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September 17, 2010
Will Auburn be investigated like USC?: "Let me tell you something, these agents are well known, and they've been giving kids money for 30 years, and I have no problem with it. Borrowing money from an agent ain't the same as a college paying you."
posted by Demophon to basketball at 01:37 PM - 9 comments
posted by tommybiden at 03:21 PM on September 17, 2010
SoL is a criminal statute + the NCAA is not a government body = SoL doesn't apply to NCAA. Which isn't to say that the NCAA may not have their own similar rules, I don't know. But the tone of Barkley's statements imply that the activity continues today, meaning that even if they do, the limit would not yet have been reached.
I thoroughly disagree with Sir Charles about this being no big thing. Would, say, a business or arts major with terrific career prospects but not a football or basketball team member get the same loan (amounts and terms) from the same people? I think not. If so, the loans easily violate NCAA regulations.
posted by billsaysthis at 03:52 PM on September 17, 2010
Business majors occassionally get signing bonuses prior to graduation, and I think that practice happens with graduate students frequently, so if other students get money up front from prosective employers maybe athletes should as well?
Regardless, Barkley is a tool.
posted by dviking at 06:27 PM on September 17, 2010
I thoroughly disagree with Sir Charles about this being no big thing. Would, say, a business or arts major with terrific career prospects but not a football or basketball team member get the same loan (amounts and terms) from the same people? I think not. If so, the loans easily violate NCAA regulations.
Business majors are also allowed to get jobs that pay cash. They can also get full academic scholarships while still having a job to make extra money. Tad bit different than college football.
posted by jmd82 at 07:47 PM on September 17, 2010
Also different that business and arts majors generally do not (with their teammates) generate millions in revenues for their schools.
Arts majors might go on to be, say, star actors or musicians, that was my point.
Also, scholarship athletes sign contracts agreeing to abide by NCAA regulations, other students don't.
posted by billsaysthis at 12:31 AM on September 18, 2010
The school doesn't benefit nearly as much as from the art student's work.
Besides, there's nothing stopping the Art major from putting his work up for sale in a gallery, for example, or the music major from being in a band. All activities that are permissible and beneficial for them as students (professionally and financially).
The same cannot be said of NCAA athletes.
The real problem with this system is that the NCAA's idea of amateurism is stuck in the 1900s and the big money sports (football and men's basketball) have blown past it. To fix the problem, they would have to agree that there is a problem, and they'd have to be willing to admit there is a two-tiered system-one set of rules for most athletes, and one set for the ones in the aforementioned sports.
On the discussion about a statute of limitations-I really hope the NCAA doesn't want to go back and start looking, like say through the 80s. That would be really ugly.
posted by Bonkers at 06:49 AM on September 18, 2010
the NCAA's idea of amateurism is stuck in the 1900s
ITYM '1870s'.
I really hope the NCAA doesn't want to go back and start looking, like say through the 80s.
But if a whole bunch of pros from the last 30 years were to come forward and say "yeah, we all got backhanders at college", then it would place the NCAA in a situation of either having to slash and burn the record books or declare a general amnesty and re-write the rules.
I have no patience with the puffed-up grandstanding on congressional committees, but there's a genuine basis for investigation: namely, the non-profit status for the various controlling institutions, and the amount of money bouncing around the big two college sports.
posted by etagloh at 11:51 AM on September 18, 2010
Isn't there a statue of limitations on these things?