September 24, 2003

East German deja vu all over again.:

posted by garfield to other at 09:56 AM - 25 comments

Wow. I really want that list of 24 to be published. I wonder if there are any NHL or NBA players on it.

posted by Ufez Jones at 11:24 AM on September 24, 2003

Most of the violations, so the article says, are for stimulants found in non-prescription cold medicines so I don't think the NBA or NL will be terribly concerned, Ufez. You scandalmonger, you!

posted by billsaysthis at 11:28 AM on September 24, 2003

Sure found there, but also found in other substances. Besides, scandals are good for the NBA, right? /mark cuban

posted by Ufez Jones at 11:37 AM on September 24, 2003

In other steroid related news...

posted by pitchblende at 12:18 PM on September 24, 2003


posted by Samsonov14 at 02:01 PM on September 24, 2003

that's funny.

posted by garfield at 02:35 PM on September 24, 2003

>..."overwhelming" number of them were for stimulants commonly found in nonprescription cold medication. Five years ago Andy Moog had sinus trouble; enter hockey's little helper. Requisite Ben Johnson reference: excerpts from an interview "published Wednesday -- 15 years to the day he won the 100-metre final at the 1988 Seoul Olympics." Oh, if the Times had waited a week - grist for the mill and all that, eh wot!

posted by Philfromhavelock at 06:07 PM on September 24, 2003

Great link, Phil. I hadn't known about Sudafed in the NHL. I've been taking Sudafed for years just to get through my mornings, and wasn't aware of any side effects. Interesting stuff. *punches dog in the nuts*

posted by Samsonov14 at 08:55 PM on September 24, 2003

I've seen reports that one of them was Carl Lewis during the 1988 Olympics for which Ben Johnson was banished. For whatever reason, the USA sports media has been asleep for quite a while on this issue. I can remember hen a similar report came out before the Sydney Olympics when a member of the drug screening committee said the same thing. All I know is that everything in this sport is fishy. Marion Jones' husband getting banned before Sydney, yet she has the build of a Division I defensive back. As the Chinese long-distance runners who devastated world records a decade ago have shown, it's easier to mask HGH, steriods and other illegal performance enhancing drugs. It was widely speculated that the East German scientists who had supplemented the dominance of their women athletes had been hired by the Chinese after the fall of the Berlin wall. Mose importantly, this and previous events like the Chinese women has shown the politics behind the enforcement.

posted by GoDizzGo at 07:18 AM on September 25, 2003

Phil, the NHL denies it: "The NHL, however, disputes that figure, saying the percentage of players using drugs such as Sudafed is much lower and that they use them for medicinal purposes only." Just as the USOC downplays the infractions. Admission/Full disclosure doesn't serve their purposes. Dizz, what enforcement? That would shatter too many egos.

posted by garfield at 08:42 AM on September 25, 2003

Sammy, you might need some help

posted by garfield at 08:43 AM on September 25, 2003

Thanks, Samsonov. Paul Kariya was interviewed by the CBC when he was set to return after the Gary Suter hit. He said Jari Kurri, then with the Ducks, complained about the lack of respect players had for each other. But here Jari Kurri directly mentions Sudafed. garfield, I'm not surprised they deny it. I haven't heard anything about Sudafed since the nineties so I don't know if it's more hush-hush or if players like Andy Moog have all since retired.

posted by Philfromhavelock at 09:00 AM on September 25, 2003

I remember reading in Ball Four about 'greenies' - ball players in the 60s popped them like vitamins. Uppers and sports have been around forever. Frankly, I'd rather play with guys who take a few Sudafed then what Darcy Tucker does - drinks a couple cups of coffee mixed with Coke. No, not that coke.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 09:22 AM on September 25, 2003

Phil, I'm sure you weren't. I was just trying to illustrate the USOC's ambiguousness as suspect. Great link, regardless. My school nurse used to give sudafed away like hot cakes....and boy 'o boy, do I like hot cakes.

posted by garfield at 09:23 AM on September 25, 2003

Oh fuck it - just get everyone to cheat, now - it'll be like a new space race - maybe we'll eventually cure the common cold, or invent a new virus as a side effect. It ain't like the USATF is going to stop covering up their athletes in the pursuit of glory and money. Now that they've turned it over to the World Doping Agency, it's a little better - but it's not like this stuff corrects itself overnight. USA - bunch of CHEATERS. Yep. I'll stand by it. Cheater, cheater, cheater....

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 09:54 AM on September 25, 2003

Not cheaters, Weedy - winners.

posted by Samsonov14 at 10:20 AM on September 25, 2003

That's what the East Germans said. And their women had to shave more than you.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 10:50 AM on September 25, 2003

*punches dog in the nuts*

posted by lilnemo at 11:52 AM on September 25, 2003

SpoFi:*punches dog in the nuts*

posted by lilnemo at 11:52 AM on September 25, 2003

Your dog still has nuts? Don't you listen to Bob Barker!? I would love to find out that Carl Lewis was doping in the 1988 Olympics. It would be sweet justice to see the sanctimonious bastard get caught. I remember him doing interviews about how it was proof he was the fastest LEGAL man alive.

posted by grum@work at 12:14 PM on September 25, 2003

True, I wouldn't mess with Bob. He beat the snot out of Adam Sandler.

posted by lilnemo at 12:16 PM on September 25, 2003

....and a few of his beauties as well.

posted by garfield at 02:03 PM on September 25, 2003

..only it wasn't snot. You gotta admire Bob for being so old school. He's like Sinatra. Or at the very least Bing Crosby, without the child beating. Stop laughing.

posted by lilnemo at 02:40 PM on September 25, 2003

Grum, I think we're all little bitter about that.

posted by garfield at 03:38 PM on September 25, 2003

just a follow up...i wonder if the second guy is suffering from narcolepsy as well?

posted by garfield at 03:15 PM on October 09, 2003

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