July 18, 2003

SpoFi Fantasy Baseball League Update. This week's leader (again) is catfish! [complete standings and trash talk inside]

posted by corpse to navel gazing at 08:43 AM - 50 comments

RankTeamSpoFi NamePointsRank +/-Pts +/-Notes
1catfishcatfish178.5---1.5Leads in R, HR, RBI, W, tied for CG
2Rockport Rassafrasswfrazerjr174.5---3.5Leads in IP, K
3Springfield Isotopesjerseygirl169.5--+2.5Leads in AVG
4London Monarchsgrum@work160---1.5Leads in ERA, WHIP
5The Bash BumsBag Man158.5--+4 
6Creative Punch 153.5--+1.5Leads in SV, K/9
8the showjbou125.5+2+5.5 
9Albequerque Isotopesdjacobs125-1-3 
10ATL Crackhouse Gangtrox121.5-1-2.5 
11Pedros PummelersPeteyStock117---2Leads in OPS, K/BB
12Spacemenjasonspaceman94.5----Tied for CG
13Da Hecklerzjmd8287+1+0.5 
1437 Push Upscorpse86-1-2.5 
16The Revs Levitestherev72-1+2 
16JackBootedThugsdjspicerack72--+5.5Leads in SB

posted by corpse at 08:44 AM on July 18, 2003

dammit. one of these fridays, I am going to finish higher than 3rd.

posted by jerseygirl at 10:04 AM on July 18, 2003

This week will be my week. I'm moving up. All the way to 13th I bet. ha!

posted by corpse at 10:57 AM on July 18, 2003

Where are the Dangling Tits?

posted by billsaysthis at 01:02 PM on July 18, 2003

can people still join?

posted by chaz at 01:19 PM on July 18, 2003

OK checking it out, I see that reg. is closed. If anyone wants to drop out, though, drop me an email and I'll take over your team!

posted by chaz at 01:20 PM on July 18, 2003

No Chaz. We started back in March. Maybe next year!

posted by jerseygirl at 01:21 PM on July 18, 2003

The Dangling Tits? Is that what they're calling the Mets these days?

posted by wfrazerjr at 02:09 PM on July 18, 2003

Hey, why are you making fun of my Dangling Tits? This is the baseball league, not the MLS fantasy league. But I'm pleased to know that my Dangling Tits are multi-sports celebrities. It takes my Dangling Tits to bridge the gap.

posted by worldcup2002 at 03:04 PM on July 18, 2003

Thank you, Granny Clampett.

posted by wfrazerjr at 05:30 PM on July 18, 2003

Can chaz take over the Thugs? Nice trade jerseygirl. LM sure is sweet on you.

posted by catfish at 06:44 PM on July 18, 2003

thanks. it was a lot to give up, but a good deal all around i thought.

posted by jerseygirl at 11:21 PM on July 18, 2003

a lot to give up? a solid set up guy , rookie sp, crap 3b, an outfielder who won't play & 1 player having a good year in Bradley. You got probable AL cy young, top AL reliever & solid 3b. yeah you got a good deal. it will be tough to hold you & rass off. I need a bat in the OF. wolf,chacon,biddle available - make an offer.

posted by catfish at 01:22 AM on July 19, 2003

I had a good night: OF Sheffield, Gary (RF-Atl) NYM Final 5/5 4 2 4 0 1.000 3.200 Util Hidalgo, Richard (RF-Hou) @Cin Final 4/4 2 2 2 0 1.000 3.500

posted by corpse at 09:29 AM on July 19, 2003

Except for Santana pitched great but couldn't pick up the win.

posted by corpse at 09:34 AM on July 19, 2003

Kielty is going to get a lot of playing time actually, probably at all 3 spots. He also went 3-4 against my beloved Red Sox Thursday night with a HR and an RBI. I'm happy with the deal, believe me. Just a big package deal and I do have some spots to fill in. Wish I had Halladay Thursday night, though! :)

posted by jerseygirl at 10:08 AM on July 19, 2003

all 3 outfield spots. ahem, just woke up.

posted by jerseygirl at 10:08 AM on July 19, 2003

I understood the spots, jgirl ... I just wish you would have taken my lousy deal instead. :P

posted by wfrazerjr at 10:15 AM on July 19, 2003

catfish, are you trying to say the trade is too one sided, I was thinking the same thing, but it's up to you all to vote yes or no on the trade. IMHO jersey is getting over on you all because she's a charmer.

posted by jbou at 01:30 PM on July 19, 2003

Give it a fucking break. Really.

posted by jerseygirl at 01:34 PM on July 19, 2003

I'm not giving it a fucking break, the trade is way too one sided, and I might just veto it.

posted by jbou at 01:38 PM on July 19, 2003

jersey, the trade does nothing to help Monarch, but it gives you one of the best if not best pitcher, and one of the top 5 rp in baseball, it's a robbery if I ever saw one. The players you are giving up are crap, and you know it.

posted by jbou at 01:41 PM on July 19, 2003

Grum is way to smart to have a one sided trade with Jersey, I'm sure he knows what he is doing. The trade should go through. If you are dropping places and you feel you aren't gaining any ground, you've got to take some chances.

posted by corpse at 01:48 PM on July 19, 2003

the trade makes no sense for Monarch, the players he's picking up won't help him, but jersey is going to make out like a bandit. if anyone can convince me that the trade is even close to being fair I'll listen, but i'm seriously considering using the veto, and they can work out a fairer trade.

posted by jbou at 01:54 PM on July 19, 2003

Anyone have a problem with it and want to make a formal complaint? Not Jbou, he has a problem with EVERYTHING I do. FIRST - I proposed two trades for Halladay, and both got rejected. Then he proposed Halladay and Foulke in a package deal on both sides, mine included Manny. Manny is off the block, and Grum was looking for offense, so I gave up two offensive players. Hinske was injured for the first part of the season and looks good for the second half of the season. Bradley's good for this year, and got snubbed for the ASG. Grum proposed Kielty in one of the initial trades and included Foulke. SECOND - Grum isn't a fool. I'm making a trade with a competative team owner. He's been in and out of the top 3 on a regular basis, so I really doubt he's going to fuck over his team and just hand over his starting pitching to me. THIRD - The rules are that the other owners have to vote against the trade in majority before you can just go in and VETO. That's what everyone agreed on a while ago when you were arbitrarily vetoing things. Don't go changing the rules, again and vetoing to suit your fancy. You really make everyone in the league sound like an idiot, you know that? No one can make a competant decision in your eyes, especially when it comes to anything I am involved in. Perhaps you'd like to explain just how I am coercing all these people into making these "unfair" trades. You have given me nothing but a hard time ALL SEASON LONG and I am really really tired of it. I thought it was just me, but other people have had problems with you, too.

posted by jerseygirl at 02:00 PM on July 19, 2003

I think that we should push for a new commish next year, this is ridiculous. I'm not even joining the football pool for the sole reason that jbou is the commisioner and we've seen how that affects a league. This is getting really, really old. If you don't like the trade, vote against it, but stop threatening to veto trades you don't like. I'd also like to point out that grum is doing better than you are, jbou, so I really question your ability to look down on grum's decision making, just as it would be ridiculous for me to tell you that your decision making skills are wrong. So lay off, jbou. It's not your decision to make.

posted by therev at 02:08 PM on July 19, 2003

IMHO jersey is getting over on you all because she's a charmer. I really, really hope that comment wasn't gender based, I really do.

posted by therev at 02:23 PM on July 19, 2003

I was just blowin steam. No trade should be vetoed unless it's obvious collusion - and this ain't.

posted by catfish at 02:33 PM on July 19, 2003

jersey, you propose ridiculas trades, you've proposed ridiculas trades to me, I have a real sore spot for people who do that, if you want to trade just propose a fair trade don't try, and get over on people. I haven't vetoed the trade, and after looking it over again I won't. Rev, my team was hurt by injuries, and Konerko's having a bad season, i'll be right back in the mix when Vlad comes off the DL. Also Rev, if you don't like what I do then fine, but don't say the league hasn't been fun, people have traded plenty without me making a peep, I've done nothing to give myself an unfair advantage, and I don't see anyone else rushing to setup fantasy leagues for everyone to participate in.

posted by jbou at 02:36 PM on July 19, 2003

You know, jbou, I'm still trying to figure out why in span of less than a day you went from saying you were through as a fantasy-sports commissioner to becoming one again. What about this experience has made you want to be in charge for a second consecutive season? Having said that, at first blush I thought the trade was ridiculous also. Still kinda do. So what? I think Grum made a lousy deal, but he's not giving up. As for lopsided trades, I don't normally offer what I think are slanted deals. If it works for someone else, fine. Here's the bottom line (again): If there's an outcry, then do something. If not, then worry about your team. This job isn't that tough.

posted by wfrazerjr at 03:00 PM on July 19, 2003

wfrazerjr, I did it because no one else was stepping up and starting the league, and I wanted to get a good live draft time. After looking at the trade again I figured Halladay had his run, he's won 14 straight games and I figure he's bound for a crash, Grum rode the Halladay train, and now he figures it's not going to last, Webb has been the Diamondback's ace while Johnson, and Schilling have been hurt, now he moves to the 3rd starter spot where he'll still thrive pitching against lesser competition. Foulke for Dotel still doesn't make sense, but if Hinske turns out to have a great 2nd half Grum looks like a genius, Mueller, and Bradley cancel each other out, and Kielty is an average player, who knows? Like I said the trade can go through if you all vote ok, I voted ok. The job is not tough at all, it's easy, and fun, I didn't even think about vetoing the trade till I noticed catfish's comment, you also think the trade is lopsided, and I thought the trade was a bit unfair at first glance, so we discussed it, and now it's up to the jury.

posted by jbou at 03:51 PM on July 19, 2003

The first offer is usually thrown out to see if there are any interested nibbles. There's always room for haggling and deal-making after that first offer is thrown out. I didn't think I had to explain this, but there you go. It's a shame if my proposals has caused lacerations around your feelings, sores on your spots and bruising about your ego, jbou. It is noteworthy that this "sore spot" didn't stop you from trading with me on the Gagne/Ichiro-Williams trade... You remember that, right? It's the one you pushed through immediately. Everyone else has to wait the standard 2-3 days for the other teams to view the trade and voice any concerns... but not that trade. Went through immediately! Yeah...no unfair advantages there. I'm glad to know your sore spot is the problem you have with me. I guess it's been your personal feelings that has had you interfering and threatening with just about every trade I've made all year. Here I was thinking it was because I was a girl, a red sox fan and my team was doing well. Rev is completely right. We've had to fight with you all season long. Just when we think you've settled down, you're screaming about unfair trades again and threatening to push the veto button on your own. There will definitely be a new commish next year if my vote means anything.

posted by jerseygirl at 03:51 PM on July 19, 2003

Wow. I sure chose the wrong time to take a day off from the computer. Let me break this trade down for you as I see it: Halladay vs Webb: Have you looked at how good Webb has been? Do you realize that it should have been HIM, not Dontrelle Willis, that got that last spot on the NL All-Star pitching roster? He's got better numbers than Willis, but lacks the "flair" that the media like. And a quick check of raw numbers (ERA, WHIP, K/BB, K/9) shows that Webb has been BETTER than Halladay in three of those four stats. Also, Arizona is on a roll while Toronto might begin selling off more parts if they lose a couple more important games (which translates into less wins). Finally, you don't get points for things they've done in the past. I think Webb has as a chance of winning an equal number of games as Halladay from here on out. Foulke vs Dotel: Saves vs Ks. A quick check shows me that I'm 8 saves back of catfish for the next position, but I'm only 0.07K/9 back of the show for moving up 3 spots in that category (never mind the close race for Ks with catfish). I still have Borowski to pick up saves going to get those saves. Bradley, Hinske, Kielty vs Mueller: I already have a 3B that I'm going to use over Mueller (Blalock). Besides, Mueller has been playing WAY over his head (compared to career numbers) so I thought I better sell while the price is high. Bradley and Kielty add some more hitting to my lackluster squad. I always like trying to pick up players that get their "freedom" from the bench (like Kielty did by going to Toronto). There is a need to produce and it usually happens. As for Hinske, he has come off an injury (hence the terrible 1st half numbers) so if Blalock should falter, I can use him. But for now, he's going to be my Util or a Bench player. Trust me, this is not as terrible a deal as you may think jbou, and I'm not giving up on the year. If I really thought of giving up, I'd just stop looking at the results not make any more transactions. My only regret is giving up Reed Johnson, but I just couldn't drop anyone else from my roster (figuring he'll lose time to Kielty anyways).

posted by grum@work at 03:56 PM on July 19, 2003

jersey, how about you be the commish next year, and if you keep your sniping up I just might veto your trade out of spite. IIRC I stopped one of your trades, and if you would remember correctly I pushed through both trades ours, and someone elses, quickly that day, I was home sick from work, and I was bored. Like I said, I've not used my position to my advantage. jersey, the sox still won't win the world series, I could give a rats ass about your gender, and congradulations on being in third place, leave it to a red sox fan to think third place is a good thing.

posted by jbou at 04:03 PM on July 19, 2003

Like I said the trade can go through if you all vote ok, I voted ok. But that's not what you said. You threatened to veto the trade without anyone else agreeing with you that the trade should be nixed. Example: I'm not giving it a fucking break, the trade is way too one sided, and I might just veto it. posted by jbou at 1:38 PM PST on July 19 That's where I have to problem, jbou. You make these decisions to threaten to veto whichever trades you don't like instead of suggesting that we discuss it. You want another example? - I'm thinking of killing the Bernie for Delgado trade posted by jbou at 5:28 PM PST on April 22 You didn't consult, you threatened. Then, when the community called you on it, you backed off and said that it was up to everyone else. Whether or not you are serious when you threaten to veto is irrelevent; there are a lot better ways to show your displeasure for a trade than playing your commish card; catfish did it well earlier in this thread. I don't see anyone else rushing to setup fantasy leagues for everyone to participate in. I don't think you have to worry about that anymore. Someone will certainly offer now.

posted by therev at 04:37 PM on July 19, 2003

if you keep your sniping up I just might veto your trade out of spite Bravo. Proved me right again!

posted by therev at 04:38 PM on July 19, 2003

hey rev, jersey's tone was what caused me to start the veto talk, I posted this comment catfish, are you trying to say the trade is too one sided, I was thinking the same thing, but it's up to you all to vote yes or no on the trade. and she told me to "give it a fucking rest, really". Telling me not to voice my opinion is no way to convince me to vote for a trade, so I told her I was thinking about vetoing the trade just to piss her off, and it ended up a pissing contest between me and jersey, maybe it was wrong of me, but she does propose dumb trades, and she does try to get over, and doesn't like being called on it.

posted by jbou at 05:02 PM on July 19, 2003

I think I'm backing out of the football league. I can't deal with this shit anymore.

posted by wfrazerjr at 05:06 PM on July 19, 2003

wfrazerjr, i've been the commish in other leagues here at spofi, and this year's baseball is the first time there was a problem. If you'd like I'll turn the commish job over to you then you don't have to worry about me.

posted by jbou at 07:29 PM on July 19, 2003

I opened my mouth, so it's defecate or remove myself from the plumbing apparatus. I'm in. Set it up, jbou, if it's ok with everyone else.

posted by wfrazerjr at 11:07 PM on July 19, 2003

ok, well, I'm not sure what's happened with all this now ... Are Pedro and Spaceman paying attention out there? I have trade offers waiting for them.

posted by wfrazerjr at 03:49 PM on July 21, 2003

Pedro hasn't made a move since july 10 so i'm guessing he dropped out. What are you looking for? I need a stick & will part with any pitcher except hudson.

posted by catfish at 05:10 PM on July 21, 2003

wfrazer, you doing the NFL commish job?

posted by jerseygirl at 05:23 PM on July 21, 2003

by the way, jbou i'm not even bothering with replying. i think you did a pretty good job of burying yourself with your own comments.

posted by jerseygirl at 05:31 PM on July 21, 2003

dude, I ain't trading with the guy in first place! LOL ... I'll take a look. Jgirl, I'm still waiting to find that out. I made the offer and now, nothing. The rest of you bums, get in that league! I want 16 people!

posted by wfrazerjr at 10:46 AM on July 22, 2003

Ok, cool. Let us know how that turns out please? I know there's at least 2 people who won't join unless there's a new commish... which is unfortunate.

posted by jerseygirl at 11:30 AM on July 22, 2003

jerseygirl: you could join the EPL fantasy league. Don't worry about knowing anything about the teams or players or even the sport. You'll probably do better than most of the players. Also we need more feistiness in there. Our gents are too well-mannered. Our trash talk is more like "another lump of sugar with your Darjeeling?" Except when StarFooker and Fat Buddha are going at it of course. Also, we're kind of a slow lot. We need to actually start the league. As soon as yahoo lets us. OK, back to your regular programming.

posted by worldcup2002 at 12:36 PM on July 22, 2003

"I bent my wookie." Oh, yeah, let's see some wfrazerjr action as the commish and I'm in.

posted by therev at 12:40 PM on July 22, 2003

I've also got a Russ Ortiz for someone who wants to part with a good bat.

posted by therev at 12:43 PM on July 22, 2003

Sorry, Rev, but Ortiz doesn't help me. I now have THREE trades out there floating. Man, I need a red phone. I'm looking to deal a starter and a closer + Alex Gonzalez/Eric Young (on a freaking tear right now) for a bonafide shortstop or second baseman. Any thoughts.

posted by wfrazerjr at 01:10 PM on July 22, 2003

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