- 03:14 AM
- 11/25/24
To explain something a little further that some people have a hard time grasping. If I choose to pray it is my choice. It is your choice to join or not too. I am not forcing my beliefs on you. I am not hurting you in anyway, you have your rights to what you want to do. Now as far as "And if I dump a bucket of hog guts over your head, that won't kill you either. So, I can do it, right?" that is different. You are forcing me into your activity. Your rights stop where mine start. That is what the Constitution is all about. That is what us Zealots are all about. If we are forcing you to join us in prayer then shame on us, but I have yet to see that happen. However we have been forced out of jobs and into silence because you "heathens" refuse to honor our rights to pray wether out loud, silent, in public, in private, or even in a group. As I said earlier, it is only a matter of time before the lawsuits begin to happen.
posted by go notre dame at 10:01 PM on October 12, 2005
Here is the thing, and this is something that will be making more and more news in the future, you heard it hear first. Christians, Muslims, Buddist, what ever are going to start suing for their right to pray. There have been so many lawsuits forbidding prayer in public that it is now discrimination against anyone who wants to pray. The constitution does not forbid prayer, it simply states that you are not allowed to force others to follow your religion. Once the constitution starts getting interprited that way watch out all you anti prayer people. The Puritans were run out of their country for beliving the way that they did. When given the oportunity to come to the New World they celebrated their new found freedom, but what did they do, they persecuted people that did not believe the same way that they did. Hence Seperation of State and Religion. The founding Fathers wanted the people to decide how they wanted to worship, if at all, not the government. We are a proud people. We like our freedoms, we like our idividuality, and when someone starts to take those away from us we are not afraid to answer the call to arms. We are in such a wash of political correctness that we are afraid to take a stand on anything. Now the few are going to rise and start doing that, and we will truly have freedom of tyranny, persecution, social injustices, and terror.
posted by go notre dame at 09:40 PM on October 12, 2005
Coach resigns after high school bans pregame prayer
Here is a big item that everyone seems to be missing completely. Prayer is not Government Sactioned or Denied. It is a personal choice. We go to the phrase "All men are created Equal...Certain unailable rights...you know the very items that this Country was founded on. It is not forceful, unlawful, or breaking anyones rights to ask someone to bow their head and close their eyes for a moment of silence. At this point one would pray silently if they would like. To continue further if someone were to say "We are going to gather for a team prayer, if you'd like to join fine, if not that is ok too." then at that point you can pray out loud to those who wish to attend. Keeping the references to a higher power keeps all religions happy, and you are not infringing on anyones rights to assemble, of prayer, or seperation of Church and State. If any of these items are wrong please let me know, but I thought we were a country that believed and strived for equality and peace. We the bible carrying Christians have just as much right to pray with our friends, co-workers, and students as much as you the non believers, closet Christians, Chreasters (Christmas and Easter believers only), and Sunday believers (people that go and worship then don't think about God again until Sunday again), have to get away from Prayer. If someone is having a prayer time and you don't feel comfortable with it then go. Get away until it is over and then rejoin the activity. We as Christians, we need to respect others rights to not be included in prayer. This is not watering down our faith or our beliefs, it is respecting other peoples decisions to believe in what they want to believe. If we want to gather for a time of prayer then it is our right and responsibility to gather those who wish to participate in a area that will not be construed as threatening, have our prayer, and then get back to doing what we were doing before. It comes down to common courtesy, common sense, common decency. I know that is asking a lot people. I mean for crying out loud we are talking about being nice and civil to each other. What is this world coming to?