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October 18, 2005
Victor Conte (Balco) gets sentenced 8 months: Its official- Victor Conte is guility. Conte sevres a total of 8 months, but will recieve only 4 in prision.
posted by redsoxrgay to general at 02:23 PM - 31 comments
He's getting off easier then alot of drug dealers I know.
posted by HATER 187 at 03:23 PM on October 18, 2005
Damn it, hater ... that was an excellent comment! Just remember that "a lot" is two words and you are well on your way to upper echelonity. :) Now, for a moronic comment -- who do you think will be giving Conte the cream in jail?
posted by wfrazerjr at 04:36 PM on October 18, 2005
me fail english that unpossible
posted by HATER 187 at 04:46 PM on October 18, 2005
ps i really don't get the "clear" and the "cream" can you reall take that shit without knowing what it is?
posted by HATER 187 at 04:47 PM on October 18, 2005
This guy is so dirty he makes me feel like I need a shower. He's also absolutely terrified of prison which makes sense. He's the guiltiest one of the whole bunch really, his company made the drugs and also tried to make them as hard to detect as possible. Hater 187, if your longtime trainer gives you some lotion to put on your muscles, do you make sure he gives the complete ingredient run down or do you trust him and rub it on?
posted by fenriq at 04:51 PM on October 18, 2005
Why Conte appeal his sentence?
posted by mayerkyl at 04:58 PM on October 18, 2005
I don't think steroids when i hear lotion. I maybe naive but i think of steroids as the kind of think you main line. I could see an accidental useage but again I have no familiarity with it. I really could not imagine a cream that makes you stronger. It sounds far fetched but it happened. The bottom line is this piece of shit Conte has ruined what has been a big part of my life since early childhood. I really can't look at baseball the same way. I hope his ass gets passed around like a peace pipe at weedy Mcsmokey's house on 420. Grab your ankles and start squealing Conte.
posted by HATER 187 at 04:58 PM on October 18, 2005
Hater, I agree with you, Conte knowingly and willingly engaged in science to help athletes cheat at their sports. He got off easy even if he gets four months of hard(on) time. He should lose every penny he's made and spend the rest of his life in jail for his crimes. I hate plea bargains.
posted by fenriq at 05:23 PM on October 18, 2005
He should lose every penny he's made and spend the rest of his life in jail for his crimes. For selling P.E.D.s? That's a bit much. It's not like he sold the drugs to children, or that it was crack cocaine, or ran a gang that killed people for protecting their "territory". Me thinks your feelings on the matter are a wee bit overblown. I really can't look at baseball the same way. Really? So the first thing you thought of when Pujols or Berkman hit those home runs last night was "I bet he's on steroids." No? Then I'm pretty sure it hasn't ruined the game as much as you think.
posted by grum@work at 06:12 PM on October 18, 2005
Also, Conte didn't introduce steroids to baseball, directly or indirectly, AFAIK.
posted by cl at 06:30 PM on October 18, 2005
The very first sentence of the posted article has me baffeled. If they are "undetectable" banned drugs, then how the hell did he get caught". Or has "undetectable" lost it's meaning.
posted by drevl at 06:32 PM on October 18, 2005
grum, no, Conte should go to jail for a lot longer than 4 months because he's had a direct hand in helping to undermine the whole "Steroids will kill you" argument. He's been part of the problem by creating harder to detect steroids so that people could cheat, so that role models could excel by farce. I didn't think it when Berkman or Pujols hit the home runs but I certainly thought it a couple of years ago when Gorilla Sammy Sosa was nutting 500 foot home runs during the home run derby. No way was he clean then and now that he's the incredibly shrinking Sammy, no way is he juiced now. And I still hate plea bargains.
posted by fenriq at 07:02 PM on October 18, 2005
In 50 years or so our grandchildren will laugh at the uptight pricks we've become. This cream (clear) might turn into some type of miracle drug for all we know.
posted by catfish at 08:20 PM on October 18, 2005
If they are "undetectable" banned drugs, then how the hell did he get caught". Or has "undetectable" lost it's meaning. This is old news, and everyone who's been even casually following the PED discussion/debate in any sport already knows it, but in the era of PED testing, there's no point in developing a PED that can be detected using current tests. Time goes on and enforcement catches up, and what was once undetectable is now detectable. Is that, pardon the pun, clear?
posted by lil_brown_bat at 09:33 PM on October 18, 2005
drevl, when he (or somebody smart who worked for him) invented the drugs, they were "undetectable" in the sense that no existing test would find them. Later, investigators were tipped off. They secretly developed a test for the stuff and then busted a bunch of athletes and others. Conte confessed to the steroid distribution charge on TV, for crissakes. I'm not sure what the proscecutors got out of the plea bargain, but I'm not a lawyer.
posted by Amateur at 10:06 PM on October 18, 2005
Grum, the recent era of baseball we have been living through is filled with some of the greatest hitters ever to play. The twice broken single season homerun record is sham and 61 still stands in my mind. The biggest blow had to have been Palmero. He consitently put up good numbers through out his career but never blew you away with say 76 homers in a season I really believed him when he said he didn't but how wrong I was. I am a little wary of anyone who has a huge spike in thier numbers and I think it should be in the backs of all our minds.
posted by HATER 187 at 08:40 AM on October 19, 2005
grum, no, Conte should go to jail for a lot longer than 4 months because he's had a direct hand in helping to undermine the whole "Steroids will kill you" argument. There is a difference between saying a person should be in jail for longer than 4 months, and saying that he should be in jail for the rest of his life. By the way, if you really care that Conte is undermining the idea that "steroids will kill", then I'm sure you're all for long sentences for the CEOs of tobacco companies, since they undermine the whole "cigarettes will kill you" argument.
posted by grum@work at 10:14 AM on October 19, 2005
The twice broken single season homerun record is sham and 61 still stands in my mind. Shouldn't it still be 60 then since seasons run 162 games now?
posted by yerfatma at 11:42 AM on October 19, 2005
Conte although an Idiot sold or gave an experimental drug to a bunch of grown men,these were MEN not boys not impressionable youth MEN,I dont take anything from my Dr whom i've known since childhood without knowing what it is.Does anybody in their right mind actually believe that ANY of these MEN slapped on a cream (yeah right sheffield) or downed a vail without knowing? if the did their idiots too!I dont for a second believe they didnt know exactaly what they were doing,some i believe are still running the gambit(thats you GIAMBI, BONDS)if conte is guilty and sentanced shouldnt all the users be too?
I dont take anything from my Dr whom i've known since childhood without knowing what it is. How far do you take that? If your doc tells you it's medicine that will cure what ails you, do you take it home and throw it in the centrifuge?
posted by yerfatma at 08:13 AM on October 20, 2005
NO i look it up on the internet and read and learn,and if that is all you can take from that paragraph i feel sorry for your ignorance,THE POINT i guess i have to spell it out for you is how can you take some-thing frome some-one whithout haveing the slight interest in what it is? oh i'll just take your word for it, ok dummy I've got some prime real estate in the mojave full of gold and oil $2000 an acre get your checkbook out...
also verfatma were not trying to find the ingredients and their atomic weight but what it is what it does and it's effects ,these so called men (yeah you again sheffield)slap on a cream (haha)not knowing it was a performance enhancer,and an illegal one at that, just put this on you'll get bigger stronger faster,but dont tell anyone...man the humanity
The internet is a powerful research tool in the hands of those who already have some idea about whether what they're reading is true or not. There's a lot of misinformation out there too, so why should you automatically consider the internet to be a valid, truthful source, any more than you would your family doctor? I take no position on whether the Balco clients were painfully naive, extremely stupid, cynically "trusting" or duped by someone who fed them a line that a reasonable person would have gone for. I will point out, though, that there has been at least one case in the past (not in MLB, but elsewhere) of an athlete busted for doping after ingesting an over-the-counter product containing a banned substance that was not present on the ingredient label. Internet reader and researcher that you are, you'd probably consider it an appropriate amount of due diligence to read the ingredient label and google the contents -- but that would not have saved you in this case. Guess that would make you less of a MAN, huh?
posted by lil_brown_bat at 09:10 AM on October 20, 2005
No but using my head for more than a place to put my hat would. wouldn't it? no googling would not have saved me but common sense would have, wouldn't it?
oh and LBB no wonder,your so adamantly defending being that your yankees are the BIGGEST of the steriod culprits, when that sweaty greaseball giambi(comeback player of the year my ass,more like found a new designer steriod of the year)who by the way shows every sign of steriod use,gets caught i hope the lock him up and throw away the key..or at least his hall of fame bid.
Any interest in an argument on the merits of a point rather than personality? Maybe just for a change. No?
posted by yerfatma at 12:00 PM on October 20, 2005
verfatma did you even read the comments? obviously not plenty of points made... any chance of you reading or comprehending? no?
Uh-huh.
posted by yerfatma at 08:52 PM on October 20, 2005
Hey grum@work- Although Conte didnt directly sell steroids to children, he made steroids seem like the right thing to do, and the best thing to do if your an athlete. He def. deserves more than 4 months in prison, because he started a lot of other problems off the MLB baseball field. Point is, he got off REALLY easy.
posted by redsoxrgay at 08:09 PM on October 22, 2005
he made steroids seem like the right thing to do, and the best thing to do if your an athlete. he didn't really seem like a peddler to me though. i remember reading something about how he ran blood tests on athletes to determine if they were already using a PED. if the tests came back clean he would give those athletes some vitamins and send them on their merry way. if they were on something already, then he'd move in and start them on his PEDs. in knowing which athletes were doping, all he had to do was convince them that his stuff was better instead of convincing them to use in the first place. (of course i'm going by memory so the above could be completely wrong.)
posted by goddam at 10:27 PM on October 22, 2005
this story says 4 months