Recent Comments by dviking

Times Reporter Wishes She Could Boycott Masters

rcade, one "exchange student" at Wellesley for a limited time really doesn't equal being admitted to the college. Would you feel all rosy about Augusta if every April they let one woman be some sort of honorary member for a week? I think not.

lbb, I have a solid grasp on rights/duty/principle and practice. The Augusta National has the right to have a men only policy, no duty to admit women, they are standing on the same principle as Wellesley (and a ton of other clubs, schools, org.s etc), and the practice of this is long standing.

Luckily, since some good old local guy named Bubba (college in Georgia at least) took care of business today, we can put this back on the shelf for another 50 some weeks. I look forward to hearing your complaints about Augusta's male only membership rules next April.

If, in the meantime, Augusta caves, and admits a token female, will that really change anything? Won't it still be a bunch of old rich guys that now have to ignore a woman other than their wives?

posted by dviking at 11:36 PM on April 08, 2012

Times Reporter Wishes She Could Boycott Masters

rcade, you wrote: in a country that advances the ideal of equal opportunity, this event is contrary to that principle.

My comments are directly related to that. The idea of America as the land of opportunity in no way should be taken to mean that everyone can get into whatever club they want. I stand by that point 100%. If you don't want me to address your points, don't list them.

BTW, it's not host to major public event. It's host to a major PGA event, the P does not stand for public.

As to your strawman arguments of racism, shut up. seriously, uncalled for, and a bit childish.

posted by dviking at 08:48 PM on April 08, 2012

Times Reporter Wishes She Could Boycott Masters

Not true of Harvard at all...I was accepted by their graduate program, choose not to due to cost, and the unexpected, but very welcomed pending birth of my daughter. Beyond that, not every one can get into every college. There are indeed male only, and women only, colleges in America, but thanks for bolstering my point. (Wellesley and Morehouse are two that come to mind, plenty of others, some take it step further and require one to be of a certain religion...egads!)

Equal Opportunity? Are you serious? Living in America some how gives you the right to be considered for membership in every private club? That is beyond ridiculous. Living in "the land of opportunity" does not grant you the right to force every other group of people to include you in their world.

Now, if your argument is purely that the PGA should not hold an event at Augusta, fine. It appears that most of the viewing public is pretty much okay with it. Tickets are hard to get, ratings are high.

kokaku, this paragraph from the link makes the case for least to me. " Would the member-only events be different if women took part in them? Obviously, they would. Does that difference make a difference? Only Augusta National's members are in a position to have an opinion on that subject, and their opinion is that it does. No outsider has any basis for declining to take them at their word--just as no outsider has any basis for claiming that the Bridgies would be just as happy playing poker with their husbands. To support the right of those men to engage in such activities with other men--a right supported by the Constitution, by the way--is no more disgusting than it is to support the right of Wellesley College not to go coed"

posted by dviking at 03:05 PM on April 08, 2012

Times Reporter Wishes She Could Boycott Masters

What does your inability to get into the club as an individual have to do with anything?

The point is, that statistically, I can't get in whether I'm a male or not.

There really isn't a propriety issue here, as there are plenty of women's organizations out there. Maybe not private women-only golf clubs (actually there are, see link at the bottom), and certainly not one as prestigious as Augusta, but that alone shouldn't matter. Would be okay to have a male only club if it was a seedy, unnoticed backwater horse shoe playing venue? If that is okay, then we're really just talking about envy. If any club, of any type, is allowed to base their membership on sex, then the argument against Augusta is silly, in my opinion.

There are some courses that get around this by offering women memberships that do not come with full playing rights. That seems like a cop out to me, and if I were a woman I'd take my money elsewhere. Would it really change anything if Augusta let in a token woman, or two? The Bryon Nelson tournament is run by the Dallas Salesmanship Club. It's a bunch of male CEO types, that basically only let new guys in when an old guy dies. But, they don't own the course, so that makes it better?

Women ought to create their own Augusta. Like these women have

Here's a good, if somewhat long, article that I tend to agree with, that covers the need for male only golf clubs.

posted by dviking at 04:02 AM on April 08, 2012

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

Tiger gets rough with his clubs.

Though, I do think Nick Faldo was a bit over the top with this. The tantrum received plenty of attention at Augusta National, and it prompted CBS Sports analyst Nick Faldo to say that Woods had "lost his game ... and lost his mind."

posted by dviking at 03:46 PM on April 07, 2012

Times Reporter Wishes She Could Boycott Masters

But that is actually the case.

But, that's the point, you and I can't get in. Well, for sure I can't. Don't have nearly the amount of money needed, and most certainly don't have a member that is going to nominate me for membership.

It's an exclusive, private club. I have no problem with that. I have no problem with Curves, or any other club that wants to be very exclusive in their membership. This comes up each year, and each year it goes away exactly one day after the event ends, this year will be no different.

posted by dviking at 03:41 PM on April 07, 2012

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

That was a good opening day for the Rangers. This Twins fan found it hard to watch Nathan close that game out in solid form.

posted by dviking at 12:11 AM on April 07, 2012

Times Reporter Wishes She Could Boycott Masters

Blue Elephant? Not familiar with that metaphor. White elephants...but, that's not the right color either. If anything it should be a green elephant in the room. This is The Masters after all.

I'm absolutely fine with those guys having their club membership whatever the heck they want it to. Their club, their rules. Karen Crouse, and both Romney and Obama can just go place Pebble Beach for all I care.

posted by dviking at 12:05 AM on April 07, 2012

Kentucky Makes It Eight

Funny thing is, in one of the two pools that would have been worth something to win I had Kansas and Kentucky meeting in the finals, but had Kansas winning. Hedged my bets the wrong way!

posted by dviking at 06:56 PM on April 03, 2012

Kentucky Makes It Eight

cixelsyd called the final game score point differential in the previous thread.

I was a point off of Kentucky's score three weeks out. But, I do acknowledge that he called that game pretty well.

posted by dviking at 02:04 AM on April 03, 2012

Kentucky Makes It Eight

And, I wonder why I didn't play this bracket in one of the pools that I paid money to enter.

I guess Spofi bragging rights are worth something.

posted by dviking at 12:29 AM on April 03, 2012

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

tommy, that anthem was awful.

Caught the Twins/Rays game in Fort Meyers on Saturday, 8 year old girl sings the anthem. Nails it, she ought to be called up for World Series/Super bowl games.

posted by dviking at 11:58 PM on March 26, 2012

NFL suspends Sean Payton, fines Saints, takes draft picks, and more

In the earlier threads I was calling for serious punishment, and I would have to say that the league delivered. I'm actually a bit shocked at the year given to Payton.

The GM ought to have to start his suspension now, as waiting defeats a lot of the point.

posted by dviking at 08:25 PM on March 21, 2012

Entire Arena Football Team Cut Before Game

Seems like most have already decided to come back.

While I'm not a union lawyer, it would seem troublesome that everyone except the union rep would be offered a job.

posted by dviking at 12:45 PM on March 19, 2012

SportsFilter: The Sunday Huddle

If the Frozen Four was taking place during spring break perhaps I'd understand Tampa as the venue. As it is, I don't get it.

posted by dviking at 12:47 AM on March 19, 2012

'Where's Your Green Card?' Chanted at NCAA Tourney

Stupid chant by a handful of students.

That being said, I'd bet a majority of Americans wouldn't know that PR has full US citizen rights.

posted by dviking at 11:05 AM on March 17, 2012

Rams Trade #2 Overall Pick to Washington

Yes, this all brought the Hershel Walker fiasco/nightmare flashing back to my head. Though I bet the Redskins will actually try to utilize RG III.

Stupid trade for Washington, pretty great for st. Louis.

posted by dviking at 03:55 PM on March 11, 2012

Colts Will Release Peyton Manning Today

The press conference was just that, a press conference. Manning is smart enough to know that burning bridges, or airing grievances won't help his cause.

While I was really only joking about the Vikings. I'd love to see it.

posted by dviking at 03:55 PM on March 07, 2012

Colts Will Release Peyton Manning Today


posted by dviking at 10:36 AM on March 07, 2012

Worst to First: Ranking all 30 MLB Uniforms

I like Torii's rules, wish more people would follow them.

posted by dviking at 12:12 AM on March 07, 2012

Say it Ain'ts So

I love the game in spite of them, and every new story about a former player suffering from CTE makes it harder to rationalize my interest.

Absolutely, blaming the fans is a diversionary tactic.

I think Kyle Turley's point from yerfatma's link is valid. If Brees was fully aware that his team was violating league policy while he was sitting on the safety committee, he should be held accountable. Hard to justify the hypocrisy of his actions.

I doubt Payton will be fired, heck I doubt he'll even be fined as it looks like Williams is going to be the fall guy on this. Williams deserves any punishment he receives, I just think others should be held accountable as well.

posted by dviking at 04:57 PM on March 06, 2012

Say it Ain'ts So

I'd bet the offense has no such pool. If this practice has followed Coach Williams around, then the players doing the hitting probably think of it as a requirement to keep their job.

While it's hard to tell if the offense was involved in the pool at this point...what would stop a offensive lineman from purposely diving on the knee of an opponent that was already on the ground after a tackle...if they knew about the program and did nothing, they're a part of it. I find it almost impossible to believe they had no awareness.

As to others thinking it was a requirement to keep their jobs, really? I could believe some college kid thinking it was the only way to keep his scholarship under a ruthless coach, but not NFL players. They all know better, the league has rules that all have to sign, and clearly they had NFLPA reps in the locker room.

posted by dviking at 10:03 AM on March 03, 2012

Say it Ain'ts So

If this pans out as true I think pretty hefty fines/sanctions have to come down. That being said, I'm quite certain that whatever does come down won't be enough.

The Saints won a Super Bowl via this crap, and from what I've heard the head coach was very aware of the program. If hands are slapped, it will not be enough to stop future violations. If winning the Super Bowl is the payoff, and minor sanctions are the penalty, nothing changes. Giving up one 1st round pick does not stop it.

The hit on Favre alone is enough for this (biased) Viking fan to believe the hit-squad behavior occurred. The officials looked the other way then, I expect the league to do their best to look the other way now.

To Atheist's point, if players are going to willingly put "hits" on other players, with the goal being a cart-off, then yeah, I think it's hard for the players to act like the league "uses them up".

posted by dviking at 07:09 PM on March 02, 2012

Tiger Seal

JJ, you took "isn't that far from" to somehow mean "the same as", quite a stretch.

Clearly Tiger beats Romo 99% of the say never is not true as Tiger has had some melt down days where Romo might beat him. On most days Tiger beats Romo, but Romo has shown he has a respectable golf game. Tiger would be done in about three plays on a NFL field, and that's assuming he hands the ball off on the first two plays. Tiger would not be respectable on the field, not in any form of the word.

All that being said, the Romo/Tiger angle was never the point, which was that Tiger would not beat any of the athletes listed in any head to head competition other than driving golf balls. The way Tiger is playing right now, I'm guessing many of them could out putt him. Many athletes are scratch golfers, Tiger is not at that level at other sports, and he'd never out perform them at a combine type test.

posted by dviking at 10:51 AM on March 02, 2012

Tiger Seal

rcade, I never said Tiger had show cross sport excellence, but clearly just being a better golfer than Kobe Bryant doesn't make Tiger the better athlete. I used the term "any sort of athletic competition", which probably would have to have been "any sort of athletic competition other than hitting a golf ball" to satisfy your criteria.

Point is, all those other athletes I listed would kick his ass in any physical test. At his prime Tiger wouldn't be competitive in the weight room, the track...basically anywhere other than the driving range. Tony Romo isn't all that far from Tiger on the golf course, but Woods would get killed on a football field. Tony Romo is not the greatest athlete in the world, but by a sport against sport comparison he's way ahead of Tiger.

posted by dviking at 01:37 AM on March 02, 2012

Butt Ended

smoke 'em if you got 'em

posted by dviking at 12:27 AM on March 02, 2012

Tiger Seal

While I think Woods is certainly one of the most athletic golfers the world has ever known, I would think every NFL receiver, running back and defensive back, almost every NBA player (with the exception of some of the bigger guys), 3/4ths of the NHL and Soccer rosters would kick his ass in any sort of athletic competition. He might be competitive against the average MLB and NASCAR types. So, any talk of the his being the greatest athlete on the planet seems a bit hyped up.

As to Woods actually completing the SEAL training, seems like he'd be hard pressed to handle the teamwork aspect of it. Not exactly fitting to his personality profile.

posted by dviking at 09:54 PM on February 29, 2012

'These Kids Are Stealing Money by Being on Scholarship'

"my dad tells me I need to go to 'Shut-Up School' sometimes."

Love that line.

Especially given who it came from. If anybody needed to go to "Shut Up School" it was dad.

posted by dviking at 02:25 PM on February 27, 2012

Mickelson's Ball Ends Up in Fan's Shorts

The gesture was especially nice given that the spectator had not asked for anything, and had actually stepped away from Phil.

Great ending to the event yesterday, good for golf.

posted by dviking at 06:45 PM on February 20, 2012

Mickelson Erases 6-Shot Deficit in 6 Holes

The recent trend is that Phil owns Tiger in these final round match ups, however, I was still surprised to see the level at which this was true on Sunday. Phil excelled, Tiger fell apart.

posted by dviking at 11:35 AM on February 13, 2012

Economists Imagine the Death of Football

lbb, with you on that. Not only is the money fairly concentrated, it all comes from disposable income. If the NFL goes away the money people spend on it quickly goes, basketball, soccer, whatever.

And ends with easily written contracts that hold the owners not liable Beyond all the other responses, keep in mind that we're also talking about high school and college programs. There is no way a school could field a team if the liability coverage wasn't there. Manufacturers of equipment would be far less profitable and the entire process just wouldn't make fiscal sense. I'm not sure they can change the game enough to make it safe enough to avoid the problems

posted by dviking at 05:03 PM on February 11, 2012

Kurt Warner: Eli Manning's No Hall of Famer (Yet)

While not taking too much away from Rodgers' MVP award, I would like to point out that lackluster Matt Flynn led the Packers over a pretty good Lion's team in week 17. Threw for over 500 yards and 6 TD's, so maybe it was all about GB's team not the QB. Maybe Rodgers' season should be considered less impressive if we're going to nitpick Manning's season due to his supporting cast

QB's always get too much blame and/or credit. And, playoff games do count considerably more than regular season games, with Super Bowls counting way more. People talk about Super Bowl wins, not regular season records. A 9-7 season followed by a playoff run that wins the Super Bowl is huge. A 13-3 season followed by a one and out in the playoffs is quickly forgotten.

posted by dviking at 11:50 PM on February 08, 2012

Cat-Murdering Dog with Dorito's Wins Super Bowl Ad Meter

apoch, I must confess that I have no idea what one would spend their money on if doing business with GoDaddy, so I'll take your word for that.

The over-sexed performance probably isn't family friendly, but given that it was Madonna, one should have been aware that those outfits were likely. Far fewer were probably aware that MIA would most likely be flipping us the bird. I had no idea who she was prior to the show, so no, I wasn't expecting that.

My main point is that players are fined by the league for such behavior, and she's just another entertainer hired by the league, so she ought to be fined as well.

For the record, I wasn't overly upset over it as very few actually saw it live. Like the infamous wardrobe malfunction, most only saw it via countless TIVO replays.

posted by dviking at 05:53 PM on February 07, 2012

Golfer Stabbed with Broken Club During Course Melee

If the story is accurate, the course marshal told the foursome to let the threesome play through. That really should end the conversation as the marshal has control of the play on the course.

If there really wasn't a marshal involved, then the only reason to not let them play through is if you're right up against the group in front.

Some golfers feel that smaller groups do not have the standing to play through a foursome, which is the normal grouping on a course. It gets tiresome for foursomes if there are a lot of smaller groups on the course as they will play faster. Thus, the foursome is having to wait quite often as the other groups play through. I've played many courses where it is noted that twosomes are not to play through unless asked. And, most etiquette manuals stipulate that singles have no standing on the course. That really pisses that player off, but he does have the option of skipping a hole to go around a group if the course is wide open. Some books say to play through when there is an open hole ahead of the slower group, some say when there are two strokes open ahead, which is open to interpretation. Most often a par 3 hole is where the slower group can most easily pass. This is the marshal's primary responsibility, and if this course really had one I think he should have controlled this better. I have witnessed marshals that merely told the faster group "yeah, you ought to ask them to let you play through"., never saying anything to the slower group. A decent starter tries to eliminate this from the start, but probably can't eliminate it 100%.

I've seen arguments, never fights over this. Usually the worst that happens is the group that just got played through takes it as some sort of manly challenge to play faster and hit into the group that played through. Getting hit with a golf ball probably is better than getting stabbed, but not enjoyable.

posted by dviking at 05:37 PM on February 07, 2012

Cat-Murdering Dog with Dorito's Wins Super Bowl Ad Meter

Also, every player who says "fuck" in the vicinity of an on-field microphone

Difference between a player's cussing and an "entertainer" flipping off the crowd. Players are held accountable for that gesture, she ought to be as well.

So, you calm down. not that I was really all that upset, just want her to pay a price since a player would pay a price if they did that. Fair enough?

I really liked the Fiat ad. Sexy woman, neat new car, what's not to like?

Also thought the Audi vampire ad was well done.

GoDaddy needs to rethink how they spend their money.

posted by dviking at 11:15 PM on February 06, 2012

Cat-Murdering Dog with Dorito's Wins Super Bowl Ad Meter

The double standard issue was debated at the party I attended. Most could see the difference between a guy torturing real dogs, and a dog burying a make believe cat. That, and cats are pretty disposable pets to begin with.

rcade, I could not agree more on the new "Mickey" song.

MIA ought to be brought up on indecency charges. What the hell was that all about? Plenty of avenues for that loser to vent any frustrations she has with the world.

posted by dviking at 01:43 PM on February 06, 2012

Giants edge Patriots 21 to 17

Brady is still considered an elite QB, and when Eli's career in full is examined this game will most certainly count as a big win over an elite opponent.

Regardless of what Gisele's intent was, I'm a bit surprised she was even in the position to respond to a heckler. And, why incite a fan to begin with?

posted by dviking at 10:52 AM on February 06, 2012

Giants edge Patriots 21 to 17

As to the 12 men on the field penalty, don't the officials have the ability to call an illegal substitution penalty when more players come onto the field than leave? While they can't be expected to catch every violation, in a situation like the final seconds of a Super Bowl perhaps they should be.

Clearly the ref's ought to catch anything close to the Polish goal line.

As to Manning's standing among elite QB's, I would agree that one game doesn't decide his placing. However, at the end of one's career, Super Bowl wins are an impressive stat, and Super Bowl wins over another elite QB count even more. Regardless of where you rank him, I think you would have to agree that Eli improved his ranking considerably last night.

posted by dviking at 10:05 AM on February 06, 2012

Giants edge Patriots 21 to 17

How the Brady/Manning debate can revolve around the Welker/Manningham catches is very confusing to me.

Welker had beaten the coverage, was wide open and Brady over-threw him. Bad on Brady. Manningham was in tight double coverage, and Manning put the ball exactly where it had to be. Good on Manning.

Nowadays, the media landscape is too huge and granular for someone to hide in a small market

While you may be correct to a certain level, clearly the NY media landscape is far more stressful than markets like Indy, Minnesota, etc.. Your example of GB is unfair as their past makes for a tougher environment for QB's. Rodgers had far higher expectations to hit than Peyton did when he started in Indy. Having a family pedigree to live up to just heightened the bar Eli had to pass in order to be accepted. He has shouldered that weight well.

All year long, Welker catches balls thrown like that for him.

That sounds like a reason that Brady should not be considered elite...his receivers make great plays that make him look better.

posted by dviking at 09:29 AM on February 06, 2012

Giants edge Patriots 21 to 17

Why would Eli's status have to be determined by one game? And, especially, just this one game? Yes, it's the Super Bowl, but Eli's performance in the NFC title game was pretty solid as well. Might not be the flashiest QB, but clearly ranks in the elite category. Unless, only two QB's get to be in the elite category, but even then I don't think Bradshaw would be in my top 2 group

Bradshaw, Ahmad not Terry, had to score that TD, no way do you take a knee and go for three.

posted by dviking at 10:59 PM on February 05, 2012

Super Bowl Pick 'em

Giants by 9





posted by dviking at 04:05 PM on February 05, 2012

Les Miles Rips Recruit who Spurned LSU

Graduation rate does not equal excellent education..just sayin'

Back to Les Miles, no coach should ever rip a kid for his choice of which college to attend. No upside to it, and the down side is that you look like an ass.

posted by dviking at 03:05 AM on February 04, 2012

High School Player is 7-foot-5

The low number of blocks doesn't surprise me, who'd drive the lane on him???

The points and rebounds are what seems low to me. 23 points? He is only fed the ball 12 times??? 13.6 rebounds? He ought to get just about every missed shot.

For a tall 18 year old I thought he moved pretty well.

posted by dviking at 02:24 AM on February 03, 2012

Mom Climbs Rocks with Baby on Board

I knew 100 percent it was safe .

That statement proves that she has not thought it through completely. Taking the kid for a walk around the house is not 100% safe. Silly thing to say.

posted by dviking at 06:21 PM on February 01, 2012

Madden: Pro Bowl 'Embarrassment to Pro Football'

How about a skills competition, followed by a flag football game between the teams' cheerleaders.

I'd watch that.

posted by dviking at 08:48 PM on January 31, 2012

Florida Requires Pro Sports Teams to Take In Homeless

maybe the shelters could form teams...The Orlando Outcasts...The Tampa Tramps...

The Saturday morning shopping cart races might draw a decent crowd.

Seriously, if the law is there, enforce it. This does smack of grandstanding, which isn't too surprising in a year full of grandstanding.

posted by dviking at 11:22 PM on January 26, 2012

NFL Logos of the Non-Existent Past

The oars most certainly don't work for the Vikings

posted by dviking at 08:22 PM on January 25, 2012

Giants Sought to Give Kyle Williams Another Concussion

I think the problem is that you don't need to hit the player in the head to tackle him. In fact, that's probably a bad way to try and tackle a kick returner

My point exactly, they didn't go after his head. Silly what they said, but let's not over react to it.

Yeah, the second I posted the line about a target on his back, I knew it was trouble.

posted by dviking at 01:38 AM on January 25, 2012

Giants Sought to Give Kyle Williams Another Concussion

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy is a degenerative brain disease caused by multiple concussions.

me was joking, sorry

The issue is that two Giants players said they were targeting Williams because he suffered multiple concussions.

I hear you, but my point is that Williams had a target on his back regardless of his concussions. He's a return guy, they all are targets. The Giants did nothing on the field out of the ordinary. The talk afterwards was disturbing, but their actions on the field were not.

Your question about going to a format with less pads is interesting, I think it's a great idea for the high school level. Wonder if the NFL would ever adopt it. We lose a lot of people in the name of sports, we all bemoan it, then go right back to supporting it. maybe if people really did stop going the league would change.

posted by dviking at 08:34 PM on January 24, 2012

Giants Sought to Give Kyle Williams Another Concussion

The NFL will miss the fans it loses because of chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

I thought we were talking about concussions.

posted by dviking at 04:24 PM on January 24, 2012

Giants Sought to Give Kyle Williams Another Concussion

I think you're grasping at straws. The lack of an explicit "let's bust that concussion-prone guy IN THE HEAD" statement doesn't do much to take away from the clear impression to cause a head injury

Why do you think two different players mentioned Williams' concussions when describing how they targeted him during the game?

Personally, I think talk is cheap, and a couple of Giants spewed some garbage. Looking at the game, I don't see anyone head hunting, and there were plenty of chances for them to take his head off, if that was, in fact what they wanted to do.

Since Williams is a return guy, I fail to see why it would be the Giants' responsibility to somehow hit him in a way that would completely avoid contributing to his next concussion. Any block, or tackle, has the potential to cause a concussion. They did not hit him in the head, and really didn't put any out of the ordinary hits on him. If Williams, or the 49er's are worried about him, perhaps he shouldn't be put in that situation.

posted by dviking at 04:22 PM on January 24, 2012

Giants Sought to Give Kyle Williams Another Concussion

Let's see, I'll respond by quoting the article that littleLebowski just linked to.

Somebody spread the information about Williams' four concussions.

"The Giants likely were aware of Williams' concussion history from Williams himself. He had told reporters on Jan. 2 that he had had four concussions in his career, the last of which occurred Dec. 24 at Seattle" Beyond that injury updates are posted. They scrawl on ESPN, they're in the paper, and I'm sure players see fairly detailed reports as well.

Well, they admitted that they DID consciously decide to go after his head. Their lack of "execution" isn't a reprieve from despicable intent

"He's had a lot of concussions," Thomas told the Newark Star-Ledger. "We were just like, We gotta put a hit on that guy.'

I don't see the intent to hit him on his head, nor did I see that in the game.

In your last point you took my statement out of context. I said that special teams players always take some incredible hits, and that is most certainly part of the game.

I'm not taking a contrarian stance, just looking at what I saw from a realistic standpoint. Players have always targeted injuries, and I didn't see anyone target Williams' head. We can debate player safety and whether, or not, to curtail kick/punt coverage, but that is a different debate. The tweeting business is not related to the Giants' players.

Lastly, I believe, could be wrong here, that you are taking my comments as some sort of condoning of exploiting injuries. I never said that, I just stated that this is not new, and that I don't think the Giants targeted Williams' head.

posted by dviking at 02:06 PM on January 24, 2012

Penn State Coach Joe Paterno Dies

what lbb said.

posted by dviking at 12:41 PM on January 24, 2012

Giants Sought to Give Kyle Williams Another Concussion

Targeting injuries at the HS level is one thing, the NFL is another.

rcade, I think if they had decided to go after his head it would be one thing but I saw no evidence of that.

I doubt any coach specifically says "alright guys, here's the list of injuries we're going to target in today's game", but most players that sense a weakness are going to exploit it.

special teams players always take some incredible hits due to both players running at full speed at each other. The league tried to minimize the number of kick off returns, but unless you require fair catches for all kicks, this is part of the game.

posted by dviking at 12:38 PM on January 24, 2012

Penn State Coach Joe Paterno Dies

Not to change the subject back to the original thread, but the more thought I give this story, the less I care for Joe Paterno and his legacy.

While I never have been very fond of coaching longevity records, even a bad coach can reach some impressive numbers if they hang around forever, it is obvious to me that if Paterno had left when the rest of us have to retire he would have been long gone before this happened. Did his quest for that "winningest coach" record cloud his judgement, or did old age cloud his judgement? Not picking on senior citizens, I hope to be one someday, but clearly a man in his mid to late 70's might not be as focused on matters outside of his priorities as he would have earlier.

As with others that have fallen in disgrace, he was held up as the pinnacle, so he had a lot farther to fall. Sadly, not the only case of this we've seen in the past couple of years.

Sorry for the interruption, back to banning comments and psychoanalysis.

posted by dviking at 11:16 AM on January 24, 2012

Giants Sought to Give Kyle Williams Another Concussion

While bragging about it certainly is behavior that can not be condoned, it's not exactly new, or news, that players might target an opposing player's weakness.

I don't think we'd expect any player to go "oh, he has a sore right shoulder, I better only hit him on his left side". Yeah, the fact that it's concussions raises the bar, but the Giants said they wanted to put a hit on him, not hit him in the head. Were there any illegal helmet to helmet hits on him? Not that I saw.

As to the, I hate that method of communication...that's a completely different story, and people need to be held accountable for death threats. Some moron threatened his wife and children, that he's single with no kids just makes it odd. I do hope the police look into those matters.

posted by dviking at 10:59 AM on January 24, 2012

Giants, Patriots in Super Rematch

yes, I may have been wrong, but I didn't replay it multiple times. can you add a second to the start of that tape?

rcade, I wondered about the cheering/booing during the anthem as well, very poor taste.

Field goals are part of the game, if you don't want to lose on a last second field goal, stop the other team further away from your goal line, or block the kick. The kick that missed, and the kick that won, yesterday were both exciting plays.

posted by dviking at 08:29 PM on January 23, 2012

Giants, Patriots in Super Rematch

grum, I lip read that to be "I'm going to the fucking Super Bowl" was Weatherford the punter.

Weatherford has never been to the SB, Tynes has.

posted by dviking at 05:14 PM on January 23, 2012

Giants, Patriots in Super Rematch

scully and bperk, keep in mind that some of us are really questioning the coaching, not the kicker.

My question is why didn't they call a time out to let him get set?

As to kickers getting too much blame, the reverse is true as well, Tynes gets mobbed and carried off the field for kicking a pretty easy 31 yarder. Gotta take the bad with the good.

posted by dviking at 09:47 AM on January 23, 2012

Giants, Patriots in Super Rematch

As to the Ravens, was it just me, or did they mismanage their last two offensive drives?

While a kicker ought to be able to set up quickly, they had a time out left, why not call it and get settled?

posted by dviking at 11:19 PM on January 22, 2012