January 21, 2004

So long, EPL Fantasy League Week 22, and thanks for all the tampering (ahem). squealy's Ardley Athletic's 69 points win the week, extending squealy's January lead and adding pressure to the leaders in a tightening race in the overall table. If we're doing this Pantheon/N00b split at season's end, we'll have to watch the 20th-/21st-place safety line, where BillSaysThisScores! presently hang by a six-point thread above Nemo's Dreamers. (more inside)

posted by taupe to navel gazing at 05:49 PM - 34 comments

   Team   Manager   T   G   R   P 
 1  Bayern Mucus 03   Danny The Taupe   28   47   3,371   1,065 
 2  Kwacky's Kwitters   richard looker   25   51   4,990   1,051 
 3  Ardley Athletic   Squealy Neily   31   69   7,438   1,035 
 4  bluebears   andy griffiths   13   36   9,144   1,026 
 5  Crap City United   g s p m   12   48   11,535   1,015 
 6  Rings of Saturn   David Hansen   5   54   19,916   986 
 7  Cottage Cheesers   worldcup 2002   30   40   30,978   958 
 8  Deadly Calm   Big Calm   17   26   33,025   953 
 9  The Bog Bandits   Fat Buddha   28   42   34,033   951 
 10  37 Push Ups   Corpse R. Christ   1   61   34,165   950 
 11  Mossy Athletic   Emad Mostaque   19   26   35,684   947 
 12  Blammos!   Star Unsuitable   16   30   36,972   944 
 13  last again   eckeric eckeric   6   39   37,283   943 
 14  Bosiak Bashers   joe bieda   17   33   44,842   927 
 14  FC Cacahuate   skronk _   32   47   44,963   927 
 16  Terrapin Utd   Rick Scully   13   38   50,521   915 
 17  fascist bully boys   Ufez Jones   12   31   56,413   903 
 18  Finally   Mark D   13   31   56,937   902 
 19  vagabonds   christopher f   20   45   59,528   897 
 20  BillSaysThisSCORES!!   Bill Lazar   18   38   70,888   873 
 21  Nemo's Dreamers   lil nemo   14   38   73,672   867 
 22  cutters   mbd1 mbd1   15   33   74,122   866 
 23  Salmacis FC   Huw Morris   14   29   78,226   857 
 24  SilentInTheMorning   pful ler   2   33   82,074   848 
 25  Sporting Goats   Eliot Shepard   0   37   94,641   818 
 26  Generals F.C.   Noah Egorin   14   42   98,487   809 
 27  Atlanta Untitled   Tim Truxell   17   32   101,878   800 
 28  tallclay   Clay H   16   43   114,242   764 
 29  AVZ Thundering Herd   usf bull   7   40   118,317   751 
 30  Trendelmaniacs   t trendel   0   34   139,823   673 
   Team   Manager   T   G   R   P 
 1  Ardley Athletic   Squealy Neily   2   69   1,586   165 
 2  Rings of Saturn   David Hansen   0   54   10,371   151 
 3  Kwacky's Kwitters   richard looker   4   51   28,916   142 
 4  Crap City United   g s p m   1   48   33,539   140 
 5  37 Push Ups   Corpse R. Christ   0   61   34,434   139 
 6  tallclay   Clay H   0   43   47,100   135 
 7  Bosiak Bashers   joe bieda   0   33   50,710   134 
 8  FC Cacahuate   skronk _   2   47   69,353   130 
 9  vagabonds   christopher f   0   45   70,302   129 
 10  Nemo's Dreamers   lil nemo   0   38   92,748   124 
 10  The Bog Bandits   Fat Buddha   1   42   96,118   124 
 12  bluebears   andy griffiths   2   36   115,520   120 
 13  Bayern Mucus 03   Danny The Taupe   3   47   120,803   119 
 14  Atlanta Untitled   Tim Truxell   2   32   129,998   117 
 14  Cottage Cheesers   worldcup 2002   3   40   130,376   117 
 16  Generals F.C.   Noah Egorin   0   42   130,982   116 
 17  Terrapin Utd   Rick Scully   1   38   139,162   115 
 18  Deadly Calm   Big Calm   0   26   140,400   114 
 19  AVZ Thundering Herd   usf bull   0   40   145,229   113 
 19  last again   eckeric eckeric   1   39   148,650   113 
 21  SilentInTheMorning   pful ler   0   33   158,845   110 
 22  fascist bully boys   Ufez Jones   3   31   171,262   108 
 23  BillSaysThisSCORES!!   Bill Lazar   1   38   178,917   106 
 24  Mossy Athletic   Emad Mostaque   3   26   183,146   105 
 25  Finally   Mark D   0   31   200,476   99 
 26  Sporting Goats   Eliot Shepard   0   37   203,651   98 
 27  Trendelmaniacs   t trendel   0   34   206,504   97 
 28  cutters   mbd1 mbd1   2   33   211,248   96 
 29  Blammos!   Star Unsuitable   4   30   227,081   88 
 30  Salmacis FC   Huw Morris   6   29   232,309   84 
Not much to add except Dudek's back, Okocha and bunches of other players are in Tunisia for a while, and I'm obviously as aggravated as anyone that Liverpool blew it at the death today. Cost me eight freakin' points.

posted by taupe at 05:50 PM on January 21, 2004

I still think we should do a 15/15 split at the end of the season. The newbies can join the second league and make it bigger. That way, if no newbies join, we won't get a totally unbalanced 20/10 split. And it's ok if the secondary league is bigger. It's just like it is in the EPL (20 teams) vs First Division (24 teams). So, what's the cutoff? I say 15 up - 15 down. I'm just going by the numbers, so no disrespect meant to individual players. I'll be glad to drop down if I don't make that cut. I'm safe now, but only 31 pts and 8 places above #15. With about 15 more weeks to go, I think it's all still up for grabs!

posted by worldcup2002 at 06:09 PM on January 21, 2004

Nice one taupe. A sterling defensive performance by my boys and a gamble on Liverpool's two games in one gameweek paid off to an extent (it forced my hand knowing Giggs wasn't going to play against Wolves). Things were looking absolutely fandabidosee after Sunday but the performances in the games since were mediocre to say the least. I'm sure it'll all go pear-shaped sooner rather than later.

posted by squealy at 06:24 PM on January 21, 2004

Don't forget about the newbies, worldcup... We should probably have 20 for the first league, and the rest for the second... Thats 10 from this league plus newbies.

posted by StarFucker at 06:27 PM on January 21, 2004

They are still showing Saha with the white and black uniform, what's their problem?!?!?! Damn ManUre losing to Wolves and stoopid last minute tying goal today. If it weren't for my sprained thumb I would jam it in Fergie's... eye!

posted by billsaysthis at 06:40 PM on January 21, 2004

Could I be in the second league? Honestly, I haven't paid attention to this in weeks, I just set my lineup and reserves and hoped for the best. It was a lucky crapshoot.

posted by corpse at 06:43 PM on January 21, 2004

I like Grace Kelly...

posted by StarFucker at 06:53 PM on January 21, 2004

Grace Kelly? Huh? Wha? re: 15-15 (PantheonLeague-Demigod&NewbieLeague) split next season, as I've said before, Fooker, I'd much rather it be 15-15 and newbies can make it 15-50, I don't care. If no newbies show up, it'd still be 15-15. But I don't want to go 20-10, have no newbies show up and have it be that. Or maybe it just doesn't matter. C'mon, the rest of you, what do you think?

posted by worldcup2002 at 09:58 PM on January 21, 2004

Also, I nominate taupe to do the weekly updates for next year's Pantheon league. The 2nd division can have lilnemo. Hahahahahaha.

posted by worldcup2002 at 10:06 PM on January 21, 2004

Well, i say 20-whatever so that more people make it to the Premier League and that way it would be more realistic, maybe?

posted by StarFucker at 10:50 PM on January 21, 2004

realistic. fantasy league. two worlds collide!

posted by gspm at 01:24 AM on January 22, 2004

C'mon, the rest of you, what do you think? I think you already started another thread to discuss this "issue". I dub thee SpoFiCardoso.

posted by squealy at 02:34 AM on January 22, 2004

I didn't start this thread. It was mentioned here by taupe in his post. I continued it here because I figured the old post would disappear off the locker room main page soon. You're getting curmudgeonly in your old age. I dub thee Bulldog Brummy Bog Bandit.

posted by worldcup2002 at 09:51 AM on January 22, 2004

Fooker: OK 15-15, 20-10, 18-12, I don't care. Let's just get some agreement on the cutoff. 20's fine, if that's what most of us can agree on. Just don't come complaining to me when you only have 10 in one league and things seem a bit boring because there's not enough competition or whatever. Send complaints to: The Fooker, Chicago, Illinois, USA.

posted by worldcup2002 at 09:58 AM on January 22, 2004

I wasn't aware we'd actually agreed anything, let alone the minutiae of the idea. Why not save the discussion, and a vote maybe, until the close season?

posted by squealy at 11:28 AM on January 22, 2004

Well, then, we'd be moving the line endlessly wouldn't we. "Hey, it can't be 15-15! I'm #19! Let's make it 20-10!" This is starting to be less fun than it's worth. Let's just drop it so I can focus on kicking all of your asses. Two leagues or not, I'm gonna win this thing!

posted by worldcup2002 at 12:34 PM on January 22, 2004

If we agree that the next EPL league will be on the EPL site with two versions then we can kind of wait to see what the interest level is next year and make a split at that time by sending out the league pass codes to the people that are slotted into the various leagues. however, that removes the drama of the battle to avoid relegation but really, we can't make a final decision until the final numbers are in which won't be until the new season starts and what is that, August? But then we have season-long drama with any further SpoFi franchises shuffled into a third division for the following year. I dunno.

posted by gspm at 01:35 PM on January 22, 2004

Oh man! A third division!! I can only dream...

posted by StarFucker at 01:50 PM on January 22, 2004

I'm with you, Fooker. But it looks like it'll stay a dream if all the joyless wonders and pedantic wet blankets have their way. Perhaps we should just wait until the end of the season (like squealy said) and see if we want to split it. We may just do next season with everyone in one league, but with a clear upfront understanding that at the end of that season, there will be a split. A dichotomy. A division of the Eastern and Western Roman Empire. The SCHISM! But I can only dream. Meanwhile, I will continue my slow but inexorable climb to the pinnacle of this arbitrary undertaking.

posted by worldcup2002 at 04:53 PM on January 22, 2004

I would rather do the 15/15+ split. I say we do it after this season. If thats a problem with some people we should tally the pts from feb 1 til the end of the season and relegate according to pts in that period.

posted by etrader at 10:28 PM on January 22, 2004

I think I'm starting to like this etrader guy more and more. More than his buddy the Fooker.

posted by worldcup2002 at 12:05 AM on January 23, 2004

Why February 1st exactly etrader? Should my hard earned 1,035 points count for nothing? Oh and wc2002, asking for discussion on an issue and then dismissing those who raise doubts in such an off-hand manner is hardly helping your case. Unless of course you were joking.

posted by squealy at 02:34 AM on January 23, 2004

It's easy to raise doubts. How about coming up with ways to make things happen. Also, if you raise doubts, try not to undermine your own credibility. In the same thread, you say football is "marginalised" on SpoFi. In the next breath, you say you didn't invite more people to SpoFi because you thought we had enough people. What is it going to be? I've already responded to your concerns in the other thread. Go ahead and read it. Look, I can't control what you want to think, say, or what doubts you want to raise. Go ahead, raise your doubts. Just don't expect me to like everything you say. Also, when Ufez brings up stuff like "what if players in the other league score more points than the premier league" and asking why things are so "arbitrary", I think he totally misses the point. I mean, c'mon, this whole thing is arbitrary. We're already in a fantasy world playing with fantasy players getting arbitrary points for "performance" (I mean, how come some players get "bonus" pts?). I wasn't doing this to get less arbitrary, it was a totally arbitrary decision to split. I just thought it was more complexity in a make-believe world just for more fun. I mean, what's more arbitrary than thinking you can buy and sell players at the drop of a hat, or mixing players from different teams, etc. C'mon! I just get frustrated when something, to me, as simple and fun-hearted as this has all the fun analyzed out of it. It seems to me you're just looking to poke holes in the thing, and not credible at that. There are obvious issues about timing, the cutoff, communicating to others, newcomers, but these other arguments about arbitrariness and players scoring more points in parallel leagues are just ... beside the point. If you're going to take it that seriously, don't play! As Fooker says, it just PUMPS MY NADS!

posted by worldcup2002 at 01:28 PM on January 23, 2004

In further arbitrariness, I am also putting up one European swallow, one African swallow and a bag of elderberries as top prizes for both leagues.

posted by worldcup2002 at 01:52 PM on January 23, 2004

Are either of those swallows coconut laden as added incentive?

posted by trox at 02:58 PM on January 23, 2004

I am only offering unladen swallows. Coconuts are not within my budget.

posted by worldcup2002 at 03:08 PM on January 23, 2004

Hey, I can afford two coconuts, or I will be able to next year. So them birds be laden!

posted by billsaysthis at 04:04 PM on January 23, 2004

And BTW, WC, stop throwing your nads around in public--what will mini-WC think when he gets old enough to read comes here looking to see what Daddy said?

posted by billsaysthis at 04:05 PM on January 23, 2004

That just PUMPS MY NADS!

posted by worldcup2002 at 05:18 PM on January 23, 2004

It would, WC, it would. On a more serious note, can you guys think of anything worse GH could have said than that he 'is banking on a fit-again Michael Owen to turn the club's season around'?

posted by billsaysthis at 05:52 PM on January 23, 2004

How about this? DAILY MIRROR: Liverpool chief Rick Parry scored an embarrassing own goal last night when he told a fan that manager Gerard Houllier was not in the same class as Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger. Classic.

posted by StarFucker at 07:01 PM on January 23, 2004

You just hate those embarrasing own goals, don'tcha? I think I hear Martin O'Neill's agent pushing the buttons on his cell even now.

posted by billsaysthis at 08:51 PM on January 23, 2004

If you didn't want people criticising your idea you should have said so wc2002. As I said, I'm perfectly happy to participate whatever the structure, but that seems to have passed you by. Perhaps it was while you were distracted pumping your nads.

posted by squealy at 07:05 AM on January 24, 2004

Well done Squealy Looks like all those hours in the pub watching Sky Sports have finally paid off ;-)

posted by kWaCkY at 07:35 AM on January 24, 2004

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