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July 22, 2011
Former NFL Player Accused of Molesting Coach's Daughter: Former Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Nate Webster has been arrested for allegedly having sex with the 15-year-old daughter of a Bengals assistant coach and threatening to kill her and her family if she told anyone. Webster played nine NFL seasons, also for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Denver Broncos. "It was two years of this violent abuse," prosecutor Megan Shanahan said. "She was tired of being robbed of her youth."
So, you're okay with 33 year old football players using guns and threats to coerce 15 year old's into having sex with them? I'm not. He was clearly in a position of power over the girl, and yes, 15 year old's can not consent.
From another article: Deters said Webster was only indicted on charges when the girl was 15.
"There could have been a mountain of charges otherwise," said Deters, who said Webster is the father of seven children from four women. "There is overwhelming evidence of his guilt."
posted by dviking at 05:32 PM on July 22, 2011
Leaving aside the fact that she couldn't consent legally, what reason do you have to suspect that it was consensual? It wasn't discovered. She told her father when he took a job in another city and she was less afraid of Webster because he wasn't around.
posted by rcade at 05:53 PM on July 22, 2011
Gotta love the culture the Bengals have developed. What a bunch of messed up creatures. Every year we wait around to find out if any Bengal player, either current or from a few years back, can top the bullshit others have been involved in.
posted by dyams at 06:01 PM on July 22, 2011
uh, it doesn't sound consensual buddy. Read it again.
posted by insomnyuk at 07:35 PM on July 22, 2011
Every year we wait around to find out if any Bengal player, either current or from a few years back, can top the bullshit others have been involved in.
I can't protest against this too vehemently, in light of this story and Cedric Benson's recent run ins. I would, however, like to point out that it isn't just the Bengals; it is the NFL as a whole of late. I think you'll find plenty of players from other teams doing their part to sink to the level of the bar that the Bengals admittedly are setting.
posted by tahoemoj at 08:33 PM on July 22, 2011
If you're an NFL player and you're having sex with 15 year old girls, I'm pretty sure it's because you're a creepy fuck - because you must have other options. It's not the backwoods, Gomer.
Hey, apropos of nothing, how old do you think the Snorg Tees girl is? At LEAST 17, younowhatimsayin? HeyOOOOOO.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:38 PM on July 22, 2011
Re: why the Bengals have so many criminals. Slate argues it's a Moneyball strategy. Not sure I entirely believe that, but that's there thought.
posted by Bonkers at 10:17 PM on July 22, 2011
Er... "their", not "there"
posted by Bonkers at 10:35 PM on July 22, 2011
The snorg tees girl is 20, and while she is going to college, I'm hoping she isn't majoring in business as she makes some horrible business decisions.
she said that she was not paid in money but was allowed to take as many shirts as she wanted.
How many flippin' T-shirts did she take before she realized that perhaps she didn't get the best of that deal?
posted by dviking at 10:36 PM on July 22, 2011
Gotta love the culture the Bengals have developed. What a bunch of messed up creatures. Every year we wait around to find out if any Bengal player, either current or from a few years back, can top the bullshit others have been involved in.
He played for Tampa Bay and Denver longer than he played for the Bengals. Just sayin'
her parents to claim that she was forced/coerced/threatened/etc, because good girls, and Daddy's Little Princess, would never do this willingly.
Uh, whoa, dude. I have a daughter who'll be fifteen in October. Really? I'm speechless that you would assume that it was consensual and then insinuate that the father is so ignorant to think that , daddy's little princess could never have been just having a ball screwing some 33 year old.
You've got a sick view of young girls my friend. So, no. I don't know what you mean.
posted by tselson at 11:45 PM on July 22, 2011
The snorg tees girl is 20 ...
There's a bunch of Snorg tees women at this point and even some Snorg men.
posted by rcade at 10:29 AM on July 23, 2011
Snorg men I can understand, but why more women??? especially, with the deal they had with the original girl?
posted by dviking at 12:58 PM on July 23, 2011
Oh Prince Hal, you done it again!
posted by yerfatma at 06:18 PM on July 23, 2011
It's perfectly valid to ask why this could have gone on for two years; a 15-year-old is not so brain dead as to not tell her dad or someone else when it was safe to do so- and the whole "he threatened to kill the whole family!" is something a 6-year-old victim would believe, not a 15-year-old in the internet age.
posted by hincandenza at 02:38 PM on July 24, 2011
All 15-year-olds are not alike. Some are sheltered, naive and innocent, others are experienced, jaded and world-wise. I think it's completely ridiculous to assume that every 15-year-old girl would scoff at the threat to kill her family if she reported her molestation.
Unless you know people molested as children, which sadly I do, you have no idea how easy it is for these monsters to get their victims to stay quiet. None.
posted by rcade at 04:18 PM on July 24, 2011
Dude, this girl was raped repeatedly over two years at gun point. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? She was the daughter of an assistant coach, not some skank.
Realize that while this was going on, Webster and her "Dad" were friends. Nate for two years looked that man in the eye while he was raping his daughter. Does that not clue you into the kind of sick monster we're dealing with here?
@hincandenza You're basing this "blame the victim" mentality on what? You can go read the allegations and know that he is not being accused of consensual sex with a minor, which is still illegal.
Also, with this girl being the daughter of a Bengals assistant... It's not hard to figure out who the victim is. (Hmmm, ex Bengals assistant that just got a new job this year and has a 17 year old daughter....) So, you have the fact that if these were specious allegations, it would be very damaging to the accuser.
posted by LostInDaJungle at 01:59 PM on July 25, 2011
She was the daughter of an assistant coach, not some skank.
Not to belabor the point, but it shouldn't matter either way.
posted by yerfatma at 03:10 PM on July 25, 2011
It's perfectly valid to ask why this could have gone on for two years; a 15-year-old is not so brain dead as to not tell her dad or someone else when it was safe to do so
I guess it depends what you mean by "valid". If "valid" means "I can't imagine a reason why," then would it change your mind if someone could explain what some of the possible reasons are? One of the most successful tactic of abusers is isolating the victim, or taking advantage of existing isolation. There are a lot of kids who go through horrible things that they never tell their parents about, because they believe for various reasons that they can't, that doing so will make the situation worse. It doesn't matter if they're right about that or not -- it is what they believe.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 04:14 PM on July 25, 2011
@yerfatma The point being that the person on the other end of this allegation has something to lose. It's something you don't want to make public even if it is true... Therefore, there is a higher probability that these charges have substance.
For better or for worse, the character of the accuser is a part of every allegation. I guess if you want to get technical, Webster is innocent until proven guilty as well. You can be sure that the character of the accuser will be brought up repeatedly in court.
Sorry if I'm being non-PC, but when stuff like this comes up it matters to me if the allegations are being made by someone respectable or by a hood rat fishing for fame. Why "shoudn't" it matter?
And not to beat this point into the ground, but NFL assistants work 100 hours a week, and live and die by their players. I'm guessing that Dad wasn't easy to talk to... And in most cases of sexual abuse, the children believe that their parents won't believe them over the abusing adult. I can't even begin to fathom what this must be like for the dad in question.
"Another study found that in most cases when children did disclose abuse, the person they talked to did not respond effectively, blamed or rejected the child, and took little or no action to stop the abuse."
So, even when the kids DO speak up, parents are generally ineffective. Studies also estimate that %40 of abused children NEVER report their abuse.
"Estimates suggest that only 3% of all cases of child sexual abuse (Finkelhor & Dziuba-Leatherman, 1994; Timnick, 1985) and only 12% of rapes involving children are ever reported to police (Hanson et al., 1999). A nationally representative survey of over 3,000 women revealed that of those raped during childhood, 47% did not disclose to anyone for over 5 years post-rape."
"In everyday life, most people assign victims too much blame for their assaults and offenders too little. In truth, it is hard for most people to imagine how any person could sexually abuse a child. Because they can't imagine a "normal" person doing such a heinous act, they assume that child molesters must be monsters. If the accused does not fit this stereotype (in other words if he appears to be a normal person), then many people will disbelieve the allegation, believing the accused to be incapable of such act."
I hope that answers the question. For more: http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/csa_myths.html
posted by LostInDaJungle at 04:09 PM on July 26, 2011
I'm wary of phrasings like this:
I'm not excusing him, but I suspect it was a consensual (and I know some people will claim a 15-year-old can't "consent", but you know what i mean) relationship that became "non-consensual" when it was discovered.There's likely a lot of pressure being placed on the girl by prosecutors and even her parents to claim that she was forced/coerced/threatened/etc, because good girls, and Daddy's Little Princess, would never do this willingly.