August 13, 2003

Some interesting facts: about everyone's favorite tennis star. Personally, her #1 ranking on FHM's list was complete bs. She is hot, but there are alot of models/singers/actresses that are alot better.

posted by dales15 to tennis at 01:52 PM - 54 comments

Ball popping?!

posted by StarFucker at 02:24 PM on August 13, 2003

sharapova is my gal now.

posted by garfield at 02:33 PM on August 13, 2003

I never saw the big deal with her anyway. Hotter than most tennis players, but not worthy of the attention she gets, and not even close to being #1 on any list...

posted by Bernreuther at 03:06 PM on August 13, 2003

I love that they are doing an E! True Hollywood Story on her already. I agree with Bern. She's cute, but there are hotter sports chicks.

posted by jerseygirl at 03:11 PM on August 13, 2003

Name ONE!

posted by StarFucker at 03:48 PM on August 13, 2003


posted by msacheson at 04:12 PM on August 13, 2003

Don't know how to link a pic and inserting links doesn't seem to be working on this computer, but I would take Jenny Finch Heather Mitts and Dana Torres Anna has just always had the hype

posted by dales15 at 04:28 PM on August 13, 2003

hot damn, girl! Marion Jones! Hot, smart and successful.

posted by dusted at 04:38 PM on August 13, 2003

Marion "Man" Jones?!? HAHAHHAHAAA!!

posted by StarFucker at 04:56 PM on August 13, 2003

Say what you will, I think she's beautiful. Now excuse me while I drop-kick StarFucker past Marion...

posted by dusted at 05:13 PM on August 13, 2003

yes, the swimmers for sure. and I am sure there are some hot soccer players, though I couldn't name them. But I can name a lot of people I know who are better looking than she is... Jerseygirl, stop agreeing with me, you're a Sox fan, we ought to be at each others throats! :)

posted by Bernreuther at 10:38 PM on August 13, 2003

How does that "man" insult work, StarFucker? If it's any female athlete who is more manly than you, I would imagine it's a pretty large group.

posted by rcade at 09:17 AM on August 14, 2003

How does it work? You know how it works... I don't like women who have muscles and adam's apples larger than mine... If you like fucking women who look like men, maybe you should look deeper into your sexuality. You may be denying yourself some intense ass loving.

posted by StarFucker at 11:19 AM on August 14, 2003

Starfucker, maybe you need to figure out why muscles on a woman scares you? Strong women too intimidating for your fragile ego?

posted by aacheson at 11:41 AM on August 14, 2003

Did i say scare? Who said anything about guys are looking for something that isn't there... I simply don't like muscular women, i think its ugly. I'm not attracted to women who look like MEN! What are you guys struggling with here? Here...go make love to this.... Its not scary, its hideous.

posted by StarFucker at 11:44 AM on August 14, 2003


posted by garfield at 11:49 AM on August 14, 2003

The greasy muscle bound guys don't do it for me, so I can see where a guy wouldn't want a muscle bound girl either, I guess. It's certainly impressive that they've toned and built themselves to that condition, but to me, totally unappealing. It's just one of my things I don't find attractive, like when people use plugs to stretch out their earlobes. Call me crazy, I don't like earlobes you can jump rope with. Jerseygirl, stop agreeing with me, you're a Sox fan, we ought to be at each others throats! :) Oh right. Let the "You suck!" "No, you do!" fights commence! :)

posted by jerseygirl at 11:59 AM on August 14, 2003

StarFucker, I know you're exaggerating to make a point, but Marion Jones isn't even in the same area code as that picture. She's one of the best athletes in the world, so yeah, she's doesn't look like an average woman but saying she looks like a man is just ignorant.

posted by dusted at 12:16 PM on August 14, 2003

You dislike every female athlete who isn't cheesecake, StarFucker. Without fail, we can always count on at least one sexist remark from you in any discussion related to women's sports. I don't know why you're trying so hard to be a misogynistic dolt, but it's tiresome.

posted by rcade at 12:48 PM on August 14, 2003

Why are you trying so hard to be pretend to be enlightened, free of sexism, an all around sensitive about tiresome. Go drool over musclebound women, i don't give a fuck... rcade, seriously, what is your problem? Isn't Oprah on? Why are you at your comp? Go find out what book Oprah is telling you to read this week, i think its "Man Bad, Woman Good" by Rosie O'Donnell... Who appointed you the protector of women on Sportsfilter? jerseygirl doesn't seem to mind and happens to agree with me... You can have this... I'll take this... Call it cheesecake if you want...i'll have 2 slices. Oh, and don't forget to call me a racist too on account of the pictures i used in this example.

posted by StarFucker at 01:08 PM on August 14, 2003

Is that FloJo & Dennis Rodman? There is a pre-tattooed resemblance, imho. (btw, imho, though incredibly useful, is missing one vital vowel in order to be transformed into one of the best typos ever.) Cheesecake is definitely where its at.

posted by garfield at 01:19 PM on August 14, 2003

I'm just not a big fan of this stuff... Ok, to me, she looks like a rock formation. Personally, I just don't think its appealing in guys or girls. Impressive, absolutely! Could she kick my ass? Please! She'd toss me around like a ragdoll. But I don't think I'd let her, I'd just fall down and pretend I was dead. I saw some animals on the Discovery Channel do that when a bear was attacking them and it seemed to work pretty good, so that would be my plan should I ever be attacked by a body builder lady. I don't know many guys I know think this is sexy. That's what the thread sort of started out about right? Sex appeal? People dig different things and are attracted to different traits and that's fine. No, actually, it's great. SF likes cheesecake babes, dusted likes his babe with a bit of buff, someone else is going to like a different physique. Fine fine fine. The women in that top picture may be unattractive simply for the makeup and hair. And would someone please tell me that was 1987? For the record, Marion Jones is pretty buff, but she's a far cry from the chick I linked. I think she's pretty & rather feminine as far as hardcore athletes go. She's a runner and her physique is going to be different than a tennis player.

posted by jerseygirl at 01:58 PM on August 14, 2003

How did it go from Marion Jones to those two? Well no shit you prefer Anna K to the Joyners!

posted by dusted at 02:05 PM on August 14, 2003

Who appointed you the protector of women on Sportsfilter? The problem with letting dumbass comments like "Marion 'Man" Jones" pass without comment is that it gives other dolts the idea that SportsFilter is their kind of place. To me, your constant sexism is no better than chiming in to every discussion of black athletes simply to drop an N bomb. The issue isn't what you find attractive -- I think it's already crystal clear:

Marion Jones is not a grotesquely overmuscled bodybuilder who can barely move -- she's one of the fastest women on the planet. Whether you dig her looks or not, deriding a top female athlete by calling her a "man," simply because she is extremely athletic, is lame.

posted by rcade at 02:35 PM on August 14, 2003

where did the levity of this thread go? 'ball-popping' to 'lame'

posted by garfield at 02:43 PM on August 14, 2003

Oh thank you for helping us all out, rcade...overlord of Sportsfilter.... Ye be comments on this holy blog, will go unnoticed... The lamest thing around is you rcade....Marion Jones looks like a man...take a closer look. Why don't you shove your rightesnous up your are a serious asshole. You came on here flying with insults every fucking time i made a comment clarifying my opinion without insulting you in return. So go fuck yourself now, because i've had enough of your holier than thou bullshit.

posted by StarFucker at 03:21 PM on August 14, 2003

vitriolfilter jerseygirl, I don't know many guys I know think this is sexy Well - I'll cop to thinking muscular women are sexy. Even maybe over-muscled ones like bodybuilders. I don't know why I think so, I guess it's because I spend a bit of time in the gym and have seen many attractive women bodybuilders (and yes, they CAN look very feminine and sexy) and I have grown to respect the amount of work they put in and it makes them attractive to me. As far as musclebound women go, Starfucker is certainly not alone in his thinking. Women's Bodybuilding contests are giving way in popularity to Fitness contests, which begun as a response to crticisms of musclebound women who were losing all their traces of feminity.

posted by vito90 at 03:30 PM on August 14, 2003

thanks for the perspective vito, i appreciate it. and I agree about their dedication.

posted by jerseygirl at 03:40 PM on August 14, 2003

I think Marion has a cute smile.

posted by corpse at 03:46 PM on August 14, 2003

I'd say something ... but I'm afraid I'll be labeled as misogynistic/wimp/pussyboy/bitter/angry/righteous/holierthanthou. Or a dolt.

posted by wfrazerjr at 04:10 PM on August 14, 2003

Dammit... Righteousness! Typing when angry makes me spell bad.

posted by StarFucker at 04:13 PM on August 14, 2003

Don't worry wfrazerjr, we'll call you those things anyway. I'm sure it was unintentional, but Flo-Jo is dead, so it kind of sucks to use a picture of her as an example of ugliness.

posted by dusted at 04:16 PM on August 14, 2003

I had no idea she was dead...

posted by StarFucker at 04:21 PM on August 14, 2003

That's what I figured.

posted by dusted at 04:23 PM on August 14, 2003

vitriolfilter I prefer: vitofilter! and this:

posted by worldcup2002 at 04:35 PM on August 14, 2003

StarFooker: Me angry, me spell bad. Raaaaargh!

posted by worldcup2002 at 04:39 PM on August 14, 2003

De gustibus non est disputandem, right folks? Where did this thread start to circle the drain? Where, asks Garfield, did the levity go?Marion "Man" Jones?!? HAHAHHAHAAA!! was a wrong turn. maybe. Could have been a wink-and-an-elbow-the-ribs sort of comment, I suppose, but it didn't play out that way at all. We all have a little hobby horse to ride sometimes. From what I can see, one Starfucker's favorites is making comments about female athletes' sexuality. It's probably fun to ride, for him, but watching him do it is, for me, boring at best. A little like overhearing sophomores scope girls in the cafeteria, it doesn't offer much in the way of real imagination or substance. I'm glad rcade decided to say so when he saw something he didn't like. Sportfilter doesn't have to be a personality-free zone, but I think sexism like StarFucker's makes Sportsfilter less, not more, inviting. It's not like I don't have my own ideas about which women in sport are nice to look at; it's just that I wouldn't dream of discussing it here. Maybe there's a female-athlete-fetish site somewhere that's a better place for that stuff, and maybe StarFucker hangs out there, too, and it's not enough for him. But using Sportsfilter as an outlet for something so marginally connected to sports is sort of selfish. And as I preview this, I see it will follow two pictures that confirm that the thread's not only dead, it's cremated. Oh well.

posted by jason streed at 05:15 PM on August 14, 2003

You make me weep for mankind... No pun intended.

posted by StarFucker at 05:36 PM on August 14, 2003

StarFucker: Your first comment suggested that because I don't think Marion Jones is a man, I might be gay and denying myself "some intense ass loving." I have a little trouble seeing that as "a comment clarifying my opinion without insulting you in return." However, I'll own up to the ugly and personal turn this discussion took. I don't read the soccer posts here, so all I tend to see from you are comments like "all female athletes are lesbians" [1] and "women should spend less time trying to do the same thing as men in the name of equality and start doing what it is they are best at...whatever that is..." [2]. I have an interest in women's sports, and one of the reasons is that it's exciting to watch people like Mia Hamm, Annika Sorenstam and the Williams sisters removing the perception that it isn't feminine to be athletic. I think that attitude is some of the same "keep women in their place" BS that causes so few girls to pursue math and science professions. As a result, I don't have any patience for sports fans who only show interest in female athletes they can objectify sexually, denigrating the rest. To me, that's no better than the way many white sports fans justify their discomfort with the increasingly black NBA by claiming they're all a bunch of "gangstas" today, or the long-held perception that blacks were not cerebral enough to play quarterback in the NFL. Here's what I'd wish of any male sports fan: If you're going to talk about female athletes, stick to enjoying cheesecake shots or -- novel concept -- get to know something about their sports before you talk about them. At least enough to keep yourself from mocking the late Florence Joyner, one of the greatest American Olympians. Anyone who can read her bio and not be awed by her athletic achievements, because she's a woman who didn't fit your personal standards of "hotness," doesn't deserve to call themselves a sports fan.

posted by rcade at 06:25 PM on August 14, 2003

You make me weep for mankind . . ." My work here is done.

posted by jason streed at 06:28 PM on August 14, 2003

Nazi! Hitler! This thread is OVER!

posted by wfrazerjr at 06:28 PM on August 14, 2003

Hey. We need to all give each other some slack for our idiosyncracies, OK? This is just a bulletin board about sports, OK? Forget that, and we risk becoming this. (My god, that was a classic thread.)

posted by worldcup2002 at 07:05 PM on August 14, 2003

What I meant to post was THIS!. (Or you can just scroll back up after clicking the link in my previous comment.)

posted by worldcup2002 at 07:07 PM on August 14, 2003

So, that's where all the fun went!

posted by worldcup2002 at 07:12 PM on August 14, 2003

According to the article that started this thread: 1: Anna's rank among the world's sexy women, according to a 2002 poll by FHM magazine. She posed for the issue's cover. dales15 doesn't think she is hot... dusted says Marion Jones is hotter... I say she resembles a man... What follows: ...excuse me while I drop-kick StarFucker ...female athlete who is more manly than you. ...figure out why muscles on a woman scares you Strong women too intimidating for your fragile ego ignorant... sexist... misogynistic dolt... tiresome... dumbass... lame... And i LOVE that i brought up calling me racist before the "enlightened" were able to use it as a way of trying to prove something, but failing miserably. No matter how absurd the connection was...thats fucking hilarious! rcade: Women are great athletes... StarFucker: Well, I prefer watching men play... rcade, jason streed: You fucking Nazi! You people need to fucking lighten up...

posted by StarFucker at 09:39 PM on August 14, 2003

Well, I could see taking offense to the man comment if we were discussing their athletic achievements or sport, but the point of the thread was to talk about the attractiveness of the athletes, which means I didn't mind the man comment. Of course I've compared other female athletes to men on this board too and taken some heat for it, but I can remove myself from that and look objectively :) This was the first fight I've ever seen on SF... I don't think Marion is nearly as mannish as the Joyners, as mean as that may be to say. That picture is unflattering, really... most in-action runner shots are. I find lacrosse women to be of an ideal physique - some muscularity but not enough to be considered unfeminine by anyone... a nice mix, in my opinion. Some of those fitness people and certainly the bodybuilders take it a bit far though, I think.

posted by Bernreuther at 11:02 PM on August 14, 2003

oops, I was thinking of another picture entirely. In any event, any references made by me to "mannish" refers more to facial features than muscularity anyway. And while Marion ain't my cup of tea I don't find her face mannish.

posted by Bernreuther at 11:04 PM on August 14, 2003

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

posted by kloeprich at 11:19 PM on August 14, 2003

rcade, I think this was a great response. Well thought out and level headed compared to StarFucker's screeching. StarFucker, maybe people think that bashing female athletes isn't something that should be "lightened up" about. rcade is right, you repeatedly say demeaning things about women athletes, and it's tiresome and you need to be called on it. Obviously it won't make you change, but he's right to not let those types of things be said with impunity. Good for rcade.

posted by aacheson at 12:42 PM on August 15, 2003

Well, I need to say something here. This thread was not 'serious' from the start, unless one considers interesting Anna facts a serious topic for debate. For example: Personally, her #1 ranking on FHM's list was complete bs. The initial confusion rests upon differing definitions of the casual term 'hotter'. Dusted includes smart and successful, while StarFucker is thinking purely along the lines of physical beauty. A joke is made to the relatively unfeminine physique of Marion Jones in comparison to Anna, and then exaggerated with 'rock formations.' (I loved that line.) Then it seems a pent up frustration with SF manifested itself through rcade. Ensuing sling fest. I'd just like to point out that many people are bashed and ridiculed on a daily basis around these parts. Thats part of the charm to being a fan. Sure, its a little more un-PC to slight female athletes, but SF wasn't criticizing their ability, just their sex appeal and wasn't even going on and on about it (basically just 5 words people!), but the criticisms were flying fast and furious. This thread just turned out to be a witch hunt. Or maybe a warlock hunt, just to be PC.....wouldn't want to offend.

posted by garfield at 01:07 PM on August 15, 2003

People have their heads so far up their PC asses its fucking sad... Thanks for being the only sane one around garfield... That was exactly what i have been saying in every post...this was a thread about LOOKS! NOT ABILITY! If it was, i obviously would have mentioned that Anna SUCKS at tennis...

posted by StarFucker at 01:25 PM on August 15, 2003

What did I start???

posted by dales15 at 10:31 AM on August 17, 2003

For a guy who claims to be an expert on manliness, StarFucker, you sure cry a lot.

posted by rcade at 01:35 PM on August 17, 2003

She is hot, but there are alot of models/singers/actresses that are alot better. Hell, just go to any college campus and you'll find better looking women. Anna's good looking and has a nice body. But if she weren't playing tennis (and I use the word playing loosely here), and led a normal life, she'd just be a hot coed in your algebra class. Just show's our obsession with the famous. To me, that's no better than the way many white sports fans justify their discomfort with the increasingly black NBA by claiming they're all a bunch of "gangstas" today, or the long-held perception that blacks were not cerebral enough to play quarterback in the NFL. True, but that goes both ways, and I don't think the issue is as black and white as one might think (no pun intended). African american interest in the PGA has increased since Tiger entered the picture. Baseball has openly talked about a lack of african american viewers being a result of fewer black baseball players. Yes, it can be taken to a racist level, but wanting to see someone you can relate to is human nature and crosses racial barriers.

posted by justgary at 08:50 PM on August 20, 2003

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