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November 23, 2005
Delgado to Mets.: Fire sale continues. So much for being closer to home.
posted by DrJohnEvans to baseball at 08:46 AM - 25 comments
I meant chewing gum. Whooops!
posted by HATER 187 at 09:46 AM on November 23, 2005
But with wright, reyes, and beltran they have 3 young stars(they still have beltran right?).
posted by tron7 at 09:47 AM on November 23, 2005
Mo Vaughn with an accent...
posted by ajaffe at 10:03 AM on November 23, 2005
The funny thing about the fire sale is the Marlins have to pay 7 mil of Delgado's contract over the next 3 years. It's only 7 mil but still funny. This is why you don't sign guys to disgusting contracts and deferred this and that's because you'll get stuck paying the tab in the end
posted by timdawg at 10:12 AM on November 23, 2005
- 80 lbs(ajaffe comment)
posted by tron7 at 10:13 AM on November 23, 2005
Picking up Delgado was brilliant for the Marlins. They only paid him $4 million last season, and the extra $7 million will be deferred over the next two or three years, so they actually got him for $11 million over 3-4 years for a NPV of his 2005 season of around, say $8.5 million. They balanced the chance of one shot at a playoff appearance with a player at a deep discount against the risk of him underperforming and not being able to deal him. I wouldn't say this is part of the fire sale, but their intention from the beginning. Rent him for a season and then dump him. Why else would they have structured his contract that way? Maybe this was the deal with the Mets and Delgado all along?
posted by loquax at 10:29 AM on November 23, 2005
Delgado on the decline? Mo Vaughan? You guys are fucked. He was third in the NL in OPS (only Lee and Pujols ahead), third in slugging, fifth in RBIs and played half his games at Pro-Player - a decided pitcher's park. The guy is as consistent as they get. Truly underrated. He'll go for 35-40 HRs and 120-130 RBI and give Wright some serious protection. The Mets have so much money this season and don't pay the luxury tax; I mean this is a damn steal. Delgado is 34 and has a lot left in the tank. He'll probably finish his career with 500+ homers and 1700 RBI with a career OPS over .950. That's borderline HoF shit right there. Mets middle line-up: Beltran, Wright, Delgado, Floyd (2,3,4,5). That's pretty fucking good.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 10:29 AM on November 23, 2005
Yeah, I don't see the Mo Vaughn comparison. I'd say Delgado is on the decline, but it's a pretty steep hill and he's near the top of it. OTOH, I would not base my hopes on anything involving the words "Cliff Floyd".
posted by yerfatma at 10:35 AM on November 23, 2005
McSmokey got a soft spot for the former Blue Jays. I just think Queens is the place ball players go to die. Floridia picking up the 7 mil will surley take some of the sting out when Delgado flops.
posted by HATER 187 at 10:37 AM on November 23, 2005
Beltre and Delgado will be such a good tag team on the Mets. I still think that the Marlins should keep him but a reconstruction is getting rid of your old and most expencive players. Why would the Marlins do this they were good last year?
posted by NickNoodle at 11:00 AM on November 23, 2005
I don't see the comparison either, I was just noting he is substantially less obese than Mo.
posted by tron7 at 11:04 AM on November 23, 2005
I'm a Mets fan (the least of my troubles), and what I was referring to is the propensity of many big hitters the Mets acquire to decline quickly upon their arrival in Flushing. I'm hoping I'm wrong this time... and not to derail, but happy Thanksgiving all! I'll be in the office for much of it, but football starts at 1 and I have a TV on my desk...
posted by ajaffe at 11:15 AM on November 23, 2005
Floyd was great this year.
posted by garfield at 11:35 AM on November 23, 2005
Degaldo is a prince! A prince! How DARE you sully the man with your senseless ravings! He, whose boots you are not worthy to kiss! A man of integrity, and involvement - may the haters die of miserable boily infections! Gee, do ya think he stands for God Bless America now? I hate that song.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:22 PM on November 23, 2005
This Delgado trade is just another terrible mistake for the Mets.
posted by sonomajoe at 02:17 PM on November 23, 2005
POOR JOE GIRARDI is fucked. Is he "Green Joe" Girardi, the novice manager, or "Rebuilding Old and Wise" Joe Girardi, the astonishing club rebuilder? He's "Green Joe". The Darlin Marlins set him up for failure. Do you think Loria said, "OK, Joe, Were bringing you in. Then were going to stick it up your ass and trade Delgado, Pierre, Lowell, Beckett, Burnett and LoDuca, and maybe a few others." "What Joe?" "Why?" "What do you mean why?" "You figure it out". "You sat next to Torre Won Kenobi!" Suddenly Tampa Bay drifts across Joe's mind......
posted by OldSchoolBall at 04:08 PM on November 23, 2005
Say! Can you guys opine with some words that my wife (Who is a sports fan) can read to our grand daughter. I am sure that if your mother read what you wrote you would have to pick up your meals at a drive-through. Please respect the English language and show some CLASS.
posted by Joe Veltri at 07:39 PM on November 23, 2005
The Mets problem is that they go after the best players every year, and usually fail. Now the last two seasons, they've picked up the big-ticket player they've wanted, and are still getting made fun of. I think that Delgado is a good pickup for any team, and is good on both sides of the ball. Not to mention, the Mets have other talent offensively, and have speed with Reyes and Matsui, power with Floyd, Beltran and Delgado- and are trying to pick up a solid closer. The Mets lineup will be better all around with a player of Delgados caliber, even though his stats may decline this season. (Shea stadium sucks for power hitters) But he will open up more holes in their lineup- and btw, what about Manny?!? If they Manny, they would have the best offensive outfield in baseball. This team is going places- but they better get there quickly with all of their aging stars. Anyway, good pickup by the Mets. = )
posted by redsoxrgay at 08:13 PM on November 23, 2005
Carlos Delgado...a good pickup? Hmm, ya think. Carlos Delgado has been one of the most consistent sluggers in all of baseball for a decade, if he had played his games with Boston, Yankees or Dodgers, you can bet he would have been a regular on Letterman and Leno and would have been a prohibitive All Star selection from the fans every season. Sadly, all we have to rate him are his batting stats, which for the most part of his career have been stellar. Aside from Weedy, who knows a good thing when he sees it, the rest of you guys are seriously underrating Delgado, he is a HUGE pickup.
posted by the red terror at 10:01 AM on November 24, 2005
I'm hoping you're right... Meanwhile, no one has made the connection between Delgado and the guy from "Major League" who conducted voodoo ceremonies for his bat...
posted by ajaffe at 10:42 AM on November 24, 2005
ajaffe - Most of the hitters who have declined once they got to Shea had not been playing in NL pitchers parks. George Foster, Roberto Alomar, Bobby Bonilla, Mo Vaughn etc. declined. Others - Kevin McReynolds (he eventually fell apart, but had several good years), Mike Piazza, etc. did not - they came from San Diego and LA. Delgado didn't have a problem in Florida, and that's a good sign. Delgado is not a good defensive player, but he's no Mo Vaughn either. He's also one of the most widely respected players in the game. The problem he had with the Mets last year is that he felt they treated him like some dumb Carribean player who needed a translator to understand the complicated ways of the baseball world. And he did not appreciate that at all. He doesn't respond to the Omar Minaya touch; he doesn't want to be flattered and wined and dined. He wants to be treated as an equal in a business negotiation. The Mets face one big problem however; if Delgado is unhappy, he can force a trade after the season. But if he has a real good year, his agent can threaten to force a trade in order to blackmail the Mets into extending his contract.
posted by spira at 03:56 PM on November 24, 2005
The Mets are mortgaging their future with these trades, and it won't work.
posted by sonomajoe at 05:54 PM on November 24, 2005
It would be awesome if Carlos returns to the Jays and other teams (marlins, Mets, whoever) pick up half his contract!! O can I dream...?
posted by the red terror at 12:17 PM on November 26, 2005
Gee, do ya think he stands for God Bless America now? Yep "He's not going to put himself before the team. So he's going to have his own political views, which he's going to keep to himself." Yeah, what a great fucking country worthy of God's blessing it is where the modest views and passive action of an individual are so easily suppressed by his employer. It's not Delgado that brought politics to his games. How about MLB and its teams keep their political views to themselves, huh? And until they do, how about allowing players the same political freedom the teams themselves exploit for monetary gain?
posted by cl at 03:18 PM on November 28, 2005
As soon as he puts on that Mets uni he forgets how to play baseball. The Metropolitans are always trying to fill holes with these stars on the decline. They look like a club held together with chewing cum and duct tape.