they go undefeated. How else could they prove they deserve it if they won every game??
posted by redsoxrgay at 04:48 AM on October 24, 2005
Both USC and Texas have beaten three ranked opponents, but Texas has faced two in the top 10 and USC has faced 1. I think the Ohio State win makes Texas' undefeated record more of an accomplishment, and they should be getting more No. 1 votes. However, from this point out USC faces three ranked opponents and Texas faces none (until the conference championship, presumably). I hope this is settled in January. I think Texas rolls over them.
posted by rcade at 07:03 AM on October 24, 2005
I'm not sure at this point I can agree that USC and UT need to swap positions in the polls, but something's seriously wrong if they're both in the top 2 and they don't play each other in January.
posted by alumshubby at 07:04 AM on October 24, 2005
I think Texas rolls over them. I don't know if anyone rolls over a team with Reggie Bush on it.
posted by yerfatma at 08:58 AM on October 24, 2005
USC is one of the best college teams EVER. They deserve that number 1 spot in the ranks without a question if they go undefeated. How else could they prove they deserve it if they won every game?? If they win every game by 3, against weaker opponents, then they don't deserve to be rated higher than a team that plays against harder teams and wins more convincingly. You do get points for style in college football. When you look at the schedules, however, you really don't need to worry. USC is still consensus #1, with three more games against teams currently in the top 25. The rest of Texas' regular season schedule looks weak, until the Big 12 championship. By pounding a team that was ranked #10, Texas currently is as close to #1 as they're going to get until the national championship game, provided both teams go undefeated.
posted by chmurray at 09:24 AM on October 24, 2005
If they win every game by 3, against weaker opponents, then they don't deserve to be rated higher than a team that plays against harder teams and wins more convincingly. You do get points for style in college football. This is the worst arguement I have ever heard. USC only had one game finish by less than double digits and we all remeber that one. Need I remind you that in their one game against a Notre Dame caliber opponent, also on the road, Texas also escaped with a narrow three point victory. Outside of the Ohio State game they haven't had a close game, but they also haven't played anybody. I know Oklahoma was a big win for them since they haven't beat OK in a long damn time, but we are talking about the same OK team that lost to TCU and is not very good. The only other impressive team worth mentioning is Texas Tech, who amassed an incredible ranking by blowing out nobodies in classic T Tech fashion. Their only credible win came on a forth-down last second TD to beat Nebraska (not exactly a powerhouse). Meanwhile USC has beat a tough Oregon team @ Oregon and an ASU team that gave LSU all they could handle @ ASU. Take your bull shit arguement somewhere else. USC is the best team in the country until someone proves otherwise. Texas is just gearing up to be this year's Oklahoma, a team good enough to make another USC 'ship look legitimate. I just curious to see if Mack Brown can convince voters that they should be ranked ahead of another Pac-10 team this season.
posted by bigrobbieb at 12:32 PM on October 24, 2005
did you even read my post?
posted by chmurray at 01:01 PM on October 24, 2005
Texas is now #1 in BCS rankings. What a crock of shit.
posted by catfish at 02:18 PM on October 24, 2005
BCS is at the mercy of the computers just now, I think, and as previous comments point out, the level of remaining competition will probably swing this back to the Trojans before the title game.
posted by billsaysthis at 02:31 PM on October 24, 2005
From the article in the other post: "Texas is second in all three polls, but gained a few points on USC from voters after a 52-17 victory over previously unbeaten Texas Tech on Saturday. Computer polls, however, weigh heavily on strength of schedule and the win over the Red Raiders gave Texas a big boost." When you also factor in that the edge is .9763 to .9756, it seems pretty clear that this is only a temporary situation.
posted by chmurray at 03:26 PM on October 24, 2005
It's great to see the Horns atop a poll, however short-lived I expect this to be if USC wins the rest of its sked.
posted by rcade at 03:41 PM on October 24, 2005
UT all the way ket them be number 2 so win they win the rose bowl it will be an upset
posted by barry from h-town at 04:31 PM on October 24, 2005
Just to throw somthing out"I wonder how many of you(who thinks usc is such a power house) would bet money on usc winning against Texas....remember they only beat notre dame by the luck of their underoos..
Here's the road to Austin for other teams that want to become the nation's 10th best team like TTU did: Florida International, Indiana State, Sam Houston State, Kansas (best win, Louisiana Tech), Nebraska (best win, Iowa State), and Kansas State (best win, Kansas). Not only had the Red Raiders taken September off, so did their opponents. As I mentioned to someone else, Mike Leach choked on the fateful fourth-and-5 shortly before halftime because for the first time this year, he had to do risk/benefit analysis, something you don't have to worry about when you're busy throwing up 80 on Sam Houston State. I'm fine with the computers, and we'd probably be better off if the BCS didn't have this nasty habit of changing the formula every year. They keep cutting out the factors that make the "nerds" relevent, like strength of schedule and margin of victory. But it's the voting system that bugs me the most, forcing voters to promote teams up the poll without posting anything resembling a quality opponent. And yes, I would put money on USC against Texas. I forgot about that dominant effort the 'Horns put up against Ohio State. Looked like a game the Bucs lost than one UT won, if you're going to go down that route.
posted by jackhererra at 05:01 PM on October 24, 2005
Looked like a game the Bucs lost than one UT won, if you're going to go down that route if were going down that route USC LOST in my opinion to ND the same nd team that wasn't even ranked last year,the same team they destroyed the year before ,yeah the have my x offencive guy (good ol charlie we miss you in new england)I hate to tell you but USC gotten worse the comp hasnt gotten better and I'll take that bet with you if they meet USC go's down to Texas 42-28 I''l take all comers..
USC go's down to Texas 42-28 I''l take all comers.. Gladly take that action. And yes, I would put money on USC against Texas. I forgot about that dominant effort the 'Horns put up against Ohio State. Looked like a game the Bucs lost than one UT won, if you're going to go down that route. I would also have to second this comment and your reply doesn't make very much sense, if you have seen college football you would know that Notre Dame is a much improved team than last year's version. USC is not as dominant on defense as they have been the past two years, I will certainly give you that, but in their close win they pulled off a game-winning drive, while in Texas v. Ohio State, OSU collapsed.
posted by bigrobbieb at 05:45 PM on October 24, 2005
It's funny you say OSU collapsed,typical usc collapsed in the first half against oregon,and N.D Collapsed in the end against USC, yeah nd is a better COACHED team still the same cast though
Sorry, Dead600, you went down that "skin of their teeth" road before I did. Maybe we watched different games, but I saw Ohio State's best QB spending half of the Texas game on the bench, particularly on the team's most important non-drive of the game. Ya know, the one after Young's game-winning connection with Sweed. You're familiar with that, I'm sure. The difference between USC's "collapses" and those of Ohio State is that one team ended up with victory margins averaging 21 points in those two games and is still undefeated, and the other team ended up losing a game it had no business losing. Since you asked. (ND: Weis' talents notwithstanding, what offense doesn't improve with 11 of 12 starters returning from the previous season?) I hate to say this in light of some of the claptrap on this board, but I think that Texas is the one team USC should be wary of if there were a best three out of five series. That said, it's tough to argue that the 'Horns have the better resume -- even at this point -- in a year wherein the Big 12 is pretty busted. If we're going to compare report cards, Notre Dame and Ohio State are basically even, but if you were to put Arizona State (yes 3-4 ASU) and Oregon against Texas Tech and Colorado, the first pair is tougher than the second. Even USC's cannon fodder is better than Texas'.
posted by jackhererra at 08:15 PM on October 24, 2005
the other team ended up losing a game it had no business losing. Since you asked. same can be said of notre dame, they had the game won they lost it USC didnt win it ,usc belongs in second ohio st is far better than my beloved Irish who didn't even rank last year, ohio st has been a power house for years, notre dame has been barely visable for a long time..the only change has been a coach..opinions vary mine is well known UT 1 USC 2.... barely
N.D Collapsed in the end against USC . . . same can be said of notre dame, they had the game won they lost it USC didnt win it Did you watch the same game? It was back and forth at the end. I don't think one long 4th and 9 completion amounts to a "collapse".
posted by yerfatma at 08:30 PM on October 24, 2005
do you search me out to argue with me ? opinions vary you take yours i'll have mine or should I just SUFU NOOB. And small or large a collapse is a collapse or a win a win cant have it both ways......peace brother
Ain't but 2 things that come from Texas