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April 24, 2006
The BMI is crap. Terrell Owens at 6'3" 226lbs is overweight.
posted by bperk at 02:25 PM on April 24, 2006
what are you talking about I'm a big cubs fan I keep advertising that on this site but Prior and Wood are both big guys and their injured right now hope they'll be back but you never know then again Bobby Jenks is big he's across town and he's fine Their are alot of big pitchers in baseball and they really know how to throw the heat
posted by luther70 at 02:33 PM on April 24, 2006
So this isn't about Ken Hill?
posted by yerfatma at 02:52 PM on April 24, 2006
The BMI is crap. Did you even bother to read the link? The article theorizes that a higher BMI has allowed pitchers to go farther into games.
As a group, the majors' 15 biggest big-bodied starters last year averaged 6.4 innings an outing, compared with the average of 5.99, and nine of the starters outperformed the majors' collective earned run average.
posted by lilnemo at 02:52 PM on April 24, 2006
Yes, but I think bperk is suggesting that BMI is not a good indicator of actual size - just size as it relates to the common man. It doesn't take into account relative training or body fat percentage. i.e. Roger Clemens and Sidney Ponson have similar BMIs, but no one is going to confuse the two in the shower; and that may help explain why one goes deeper into games than the other. In my case, the issue is somewhat similar - my BMI lists me as overweight - at 6"1" and 200, but fails to take into account my gym-perfected massiveness and general cut-itude. (crap - I just flexed my pipe and the resulting shockwave destroyed MY ENTIRE OFFICE.) However, I think the idea still stands: Big Pitchers don't seem to get injured as much with a few notable exceptions (Woods and Prior).
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:01 PM on April 24, 2006
what are you talking about I'm a big cubs fan I keep advertising that on this site but Prior and Wood are both big guys and their injured right now hope they'll be back but you never know then again Bobby Jenks is big he's across town and he's fine Their are alot of big pitchers in baseball and they really know how to throw the heat Wowzers. Jeepers. Shnikes even. Those dots after my words are punctuation. This was part of the contention when Pedro was in Boston. There was a lot of talk about his frame not being able to sustain and they often babied him because of that (and other issues). Last week after winning his 200th, I believe he made a comment about how people in the past didn't think he'd hold up.
posted by jerseygirl at 03:02 PM on April 24, 2006
Big Pitchers don't seem to get injured as much with a few notable exceptions (Woods and Prior). Wells? I know, he's getting up there in age. But for sake of comparison, is there a correlation at all? Was he hurt a lot when he was younger?
posted by jerseygirl at 03:04 PM on April 24, 2006
Last week after winning his 200th, I believe he made a comment about how people in the past didn't think he'd hold up. Yeah, something about only being a "6 inning pitcher", or something to that effect. I thought that was a shot at the Dodgers myself.
posted by lilnemo at 03:04 PM on April 24, 2006
Waitaminute. Did you really just invoke "Shnikes" just then?
posted by lilnemo at 03:06 PM on April 24, 2006
Did you even bother to read the link? The article theorizes that a higher BMI has allowed pitchers to go farther into games. Of course I read the article -- how else would I know that they were talking about BMI? The BMI is a very crude tool. You can be overweight if you sit on the couch and eat all day or if you go to the gym everyday and build lots of muscles. Applying the BMI and grouping pitchers who are fat with pitchers who have lots of muscles and theorizing that their bodies will react the same to the stresses of pitching makes no sense to me. On edit: What Weedy said.
posted by bperk at 03:07 PM on April 24, 2006
Woah, a double double. Applying the BMI and grouping pitchers who are fat with pitchers who have lots of muscles and theorizing that their bodies will react the same to the stresses of pitching makes no sense to me. Gotcha, and apologies for the snark.
posted by lilnemo at 03:11 PM on April 24, 2006
(changed HIll to Hill)
posted by justgary at 03:21 PM on April 24, 2006
Good article. I think BMI is crap as it doesn't take into account muscle mass. Of course their are exceptions on both sides of the ball Wood/Prior vs Maddux. G-Mad has missed what, 2 starts in his life and never been on the DL (sound of me knocking on wood). How about position players? Frank Thomas(big guy)-often injured Ken Griffey Jr.(little guy)-often injured early 90's Barry Bonds(little guy)-healthy mid 2000's Barry Bonds(big guy)-often injured
posted by timdawg at 03:21 PM on April 24, 2006
However, I think the idea still stands: Big Pitchers don't seem to get injured as much with a few notable exceptions (Woods and Prior). I don't think of Prior or Wood particularly fitting into the "big" category (Prior is just tall and muscular, while Wood strikes me as perhaps a bit beefier, but not Zambrano-level). Here's their info: Prior, at 6'5", 220 has a BMI of 26.1 ("overwieght" but not "obese") Wood, a 6'5", 225 has a BMI of 26.7 (same) On the more general point, I agree with bperk (as interpreted by Weedy) -- BMI is a very crude measure of whether one is overweight or obese. On preview (after a long absence) -- what others said.
posted by holden at 03:27 PM on April 24, 2006
BMI is a very crude measure of whether one is overweight or obese. Are you just saying that because your BMI's over 30? jk
posted by tron7 at 06:26 PM on April 24, 2006
BMI is a very crude measure of whether one is overweight or obese. I'm not fat, I'm just big-boned!!!
posted by wingnut4life at 07:58 PM on April 24, 2006
And I am not heavy for my height, just short for my weight.
posted by elovrich at 01:09 AM on April 25, 2006
The Royals sent Hernandez down because he couldn't go past the 5th inning, and wasn't trowing strikes. They claimed that his weight had a lot to do with this, but maybe he just sucks. On the other hand, when all you have to do all winter is stay in shape for that kind of money.......Just Do It!
posted by kcfan4life at 08:47 AM on April 25, 2006
HIll Should be Hill. PANTHEON hope me!