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July 14, 2006
Fights so bad...: ...they barely deserve mentioning. Shamrock and Ortiz fight stopped way too early, and Sylvia and Arlovski decided kissing is more fun than fighting. Anybody asking for a refund?
Whew. I was going to buy this - I'm glad I didn't. I'd like to see Ortiz get in there with someone not in their forties and see how he fares. As much as I think Shamrock is a legend, he's also clearly a bit of a doofus who is the last to know what everyone else already does - he can't beat anyone of note anymore. But Ortiz has made a career out of beating on this guy. I think he needs to step up and take on an Arlovski, or someone similar. I think Ortiz is overdue for a creaming... ... That sounds much more homoerotic than I intended - but then again, I do enjoy watching two sculpted men in their athletic undies roll on the floor together. You know, if the shoe fits and all..
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:39 PM on July 14, 2006
One good shot aside, Ortiz killed Shamrock four years ago. I was lost as to how this was going to be any different.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 12:48 PM on July 14, 2006
Wasn't Shamrock in the WWE a while back? That's probably the last imte I have seen him fight. But, it looks like he has lost a few steps since then.
posted by redsoxrgay at 01:04 PM on July 14, 2006
Yes, that is the very same Ken Shamrock. He's still tough, but now that he is past the 40-yr mark, he is definitely on the downhill side.
posted by rosey8810 at 01:25 PM on July 14, 2006
Shamrock vs Ortiz was a bad fight but the Arlovski vs Sylvia fight was painfully slow. Arlovski could have one it if he had stuck with the leg kicks he threw in the first, makes me wonder what his corner was telling him. Weedy, Arlovski and Ortiz are in different weight classes.
posted by tron7 at 01:43 PM on July 14, 2006
"Frank Mir looked pretty good, though." sure, if he were a center in the nfl. it's been a while since the main event(s) lived up to it's billing. to defend arlovski for a moment, he stopped throwing the leg kicks and advancing forward because of torn ligaments in his knee. as far as the stoppage in the ortiz/shamrock fight, there are so many people that view mma as human cockfighting that the first time a fighter is seriously injured in the ring, the UFC will be shut down. that's why the refs tend to be cautious-overly cautious in some cases. even though it was a bit anti-climactic, i though it was a good stoppage because tito hit ken with 5 solid unanswered elbows. he even had time to stop, reset, a load up on te second one.
posted by ksb122 at 02:12 PM on July 14, 2006
correction: i saw on another board that arlovski was scheduled to have an MRI on his left knee/ankle for damage sustained by one of sylvia's kicks. not sure of the validity of this but it would sure explain WHY arlovski stopped pressing the action toward the end of the fight.
posted by ksb122 at 02:32 PM on July 14, 2006
I thought Mir looked slow and out-of-shape. I was looking forward to seeing him fight, but I was disappointed. I'd like to see Brandon Vera get a shot at Sylvia. He would try to take Sylvia down to the ground. I don't think he would want to stand with Sylvia. I heard Hughes might fight St. Pierre in September. Anybody hear that rumor?
posted by Desert Dog at 04:23 PM on July 14, 2006
Shamrock was in WWF (before the name change) and left about 5 years ago I think! Had heard this fight was especially awful, along with the rest of the show.
posted by Drood at 04:50 PM on July 14, 2006
UFC 61 sucked. But Tito still is an ass kicker and I can't wait to see Wanderlei Silva beat up on Chuck Liddell.
posted by ggermanctl@sbcglobal at 05:31 PM on July 14, 2006
I think Ortiz is overdue for a creaming... You need to see if you can find the Chuck Lidell fight from UFC 47 (I think). He got one. Tito still is an ass kicker How so? He hasn't beaten anybody with a name in 4-5 years, other than Shamrock (who as we know is well past the sell by date). Randy beat him, Liddell crushed him and he barely eeked out split decisions against Cote and Forrest Griffin. I didn't see the Cote fight but his name got him the Griffin decision, IMO. But OP is correct, overall UFC 61 was disappointing, but we knew it would be. All of the good fights are any weight but heavyweight and only Ken Shamrock was in doubt about who would win the rematch. On the plus side the rebirth of the lightweight class has some promise to it. Those are usually entertaining fights.
posted by pivo at 06:17 PM on July 14, 2006
The Oritz fight is up on YouTube now, for anyone with a whopping 90 seconds to spare.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 06:41 PM on July 14, 2006
Tito is back! He would beat Chuck if they were to fight in the near future. But instead Silva will beat Chuck in the near future. And maybe on the same card we could see Fedor shut that mouth of Tim Sylvia's.
posted by ggermanctl@sbcglobal at 06:46 PM on July 14, 2006
im a MMA fighter, and honestly thought the fights were great...the last fight was unbelievable slow, but thats what happens when you have two fighters that respect each others powers. How the hell was Tim Sylvia going to lose that fight with two world champions in his corner....(Rich Franklin, Matt Hughes) DESERT DOG Matt hughes is fighting George Rush St. Pierre i just forget what the date is.....And Lidell isnt going to fight Silva, he cant get passed Bobaloo
posted by s_faehr at 08:06 AM on July 15, 2006
You could be right about Babalu. He's kicking a$$ right now.
posted by ggermanctl@sbcglobal at 11:30 AM on July 15, 2006
as far as the stoppage in the ortiz/shamrock fight, there are so many people that view mma as human cockfighting that the first time a fighter is seriously injured in the ring, the UFC will be shut down. Shut down by whom??? That was not a well thought out statement. Babalu is nice, but I'm not sure he is Chuck Liddel nice. Chuck is a great great fighter, and a challenger is going to have to be ready... no one thought the he could beat Randy, and that was precisely what he did. As far as Silva... I'm not so sure about that either. I'd Like to see a rematch with Rampage, but Dana is so slow with organizing shit like that, that I can't imagine we'll ever see it.
posted by everett at 05:32 PM on July 15, 2006
everett-there are plenty of people in congress (john mccain leading the charge) that view the UFC, and MMA in general, as a brutal sort of human cock-fighting. given the first opportunity, they would push hard to shut it down. the only reason the fights are being sanctioned in more states now is because there hasn't been a catastrophic injury/death as a result of an MMA fight. that is why the ref's keep a close eye on the action and stop the fights when one fighter "can no longer intelligently defend himself". sometimes it results in what could be viewed as a premature stoppage. my statment was "thought out" fine, it just wasn't explained in enough detail to someone who is clearly a casual MMA fan.
posted by ksb122 at 10:57 AM on July 16, 2006
ok... so... As far as me being a casual MMA fan, I don't know what rubric you are using to evaluate so I wont presume that I know more about MMA than you or anyone else, but I feel like I am more than just a "casual fan." Thanks for caring. As far as John McCain's legislation towards MMA goes, maybe if you were more than a "casual fan" of federal legislation, you might realize that fairly serious injuries are not unheard of in MMA, and it would take more than three or four legislators to "shut it down." That is simply a ridiculous thought. Now if you had suggested that at some point MMA might find itself under federal regulation because of accidents, then you might have some arguing room, but to "shut it down" would be next to impossible. You simply can't tell consenting adults not to fight or box in a controlled environment, and if you could find even one sustained example of it in US legislative history I would be dumbfounded.
posted by everett at 12:32 AM on July 17, 2006
UFC 61 Damn, another broken irony meter. (If it's so damned ultimate, why the hell hasn't it stopped by now? Have mercy, think of the children...)
posted by lil_brown_bat at 07:10 AM on July 17, 2006
I think both sets of fighters killed any interest there might be in a rematch as well. I'm a big fan of sportsmanship, but Arlovski and Sylvia touching gloves and respecting each other at the beginning AND end of every round was a bit much. Neither guy showed any fight or aggression. I have zero interest in seeing a rematch with them anymore. Frank Mir looked pretty good, though.